A Breeder Steve Thread

Sdd420 · February 7, 2024, 5:58am

Basically a sfv back cross

Dirt_Wizard · February 7, 2024, 2:22pm

Yes, I posted those just above and posted that out of stock Love Candy to provide parental information on the seeds you bought.

jessethestoner · February 7, 2024, 7:27pm

Seems Breeder Steve is launching or involved with the launch of a new seedbank. Stars and Stripes Seed Co. (SSSC). Seems He will be launching several companies and continuing the Spice of Life Seeds company. Nothing is up on the site currently for SOL, but there are lisitngs elsewhere. Who knows, maybe we will be buying new blockhead bx’s soon.

https://www.instagram.com/starsandstripesseed
https://www.starsandstripesseed.com/
https://twitter.com/StarStripesSeed

SHSC-1 · February 7, 2024, 7:31pm

interesting… I was under the impression he was aiming to get into the Canadian licensed producer market but with a move like this … that’s obviously out of the cards for him.
Will see how this develops.
thx for posting this @jessethestoner

HolyAngel · February 7, 2024, 7:49pm

Interesting how he’d use a name with the same ‘sssc’ acronym. Super sativa seed club, the real sssc, has been around for almost a half century. Definitely gonna keep an eye out tho. Appreciate the heads up.

Dirt_Wizard · February 7, 2024, 8:07pm

Steve on the Future Cannabis Project vlog last year talking about his venture named Verosince, can’t find anything on the web about it yet.

Breeder Steve putting in work

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May 26, 2023

“Sterile” females? Talking parthenocarpy with one of the G.O.A.T.s. Get your notepad ready and be ready to learn something. apomixis is asexual reproduction without fertilization. parthenocarpy is the development of a fruit without prior fertilization. There are two kinds of parthenocarpy, namely, obligate and facultative parthenocarpy. The difference is that the former always produces seedless fruits, whereas the latter results in seedless fruits only when pollination is prevented, like when males are removed.

Transcript courtesy @mufafa and his transcription project:

github.com

muf4/canna-transcripts/blob/main/Future Cannabis Project/Future Cannabis Project_Breeder Steve - Breeding for Female Sterility_20200524.txt

to think the way I think of it is I've got this huge palette of colors to work from.
And it's the best palette of colors and I can draw on that to make any shade of anything. And
I don't feel limited to just pursuing two or three paths. I really like to keep the
keep the door wide open to what is required, what people want. And I think from a production point
of view, what people are going to want is going to be sterile versions of those plants. So
once you've got the plants you want, then you want to work on making sterile versions of them.
Because the sterile plants won't take seed. So if you want to grow a field with no seeds in it,
even if the neighbors have hemp all around, you need to have sterile plants. So that's going to be
the real one of the notable features of the current cannabis genetics renaissance. You're
seeing there's so many more people involved in cannabis genetics research now than ever was,
on a more professional level than there ever was. More academic level, let's say. You're going to
see a lot of advances from plants you don't need to trim, to plants that can't be seeded,
and plants that mites don't eat, plants that are very, very resistant to different fungal issues.
It's, I think we're going to see an enormous leap in cannabis genetics just in the next five years.
Like there's going to be more happening in cannabis genetics in the last five years than has ever
happened in cannabis genetics. You were talking sterile before, right?
The sterile plants that I'm referring to, that I've seen, and that I'm endeavoring to reliably
produce, right now I've only about 50% success rate, but I need them to be at 100. But those
plants have no pistils. They're female plants with no pistils. So you can smother them in pollen.
So they're barren, basically.

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HolyAngel · February 8, 2024, 3:00am

It’s actually ‘TrueSinse’ on his site:

but VeroSinse has a twitter ^^
https://twitter.com/VeroSinse

funkyfunk · February 8, 2024, 8:15am

Steve is talking about it a bit in the video posted by @amumayuk . Seems to be a procedure to apply to clones. I’m guessing chemical and/org hormonal reaction that prevent pistil formation. The recipe will probably leak eventually. Quite interesting for commercial crops of elite bagseed genetics

Kushking902 · February 8, 2024, 2:43pm

And we thought we seen genetic bottlenecking before wow. Set up with the lp’s in Canada I can only see that going one way

HolyAngel · February 8, 2024, 3:34pm

He’s got a rather extensive NDA agreement so would take a company breaking that to get it out. I thought he was doing it on clones but it also sounds like he takes the clones and makes a seedline to do the process, idk either way for sure

funkyfunk · February 8, 2024, 3:50pm

Don’t know much either, can only make hypothesis. But he states that you don’t have to hand him anything, he’ll just teach how to perform the process. So that put a bit of weight on the treatment hypothesis.

He said also he had the idea when he stumbled once again on a phenotype without pistils. It seems to happen from time to time and other growers are said to have observed that too. From the interview he seems to think other people will follow the same logical path than him and eventually figure out the recipe by themselves.

HolyAngel · February 8, 2024, 3:56pm

Well if it works on clone-only’s then it is most definitely some type of hormonal or chemical treatment. That exists already for other plant species. Sadly can’t find the full text of this article talking about it
https://www.nature.com/articles/170038a0

zezozose · February 8, 2024, 4:29pm

Thanks @HolyAngel for the link. Trying to find a full version of that 1952 article, I found this one from last year: Frontiers | Current insights and advances into plant male sterility: new precision breeding technology based on genome editing applications

funkyfunk · February 8, 2024, 4:38pm

Yeah, as he describes it it’s like really simple idea, just have to put things together. Which one, that’s the question.

Kushking902 · February 8, 2024, 4:46pm

Seedless water melons are made by creating a plant with an odd number of chromosomes like a triploid.
Not sure if it works the same way or if he came up with a chemical to somehow add an extra chromosome to the plant.

Here’s a clip of an article I seen about the water melons.

“Normal watermelons are “diploid”, which means they have two copies of each of their chromosomes in each cell (22 chromosomes in all).The cholchicine treatment creates a “tetraploid” watermelon with four copies of each chromosome (44 in each cell). Both diploid and tetraploid watermelons are reproductively stable, so you can propagate them separately and maintain them as true varieties.

Now comes the trick. When a tetraploid (4 chromosome) watermelon flower is pollinated with pollen from an ordinary diploid (2 chromosome) watermelon, the resulting seed will be a “triploid” plant with 3 chromosomes in each cell. Plants with odd numbers of chromosomes are sterile because the chromosomes have to match up in pairs during reproduction. That means triploid plants cannot make pollen or seeds.

So the pollinated tetraploid flower will grow into a watermelon with ordinary looking seeds, and each seed will contain a living baby plant that can grow. But the baby plants inside the seeds will be “mules”. When you plant those seeds they will grow into watermelon plants that cannot make their own seeds. Instead you will just see little white spots or gaps where the seeds should have been”

Wait I missed something. lol

“The cholchicine treatment creates a “tetraploid” watermelon with four copies of each chromosome (44 in each cell)”

HolyAngel · February 8, 2024, 5:55pm

Yeah that’s the common way that would work by breeding. But there should be a way to induce it in a single cultivar too, without needing to make triploids

Colchicine treatment was popular in the 80s and likely created at least a few of our modern cultivars. The variegation can come from it, for instance. There’s also talk of it massively increasing potency. But, ton of mutants and dead beans.

funkyfunk · February 8, 2024, 6:37pm

I doubt it’s colchicine, it’s been used enough it would have been found already. Maybe there’s something in there, but it’s too late here to read it now

HolyAngel · February 8, 2024, 6:42pm

Some type of gametocide(s) coupled with GA3 would be my guess

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1271/bbb.56.1619

misterD · February 24, 2024, 12:29am

Nice to see there’s still lover’s of steve works!

I put lot of energy by reproducing is old legend ultimate indica… and it’s true fire!

SHSC-1 · February 24, 2024, 12:47am

that’s cool to see the LUI still getting the love.
I’m playing with Dutchgrown’s LUI (ortega cut) x G13(pacific cut)