What’s ONH? Neville’s Haze?
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it is original haze x nevilles haze from Todd.
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Which means it has a little bit of Northern Lights in it, I believe, so not a pure sativa haze.
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Right. Original Neville’s Haze has some NL5 in there.
And the (OHxONH) mom of these crosses leans heavy to the NL, and finishes in 10 weeks (instead of 14, like her sister did)
So, these (OHxONH)xGoji have some haze in them… but they are barely a haze. More like a real nice sativa leaning hybrid.
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At one point, it can be nice to give a grid of understanding of the term Haze along all sensibilities animating this post. Because it often become contradictory, and sometimes irrational too. Not so to impose a magical arbitrary consensus, but more to relate it with a specific point of view.
It’s not sarcastic, but a real curiosity from someone pretty much “laid back” with the term.
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So this thread is Haze only, but if we are really honest how many of us actually have the space, time and skill to grow pure Haze inside to its potential? So it makes sense to talk haze hybrids in this thread as that’s the likely thing most of us will grow. That being said when I see a “Haze” that’s actually only 25% Haze genetics I do think it’s less relevant here in this thread. For me personally I would like to see post’s here with at least around 50% Haze genetics to keep the thread relevant.
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Thanks for that info. Hard to find any at all. Sounds like there must be different Panamanian strains then. The original local longflower that flowers over 20 weeks, and also a hybrid with this original Panama, called Panama Red, with a somewhat shorter flowering time and chunkier buds, possibly made by the US government in the 20’s. Similar to Colombian in that regard.
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Sure does look Indian.
I think they must have grown g13 at a few universities. Up here in NY, I grew up hearing about how g13 cuttings were stolen from Cornell University. My buddies brother grew something from there and it was called g13. The plants got huge in the cornfields along the Schoharie Creek near Central Bridge.Purple, 20 feet, with leg size top buds. Feds got his plants around the year 2000. That was the last of it.
As far as haze goes, I never saw it up by me.
It was a city strain called NY piff, that went for $80/ eighth 20 years ago. I was told it was top notch smoke.
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Ill echo that ! Looks wonderful
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right, and when you read/believe story about haze Nevil used in his hybrids, he got omega female and he said it was maximally 25% haze and some indica in it, so question is if he got pure haze at all.
I planted the rest of the old seeds. One came out. O for Omega. It was a 1970 seed. I suspected that it was only 25% Haze with one parent being Indica. It too did not really pan out.
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that is what I tried to tell you… many red sativas over the region, and you can call them red, as they are red and when they are from Panama, you can call them panama red.
but Panama Red variety that made that name famous in 70s was hybrid.
cannabiogen Punto Rojo is also red, but is it famous Punto Rojo from 70s and 80s? not at all… it is not trippy like that old one. it is some modern red sativa from Colombia they call punto rojo…
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It’s always kind of grabbed my attention to think of all the changes legalization has caused with strains. I feel like once it was legal, everybody was trying to make something new. Not everybody could sell the same plant for the same cost. Breeders had to start crossing stuff to make new hybrids.
I wonder if somewhere along the line it became obvious that breeding for more trichomes was what sold. It was a visual cue that the stuff was strong, or at least looked strong. It just took the whole thing away from the roots.
I tried growing long flowering sativas. It’s always hard to trust who you got seeds from, whether or not they’re actually what they say. I grew Thai Stick. I really feel like it didn’t have a flowering limit. It seemed like it just kept growing the longer I kept it in there. I took it 6 months of flowering before I finally pulled it. It was underwhelming. Wasn’t strong, didn’t really have much of a heady affect.
Some of these hazes look really close to how that thai stick grows. There’s two phenotypes within the progeny really. One of which grows relatively chunky and fast when the other one is the typical long flowering sativa.
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@Purple You have to take into account that most landraces or outdoor cultivars doesn’t want to play nice indoor. Even if you go outside you kinda need the same micro climate that you locally got in Thailand to being able to get that perfect result.
One example of this is Thaifune from a Swiss breeder. It’s 100% pure Thai, but finishes in around 9 weeks and the effect is absolutely horrible. Low chemovar numbers, flimsy stems, whispy buds, low trich count. This is what happens when you take something out of its perfect environment, especially if it’s highly specialised to that environment.
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This plant came out looking like a haze.
I chucked some pollen and created this crazy lady.
F- Red Thai x Assam Hashplant
M- Durban x Congo/Transkei
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In my experience it’s harder to find a good pure sativa indoors starting from seed. If you can get a good cut proven indoors that’s your best chance to get something besides hay. Outdoor and greenhouse is where sativas shine. First you need the space to sort through lots of big plants. And to make it even harder most pure sativa lines seem to have more variation in genetic expression. They tend to have more unstable THC vs CBD/CBG phenotypes. Probably because of the lack of selective indoor breeding from these older mostly outdoor sativas. Most people don’t like to spend 6 months of electricity bills and tons of work to harvest schwag.
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I scored some G13 many years ago in Portland, Oregon. Damn… Excellent smoke with quite the couchlock. Up to that point, my experiences with cannabis (with only a few exceptions) had been with sativas. I did manage to get a hold of some black Afghan that was exceptionally difficult to roll into a joint, and even more difficult to keep lit. G13 is one of my all-time favorites.
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I’m not so sure of this…i think it may have been, or may not have been. When I think hybrid, I’m thinking modern…not long ago. A 100 year old inbred hybrid is to me an heirloom. I think it’s like lots of the other sativas that were hybridized by the late 70’s, but earlier were pure and different, and depending on which batch/ year somebody got the weed, they would have different experiences than someone else… I have some 1971 panama red going now and it does flower long like a pure sativa should. 18-20 weeks, but it was called Panama Red for sure…as seed came out of a Panama Red brick.
This is why I’m thinking the Colombian Reds and Panama Red are the same strain from a different locale. Similar effects and flowering times, and no border to impede movement of the strain.
Panama was a part of Colombia until 1903, and that makes it extremely likely they are related.
I think all the worlds Red varieties are related, in fact. You can trace a path around the world from Southeast Asian Cambodian Red/ Red Thai, to South African Swazi Red, to Africa’s West coast as Angola Red, over to Brazil as Aracaju( brain fart here. Maybe someone knows the correct spelling?)
Red, into Paraguay and to Colombia as Colombian Red and / or Punto Rojo, thru Panama , a part of Colombia at the time, and finally ending up in Mexico where it is known as Mexican red hair. You can literally trace the path around the world and back it up with historical trading and shipping routes. There used to be a guy here( @Who)on overgrow that worked for the coast guard confiscating weed in panama. That was in 79 and he swears the buds were rock hard and Red. This was the hybrid imo, and is the one you are talking about. What I am growing was also called Panama Red, but is long flowering at 18-20 weeks and is all Sativa.
I wouldn’t doubt that there were several strains called Panama Red, and that’s why the experiences of the tokers are so different from one another. Those that smoked it in the late seventies remember a stony, dreamy smoke while those stories from the early seventies speak of an energetic speed weed, the one I’ve been seeking since I was 20, so 30 years. I think I may have found it…This one also has chunky buds too, I’d assume from the breeding work done By Parke Davis in Colombia, Or perhaps a result of hybridization by them with something Southeast Asian in the 20’s. Hard to say.
Then there is that story of the US military in Panama in the 70’s. but I would have to see that article with my own eyes to believe it, because I did read an article that makes no mention of us actually cultivating it, just testing smokers. It seems like they would have mentioned cultivation, if only in passing. Anyone have a link?
Back when I bought the Ace Panama I didn’t know anything about landraces. I was just learning. Wasted lots of dough. Wouldn’t happen today lol.
It’s so confusing.
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Well 92 days here and I figured 100 but looks like it may be another two weeks more than that for about 14-16 weeks. I really hope this Bandaid 7 and Cuban are worth the wait. Thankfully the Canatrol will greatly reduce dry and cure time.
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Well, I’ve tried and tried to send cash off for Tom’s Posi haze seeds and my envelopes keep getting pinched. Wish there was an easier way. I’d be superfly pissed except my outdoor garden is blowing up and the bugs can suck it.
Here’s the last of my old Tom Posi Haze seed stash. Pretty sure three are females and I’m afraid the fourth is as well, so no bastard seed run if I can’t get the man’s new beans. The three clipped are pretty much guaranteed ladies. Can anyone spot the one I’m most interested in?
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