It was not aimed towards you. It was aimed towards the constant consensus of this discussion which have been taking place for as along as haze threads have existed and it never ever leads to something constructive, only a negative energy and in long term, the destruction of something great.
Pz 
TH never got buckled down by lineage, his argument was always the power of the smoke. But that and maybe him ducking helicopters for half a century are why he’s considered the authoritative source on the information.
He’s never cared about rumors only about the potency. And the one you seek in his beans is like blow you hair back shit.
The rest imo is people looking to seem special online.
No, it’s in general, people are divided based on what breeders say, but if FOR EXAMPLE I were a respected and talented breeder, and I said that purple sativas suck, a lot of people might think that’s the case. really, it’s just a personal point of view…
Over the years I have read a lot of times that pure Ohz is weak and only gives its best in hybrids, but in recent years we have seen that this is not exactly the case…
all good, didn’t take your post as something negative towards me but of course my answer could be read as something defensive, I write with a smile on my face and it may not always shine through in text. Think in this case we agree guess I am just suffering PTSD from participating and reading haze threads too long hehe. I just wanted to point out that I agree with your stance that we should all find the ones we like and grow and spread them as we like. Let’s celebrate hehe!
And with this I mean no disrespect to the real breeders
I totally agree with you… lol… this is weird for a haze thread with so much agreeing the last few posts hahaha
Yes, if you don’t follow the breeders directions to select only the best 5% of his open pollination, it is a crime to share your clone and call it by the breeders name.
He said clearly that 95% are hay and repeated it many times.
“Never cared for the breeder tag, I’m a grower sharing my gear”
Since this I have been keeping an eye on the way breeders talk and it’s interesting how few share his mentality.
Back to the Thai hunting.
You’re gonna need to quote him on that cuz the man has told me my weed was weak many times compared to his but not “hay”
Haha, yeah. Maybe we can turn this ship around and become the best(read, most constructive) haze thread on the entire Internet 
I hope we can turn more people into haze heads that don’t sit in one breeders corner, but instead look at the whole range and explore things by themselves.
What interest me is that I’ve started to see a lot of Haze #19 crosses, but where can one find a reproduction of this cultivar?
Pz
He has repeated it many times recently. But many years ago he wrote this "5% are absolutely outstanding, representing well this reputation/legend of the Haze high. There is some full-on hay in there too, I don’t know, I guess I’d say that 10-20% piss me off as a waste of time?"**
I could see him saying a quarter or less are hay for sure. Easy to see where he could branch from that into a semi-rant like he does. All I’m saying is deep down i think many know what he means is he can’t seem to isolate the keeper and it both pisses him off and intrigues him more.
^ that is why I say it would feel like a crime to sell the cut.
hell no man, overgrow the world! Some people don’t want to grow 100 plants to find 5 they want to keep, most can’t. I say leave the “thrill of the chase” to the thrill seekers
well we might not get there but as they say, aim for the stars and you may land on the moon lol…
I don’t know much about Haze 19 so I can’t be of much help at all.
I agree that we should turn more people on to Haze as it definitely would benefit all if more people grew it. I also agree that there’s a range, as with all seed varieties sometimes it’s forgotten that there’s lots of things in time not just this one cut. The more one look the more different stuff can be found. This is why I am so OCD about being as precise as one can be when talking about it so it is clear what is meant. Some people talk about a seed variety from the narrow perspective of one or a few female cuts. It taste like this, it smokes like this etc. when it is a cultivar and not a variety they are talking about but they have only seen a few females of a variety so they think the entire variety, every seed, will be that thing. You are right with haze as with other varieties there is diversity. We can talk in general terms about it but also we need to keep in mind that diversity in expression. That is also what makes cannabis fun, to be able to find new exiting things that are within that range of things one is looking for.
My point is just that this breed/pheno seems particularly hard to isolate so the one working it deserves some respect. And this may be the last hustle where respect has value. But yea it’s not friendly to one buying the beans.
It’s a misunderstanding to think 95% of all Haze plants will be horrible smoke. It’s not true at all. Probably 80% are something most people would love have in their jar. It’s just that there are standouts from the rest as far as smell and resin quality. And there’s a small percentage of what people call hay but the majority will be awesome smoke. A lot of the bad Haze reports are either from limited selection and or unsuccessful grow attempts indoors.
all the more reason to share some clones
And who might that be? Afaia tom et. al. have been reproing haze (which is cool don’t get me twisted), not breeding it in a particular direction ex to improve the odds of killer keepers. In any case, growing 100 plants to find the 1-5 killer keepers, turning them into mother plants and distributing the clones sounds like plenty of work to me 
There is a huge difference in a plant that smokes okay to a plant that is exceptional.
No hybrid is going to give you 80% good plants less of Haze.
Really it all comes down to preference. My favorite Haze is purple. It may not have as much resin as the green but the high is perfect for my head.
I thought it all came down to the strength of the high.
Tom his self clearly says most are hay.