Like many others here I’m very grateful for the work done by @LemonadeJoe and the moderators. The work you do here for free has given us a safe place to bond over the plant we all love(and whatever else you want if you take it to pm).
One thing I haven’t seen addressed yet is the attacks on people who flag posts for moderation. Calling them names like “sissy” “bitch” etc only serves to lower our level of discourse. Calling for them to be exposed so that you can attack them is even more reprehensible. I see it all the time when a controversial opinion gets flagged and personally I think this should be addressed more strictly. People that flag posts are simply bringing things to the moderators attention, if the mods have a problem with it then that the OP’s problem.
Attacking and name calling people who flag posts is simply an attempt to intimidate and I think it is very harmful to our community and should be stopped with bans if necessary.
I think it’s fair to say that when the moderators or Joe step in and remove posts or close threads because they’ve delved into politics it isn’t simply topics of disagreement/controversy that are still about cannabis, but out and out statements of people’s political views.
I happen to grow based on what social/political views I might hear a breeder has. Don’t want that bad juju.
So just outside of myself thinking. I don’t want this place to be me or anyone else avoiding beans from people. Just shuuuuush. Weed. Like socialite soap opera up in here not about the plant. Nah
Plenty of spaces to argue about everything on the internet. Having a a space that offers an escape from the usual is a a nice take. I love offensive memes and debating politics but I’ve got my “go to” spots for that. Some structure is good sometimes. The free speech argument is a moot point because there are many places to discuss off topic nonsense all over the internet that people are free to choose to use. After the last 3 years of opinionated people debating everything, everywhere, I’m completely fine using a forum that tunes all of that out and creates a dedicated space for cannabis discussion. A little self restraint on the ego could do a lot of good anyhow.
TBH I have decided not to pay retail for beans from people based on their stated points of view before. Obviously they’re 100% welcome to their views, and I am welcome to not doing business with them because of their point of view. It’s the price you pay sometimes when you express your personal views through the megaphone of your business.
Interesting view points. Ive actually seen some posts that are kind of offensive around this site, aswell as threads that could be argued arnt cannabis related. But they dont get censored flagged or closed. We all have different view points and see the world different, so others could see things completely differently. Maybe sometimes it would be wise to be tactful. Maybe it would have been a good idea for example if a valued long serving member did something that the site managers didnt agree with to have a bit of a private discussion before shutting something completely down. Even in this thread I see that a split has been created, and their are many posts that someone could find offensive, that could of been reduced majorly. No one is perfect and we all continue to learn and improve everyday.
With all the posts in a given day I think the mods miss a lot and rely on users to flag posts. Admittedly I sometimes see things that violate the rules and don’t do anything about it. From what I’ve seen mods usually try a soft approach but in a number of threads people seem to see nothing being done about political statements, etc, and go whole hog… and then the thread gets closed temporarily while the mods do clean up.
fair point, i think it is easier to quantify something like the immediate effect divisive discourse has on user engagement than the long term effects though. it would be very hard to get a neutral view of the effects over time, but you can clearly see user complaints and engagement in real time making it the only way to measure success.
politics and climate have become such black and white issues i think moderating those is going to be such a burden for people who im guessing dont get paid for their time. but for example, discussing which plastics can be recycled/reused, better methods for composting, shading crops etc under the umbrella of dealing with climate change is not divisive, someone would have to be seriously trolling to jump in and inject politics into that.
This place is about growing not about politics. I just burnt my breakfast sausage it made me so angry. Someone has always got something smart ass to say. Gas is expensive because of this person in this person in this person fuck all of them.
The moderators aren’t taking a political stance when they issue a warning or close a thread, they’re making a prediction. They’re predicting a lot of hard feelings and animosity if they let it continue. It’s really just a matter of professional etiquette and empathy. Try to imagine how someone who doesn’t share your point of view might feel when you post something. We are all guilty of it.
In terms of free speech, this is a privately owned business and if you live in the states, you’ve seen this many times:
We have to have moderators. Yes we do.! We’re too diverse. We have too many opinions. We’re not even from the same part of the world. Something you could say to me may not be an insult in your country. But in mine, it is. Any other platform that I go to even on discord you do not talk about politics and religion.
It is best to keep politics, religion for private messaging. You don’t even have to let anyone see that you’re here. You can get your little group together. No one has to hear it.
I have had a few topics that I have had to stop because of stuff like that. I have had to private message people to remove their political statements on my grow sites. As much as a humble myself down every day to be happy. I see stuff on here and I believe it’s the same ones all the time. They get banned. They’ll change their name. But that does not change their attitude. I know who they are. I see them come back around. They try to change the pictures up a little bit, but they always mess up. My English is very bad. But I pay very close attention to everybody else. I’m usually high.Or on something to keep me in the middle of the road.
I think anyone that was on the old OG knows what an absolute shite show a free for all can turn into in regards to open topics. It was almost to the point you could not have valid open conversations at times. I do truly value the @moderators and @admins as I have been witness several times to lunacy or just complete breakdowns etc. as well as trolling and such and 9/10 it’s quashed rather quickly, I don’t know how it would be possible to allow such topics without all out wars and such in todays society. Sad but true
No place I’d go under any circumstances. So then that’s just your point of view which you assume that’s how it should be to everyone and if you can slip it in a post you’re doing exactly what people want to avoid.
That might be why it might be hard for you to become a member for comments like that. This is more than about politics. Now this is about trust levels. How can I trust you if you have different political stance do not have how can I trust you with my information or my mailing information if you have different political stance. The best thing is to do to believe in God and keep your mouth shut.
That sucks - if they are overdone only on the one side the trick is to nibble off the burnt bits before plating them for breakfast. If there are more people involved make certain to set the nibbled side down so they are none the wiser. Viola!
