So, thank you for all this notation clarification and on a different topic, then what ground do BX F2’s stand on stability wise when it comes to being an inbred line?
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Ah OK that makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
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It’s the opportunity to highlight many traps and also eventual frustrations, to dodge ^^
For such considerations there is an important point to clarify, the difference between a genetic uniformity and a genetic stability. It’s not as picky-silly that it appear, and it’s where the trap is hiding.
Both states aren’t antagonists and are more made from degrees than from an on/off status. But let’s roll one cone of SD ^^ Holly shit it’s not easy to shoot something purely practical on this.
Yeah, i think the best first mark to integrate is the heteroris with the F1s. It’s a secure constant demonstration of what is uniformity, even with unstable lines.
Stability really mean a deep work to lock the expressions in a very narrowed panel, under an uniform shape. Better to outcross a ref with such line for a BX, for the ease of reading and selection.
The wilder ride you can set for a BX ^^
It don’t change the mechanical reinforcement gained. It shouldn’t stop you if it’s a first.
Now yes, a BX1 F2 is just commercially a BX1. Some even have sold BXs as IBLs … wich is not a lie either.
I prefer full disclosed informations personnally, marketing stuff put more mess in the mess that it’s helping people to see clearer imho. So the full tag method/generation.
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There none idiot questions. And my interest is to make you understand the mechanic more, because in front of the plants … it’s a different equation each round, even with the same batch of seeds.
Breeding isn’t applying a recipe, it’s adapting what you have under the nose to a long evolution from the perspetive of the plant.
MyPheno cut is the reference of the grade searched, but also its own source in the project.
MyPheno x Outcross = the F1s that doesn’t really matter.
MyPheno weed = lets say 5 S1-F2 seeds / oz.
F1 x MyPheno = It’s a F2, BX1 (first encounter with P1).
F1 x S1 = It’s a F3, BX1 (first…)
It’s not the “10 best ways to do it”, you need all. The fader you set only set the efforts you will put and how long. If, in bonus of these two logical sources of genetics, you find another good outcross to do or if you want suddenly a lot of S1 not 5 …
I haven’t written also the creation of the (F1 x S1) ibl … to serve as the real outcross of the cut to stabilize in why not a “final BX” polish.
Wich line will take the lead after three gens ? No one the fuck know. It’s why you need as much that you decide rational to have. But ALL leading to reinforce this herm-female smoke.
The traps … anyway you will encounter a bunch all the times. But the time to get the engine hot (the breeder lol), a bunch are also just practical mistakes linked with a “marketed knowledge”.
Starting by how to dial the filial generations. Just incrementing the generation-counter by 1, for each move, look like rocket science sometimes i swear ^^ Fn+1, that’s all.
For the fear of the unknown, nothing can help this. And the more cocky and accurate the project, like stabilizing a pheno in seeds ^^, the more hardcore are the surprises.
You can’t have a list of reaction to have without knowing what it take for the round in consideration. Yes, “this round i’ve to use short flowering phenos, my magic square said it” … but are you going to get them on this batch ?
And if by mistake you get only long flowering phenos but that kick your ass in three tokes ? You eat the sprouts in salad or you try to push it in a line to spice up the project ? But what kind of line, aside the main BX ? an IBL ? just keeping the cut for an alternate BX ?
No one fucking know before having burned the weed ^^ You can’t master the dices, just building your own traps for the dices and to choose where it’s landing.
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It’s a BX1…
S2 is when a selfed progeny is selfed once again.
An S2 highly reduce genetical diversity, while a S1 to mother slightly increase genetical diversity, and is sort of a backcross and using bx does best discribe the genetical make up.
Selfing is like doing a 3-4 filial generation leap, while backcrossing only lock down specific traits while diversifying, they are different tools for different circumstances in the breeders arsenal.
IXing isn’t something that often is discussed outside of the Canna community. In this case it might be a incross, but since it’s not a “real” botanical term, I’m a bit hesitant.
It’s not a S2 and it’s kinda not following the rules of BX. But I still think bx is the closest, because it’s NOT close to an S2.
@woodenShampoo Think of it like this, you’re using “F1” pollen on a “F3” plant.
Pz 
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I totally understand your considerations about the purity of the material but between a BX3 and a S3 of an elite cut … my hesitation is less than 50ms.
The guy germinate PP seeds and collect fem pollen.
He, then make PP S1s, and pollinate again with the same (fem) pollen … the exact same gametes are used on the timeline, it’s strictly a BX buddy ^^
Now yeah the S2 was given with tolerance but for me, it’s a high deontologic fault to pass a (S1xS1) for a BX. Reversed progeny have to be tagged, i will never give any inch on this point.
I never got it. In bonus to make me think to romans numbers more than anything else in listings lol If you catched the sense of this new trendy notation … i take it.
I think it’s an hybrid of both, hiding a reversal in a pedigree is very problematic for me.
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