My bad, yeah jadam. Jadam wetting agent. It’s basically the same thing as safers soap. It suffocate pests, and is super cheap to make. You can also use it as a base of many other commercially available organic pest sprays.
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What do you guys look for in a male? Any signs this early, I mean, it doesn’t appear to be handling stresses very well, so it prob not a good breeding candidate and I might only really want to do fem seeds but that is obv way down the road, these were all supply to be fems so I wasn’t really planning on doing anything for this run, but if it’s special…
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There is normally some differences is what people think on that. Obviously you want something vigorous. A hollow stem is supposed to indicate more focus on thc and less focus on producing fibers. A stem rub could be a good indicator, but not foolproof. Trichomes on a male is a good thing also.
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Do people ever top/train or clone males?
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If you want to keep it around. I have clones of a couple males I’m holding right now.
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Do you clone them to keep getting pollen or more so cause you’re not sure if you want to keep them?
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There are a few people running purple Paonia paralyzer, and wanting pollen. I found a super stud male. I also haven’t had the opportunity to pollinate any myself, so I’m holding on, for now.
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hmm that male is really interesting. Which node was it at when it started the first pollen sack? Usually I have to wait for 5 nodes before sexing.
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That’s a male plant. And it’s auto-flowering, too. There’s no way only one day of a shortened light schedule would make it bust out like that. At least, I don’t think it would. I’d trash that plant for sure.
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So it’s kind of funny, while I have read random detailed maybe more advanced stuff, I’ll still be ignorant in some of the basics lol
I’m not 100% how you start counting nodes, so either going by the picture, it would seem more 4 and 5(if you count that top bulb as another node). OR if you start at the cotyledons then it’s 5 and 6. OR if you start after those two single leaves, then I guess it would be 3 & 4. 
@minitiger i don’t know if it’s an auto flower, I mean maybe, that’s not necessarily a bad call seeing how fast it grew, but maybe something about my mixture of lights off hours, specific environment and/or stresses it was having prior set it off…
I looked close at it and it seems that maybe it’s already starting to reveg?
It appears some lil leaves are already starting to come out of that bulbous area, so I really don’t know.
I think I’m gonna hold on to it till I read a bit more about it… I heard sometimes it’s the weird ones that you actually want to keep!
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Day 6 veg (second update)
Gonna try to keep this short. Added that extra water earlier to the SS and foliar watering to all the number 1s just for shits to see if it did anything.
Raised the lights maybe 4”? And raised the intensity (end of day). They were prob 200ppfd and now around 240ppfd? The male at its peak is prob getting 300ppfd.
Took more weight measurements and almost all are now between 150-160gm, so I think I’ll do a 5% (20ml) pure watering tmr.
This water I don’t imagine lasting too long which while annoying prob a lil better for the plants… after that I think I’ll give them some fermented comfrey juice a day or two later:
UK: 183.6gm(previous day) - 170.9gm(now) = 12.5gm evaporated/drank
UK2: 170.8gm - 159.1gm = 11.7gm
BB: 171.2gm - 158.1gm = 13.1gm
BB2: 162gm - 150.3gm = 11.7gm
SS: 153.6gm - 144gm(1/3day) = 9.6gm
Now after watering and 2/3day it’s 151.1gm
SS2: 166.7gm - 156.8gm = 9.9gm
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heh heh I never count the cots, because no branches grow from that area. I do find it incredibly interesting it showed sex like that after some light funkyness.
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I mean I assume that’s what did it but maybe it was a combination of things?
That is a male autoflowering plant. Chuck it. As for what you think you are seeing at the nodes, they are not showing sex. Those are the start of your branches.
As for Ca, even in a living soil, in containers under 10 gallons you will need to supplement calcium on alot of varieties. In those small containers you are going to need to supplement alot honestly. For Ca, oyster shell flour is where its at. It is almost pure calcium carbonate. It is almost completely water soluble if ground fine enough.
Your plants do not show any signs of needing additional calcium right now.
I am seeing alot of bad advice on this thread, and I think between you being new to growing and over thinking everything, along with some of this advice, and the size of your containers that you expect to take from seed to harvest, you have a recipe for disaster on your hands.
I would by all means try and finish this run out, but meanwhile, I would start figuring out how to get more soil volume in your grow.
Small containers can grow huge plants in a synthetic / salt based grow, but in organics, your plant size / yield is all 100% relevant to the size of your container.
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Thanks @SubSoilSelections I know you know your stuff 
I mentioned earlier that I’ll be transplanting into 3/4 filled 1 gallons, this will be happening shortly although I’m not exactly personally ready for it lol:
Also, I didn’t say my plants at this time needed Ca, just that they might in flower in general… I have oyster shell flour from BAS and will want to try using that with the KNF WSC recipe a lil later down the road.
Good to know about the nodes… so once those grow out, any growth after that at those specific nodes (not talking about out on the branches), would that be the “suckers”?
Ps I take a lot of stuff with a grain and still like to hear what some people think even if I’ve heard different you know
I def could have disaster on my hands for a ton of reasons as I mentioned in the OP… still want to hear and appreciate your advice on anything 
These transplants are going to be interesting, stayed tuned for the experiments 
I may already have a regret about the coffee filter double pot setup I did, and I also have another idea for the next sowings…
So nothing special about that male and not worth keeping huh? You guys are probably right, I might keep it for a week or two and see if anything unique develops or if anyone else wants to weigh in.
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After re reading my previous post, the recipe for disaster comment may have come across wrong.
I was more trying to prepare you for the reality that your plants more than likely will not make it through a cycle in those containers, and that as some others here have said, the whole LITFA idea is valid here.
It is good to hear you will be transplanting, however only going to 1 gals is still going to require supplementing with teas and or foliars.
As for the male, I see no reason why you should even be considering keeping it around. It is an autoflower, which means it will be dropping pollen in the coming days. Seeing as you have no females to pollinate yet, and you cannot keep a clone or reveg, what would the point be?
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So LIFTA til they overcome whatever issues they may have, then give them teas/foliars? Am I understanding that correctly?
Can I still transplant with LIFTA or should I wait?
So, I think maybe the small containers and micro growing might be more applicable to autos but I want photos for now assuming most photos might outperform autos in terpenes/thc? I know autos have come a long way tho… so yeah, def gonna have to feed a lot and flip early-ish, hoping to be able to maintain mothers in 1 gal or 1/2 filled 5 gal pots and flip clones as fast as possible sort of a SOG approach.
So you think there is no chance that male is a photo that got tricked into showing?
I don’t have anything to pollinate now, but maybe I could save the pollen?
I’d hate to cull it and then have someone come in here and say, wow that male had something special about it lol
I don’t know squat about them really
I also would suggest transitioning over to fabric pots when transplanting. Living soil grows are much more manageable for newbies as far as over watering is concerned, and they flat out spank plastic containers in terms of root development. They are nearly impossible to over water.
Check out grassroots brand. They contain a membrane that prevents the sides of the pot from forming a “crust layer” due to the constant airflow.
I think this would solve all of your watering issues.
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I have some fabric pots and am going to make a similar setup to the ones that Grassroots sells with the plastic liner… only reason I didn’t buy from them is cause at the time it was a six week lead time unfortunately.
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