Hmm this makes me wonder. My Kryptonite girl was kinda like this. Where the buds at different levels of doneness meant almost totally different effects. So smoking a top cola bud would be more sleep inducing, but smoking a top off one of the lowers would be the racy come up. Do you think it might be something like this that you’re experiencing? Grabbing buds from different parts of the plants causing different effects.
Also, that sucks on all the males, since you want girls and all I’m sure there was some lookers in there too. Still are of course, but you know what I mean lol. Also also… have you seen this paper?
Is there maybe something on the list that is getting amended into your soil? or do you think finding all the males is your secret super power? lol seriously tho, sadness on the zaps and mountain temples. If you need that other half pack of mountain temple back I can send it to you since I haven’t gotten to it yet. Otherwise I’ll get to it at some point in the next year or so hopefully I’ll have a couple temple things to look at then. Hope the girls you got really put out for you this run ^^
I don’t think I’ve smelled anise coming from the TK or the TriForce yet but I’ll have to go take another sniff
That IS interesting. I’ve actually only been smoking the lowers. I’m sure none of y’all remember haha, but the Diesel Therapy #3 plant was the one DT that was left on the lengthy 14/10 schedule (along with the Blueberry x Silver Lotus and the Outer Limits) that didn’t stretch. This one:
I’ve got the tops mostly in two jars and the lowers in their own jar, but I haven’t started fucking with the tops yet, just been blazing the smaller nugs. I dunno why, but I always wait to get into the big nugs/tops once the smaller ones are gone. Or close to being gone, anyway.
Maybe I’ll start breaking up some of those tops and see how they smoke. But the fact that even the lowers are kind of smoking all over the place makes me think that the tops’ll probably be all over the place, too.
That’s an interesting observation, though, and one I’ve never considered, mostly because this is the only weed I’ve ever grown (or smoked) that was just like,“I don’t know what the fuck’s gonna happen…” every time I blaze it haha.
Psssshhhh… I know, man. I think it’s a big part of the reason why I don’t even wanna start a log for the current grow. I’m feeling very bitter haha. I mean… I think it was 39 seeds total, to be exact, that I started. Regardless of the 17 that fried, that means there were 22 other seeds planted and grown. Between the initial planting and the second round, five didn’t sprout, which left me with 17 plants.
And six. Fucking. Females.
I dunno whether to laugh or cry haha. Every now and then, I’ll be sitting on the couch thinking about it, wondering,“That can’t be right, can it? Six females from 22 plants? Maybe you’re not remembering things correctly,” and I’ll get up and look at my notes and be like,“Yeah, that actually happened…” haha.
The consistently shitty M:F ratios were funny a couple years ago. It’s not funny any more.
I don’t think so. I’ve been using new soil every grow the last three grows (or at least partially new, anyway) just because I’ve been getting aphids/thrips the last few grows and tossing that soil. Same inputs for the new soil that I’ve been using for years, but I’ll take a closer look at that link in a little bit. I really don’t think its the soil or the inputs, though. Just luck of the draw. Maybe??? Haha. I mean, I dunno. After years of this shit, I do wonder.
If I added a bunch of stuff to my water all the time and was always trying to “pump up” my plants in veg, I’d think it was maybe that. But I really don’t do anything other than water and maybe I’ll add something to it once a week or so. I dunno. Very weird, though.
Nahhhh, dude, keep 'em. I’ve still got like a pack-and-a-half left from that re-release a year or two ago. I’m just bummed I didn’t get any females this round, was really looking forward to having some for this summer. It’s awesome “summertime weed.” Now I have to wait until next fall/winter to plant more… haha.
Yeah, it’s bizarre. For a little bit, it reeked of rotten fruit, totally reminded me of Bodhi’s Apollo 11 f4, but then it switched like overnight. I really love that OMG male of Bodhi’s, seems to do weird and unexpected things to the crosses it’s involved in. That’s actually why I signed up for discord, was because SHOE was auctioning off a pack Purple Erkle/OMG and I reeealllyyyy wanted that. But then I checked my bank account and was like,“Holy fuck… I actually really do have to get a job now…” haha. It was kind of a joke for the last couple years, how I was like,“Oh, yeah, I should start working again…” but it’s not a joke anymore. The money’s gone. I have to start working again ASAP.
That might be another reason why I’ve been in such a pissy mood lately haha…
Yeah for sure. The main reason I’ll keep the option open is because I think back to the Goji “project” that I started in 2021. It was nice to be able to cite old posts stating my intent to make F2s all the way back to seedling pictures up to the point of shucking seeds, which was loosely documented on RIU. I intended to keep it on the quieter side still until fully testing the offspring but the crowd source Goji project in a sense forced me to get out ahead of it so it would be clear that I wasn’t trying to compete or detract from that. Seemed to help avoid any headaches in that area.
There also are benefits that come with real-time documenting that sometimes provide more accurate information than going solely off (my) memory as well. I actually enjoy reading incremental updates on grow-logs often as much as a start-to-finish log posted at completion. Useful and relevant info is good in my eyes regardless. I think you hit the nail on the head when you described the dialogue in the thread as resembling a Discord server or chat room.
Right, I get that. At the same time, though, you can keep detailed notes and what you observed etc in a notebook or something and post what you were thinking/feeling as things were progressing, even if you don’t post it until after the deed is done. Or whatever. I write tons of shot in my notebooks, even though I barely ever post most of what I’ve written as a given grow was progressing.
If someone else doing something similar gets ahead of you, they get ahead of you. No big deal in my mind haha. I don’t think anybody here’s gonna complain about free seeds haha, whether or not you were “second” or whatever.
Or maybe I’m misunderstanding the point you’re making, I dunno.
Personally (and this is just for my “only female” grow logs), I like posting everything through the first few weeks of flowering all at at once, if only because I don’t know what’s happening until about then. I mean, shit, if I’d have started a new log for the current grow when those seeds first sprouted, it would’ve included Zap and Mountain Temple and shit in the title, even though none of those plants are getting flowered out haha.
Because they all turned out male. I dunno if I made that clear haha!, but they all turned out male. Or they fried up haha…
Doesn’t matter, I like what you do either way, do it however you want to. I’m just saying… Vultures… You know…
It’s more just it was convenient to not come out of the blue posting about F2s at a time of peak interest in Goji OG. I always prefer transparency over mysterious back-stories of stuff that seem to come at questionable times also. For me when I make seeds I’m doing it for myself so it doesn’t really matter to me what other people are doing or if someone else is making the “same” seeds. I get the impression others (not everyone) see it as stepping on their toes. I don’t know, to me it’s not a big deal it’s just less potential for headaches. It’s also just nice to be able to point back to a bit of a backstory.
Yeah this is a good idea and I may end up following this as well to some degree. Would help mitigate the wasted time reading updates about a strain that ends up fizzling out due to intersex issues.
Make’s me think about the Blue Lotus x OMG + (1) Redeye Jedi from my recent log.
You never need to worry about competing or distracting from a co-op project.
The co-op is a charity, our only goal is to help members organize preservation projects of discontinued lines and distribute free seeds to keep the lines alive.
So really there could be no competition between the co-op and any private projects. (or commercial breeders for that matter.)
I think the issue is that people don’t really understand that the Bodhi thread is a repository of grow related information and pictures, not a chat thread. I’m guilty as the next guy of blabbing on, but I don’t think a lot of newbies understand the real reason for these threads. There may be little to no information about a strain, as we all know, so documenting is super helpful for the next person. Maybe if some of the more seasoned OG’ers kindly reminded people from time to time.
So many people didn’t experience forums back in the day, when members were ruthless if you asked a question without referencing some search results.
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and discord have pretty much made people think they’re the first person ever to ask a question and made people feel entitled to an answer to their question without doing any work themselves.
Right there with ya. Talking about the newest drop or packs someone picked up from a reseller gets old—especially when the next topic is always whether they’re gonna F2 them.
But that said, it’s like people posted a blinking arrow pointing the way to OG from RIU…and while some of the real ones like hillbill came over, a bunch of the card collectors did too. I’ll admit I’ve done a fair amount of bodhi seed collecting and talking about seed purchases, but I’m really trying to grow more seeds than I obtain these days.
Fo’ shoooooo’… Good point, I didn’t even think of that. If I was looking around at logs or whatever and saw somebody posting a sorta “second” f2 run of whatever cross, I’d definitely be like,”Who the fuck is this motherfucker…?”
Still, if they’re free, they’re free.
I think that may be why I was saying that I’m feeling a lil’ over it about OG etc, where it’s become this thing about,”Can I trust this motherfucker? What’s the motivation here? Hmm, here’s one seed run. And here’s another of the same exact strain! Something ain’t right!” haha.
It’s stupid… But a legit concern, too, I guess, if people are on the lookout for free seeds haha! I’m not, so I’m not worried about it. I don’t think you should be, either. Fuck ‘em. And anybody with even half a brain can tell right off the bat who’s doing shit for the “right” reasons. Or whatever.
Word.
I mean, yeah, obviously. But I think back to that thing a while ago where there were like 150 posts about Bodhi and Berner. I was just as guilty as anybody of posting lengthy shit about that and none of it was actually “Bodhi grow” related.
Things get chatty. I get that. It just feels like things are getting a little “weird chatty” lately. Like I said, I’m getting a vibe that maybe not everybody there is getting “chatty” for the same reasons that I’m active on that thread.
I dunno. Maybe it’s just me… haha!!
I thought about doing that, but I figured,”Fuck it.” Who really cares? I can post my completed grows there when they’re done and ignore everything else.
Maybe that’s what it is. I for sure lurked for years before I ever even created an account on the first site I joined and started asking questions. But I for sure did not show up and start asking,”You guys ever grow this??? Or what about that???”
At the same time, part of the fun of growing/researching online is just that: growing/researching online. It boggles my mind that somebody wouldn’t want to read every grow log they could find about a particular cross that they were interested in and instead just go,”Uh, hey, anybody ever grown blahblahblah???” Half the fun (or a third of the fun haha) is doing my own research.
Not to mention, I’m not gonna take one motherfucker’s word for it regarding any strain haha! I’m gonna do a cumulative thing.
Okay. Didn’t really know that. I’ve never spent any time on RIU, but I’m aware that it was kinda filled with a bunch of dipshits. That’s kinda the feeling that I’ve been getting lately on the Bodhi thread, was that people on RIU have been telling each other,”Hey! Guess what?!? There’s this other place where people are giving away seeds FOR FREE!”
Or whatever.
It’s alright. I know who I like here. And I know who the fuck is full of shit. Ain’t hard to tell…
Yes. They’re not. Many of them are collecting to resell or pretending like they’re dying to have every cross he’s ever made, even though they just started growing last week, while simultaneously blaming bodhi’s strains for all their problems. And they never help anyone else or spread any love except to their insiders crew, yet mostly spend a lot of time complaining.
I’m guilty on all counts as well. I’m sorry.
Except that it was taken over by loud newcomers who excluded the original people from being a part of it, then unilaterally made up new rules. It seems more like a power trip rather than a collaboration. Despite some of the flaky people in the past, there were never any hostile takeovers or coups.
I think the bodhi thread at RIU was pretty good aside from the people who always flex about their purchases but never about their grows. That’s the issue in the bodhi thread here. Too much jibber jabber and complaining, not enough action.
did something go wrong with your last co-op project?
I was recently added to the co-op management group to help with strain research. I don’t really know what was going on within the group or with the creation of the group before I got there. It seems benign.
The conversations now are mainly about trying to avoid sending out subpar genetics, avoiding working with genetics that are still for sale in some form, reducing labor for distributors, and trying to make the sign ups less chaotic.
Agree strongly and I think issues that arise with the culture surrounding community seed “preservations” are starting to become more and more apparent.
I understand the ideal of living up to the name Overgrow on one hand. On the other you can’t really Overgrow the world if no one is actually germinating any of the “valuable” seeds they are collecting. To me the information posted about genetics relating to seeds that I have is most interesting to me personally. I couldn’t care less about free seeds and have never asked for nor taken any from anyone and know you have a similar stance.
I appreciate you posting about this place on RIU. I lurked the old OG for basic gardening info but never posted or made an account, and I browsed all the sites that followed after the incident including RIU. Think I saw you (or maybe someone else) post in the RIU thread about this place in early '21 and that’s how I re-found it. In my mind the cultural issues and inevitably the vultures that come with the territory to take advantage of those sharing seeds can’t be blamed on RIU. Probably a more deeply rooted philosophical issue relating to human nature.
I’m thankful that every single person that has inquired about birdseed from me has attempted to offer some form of compensation and didn’t come across as opportunistic collectors, but I know that isn’t necessarily the norm.
Summed up a few months of posts with that quote there. Can’t help but feel like after enough cycles of exclusive free seed giveaways are circulated it will eventually demystify a lot of this for people and the tulip mania will be over. Hopefully then things get back on track with people actually growing out packs rather than treating them as an investment or something weird like that.
Yeah, I mean, I’m a “seed collector,” if you wanna call it that. My seed collection is pretty ridiculous, anyway, pretty sure I’ve mentioned multiple times that it sometimes keeps me up at night haha. It’s more just the constant talking about it and the… I dunno, the whole newbie-ness of it haha that rubs me the wrong way.
Or I dunno. We were all newbies at some point. I still feel like a newbie a lot of the time. But something about those dipshits really bothers me haha! For real, something feels off. It doesn’t feel like the excitement of just starting to grow or even the excitement of discovering Bodhi’s work. It feels way more… shady, I guess.
Having said all that, directing people from RIU over here to overgrow is an unforgivable offense hahaha!!!
Just fucking with you.
I don’t get involved with those co-op things, but I know what you’re talking about coughDougcoughDawson.
Or if they’re just selling the seeds.
In any event, it’s one thing to be welcoming and inclusive, but that doesn’t mean you have to welcome any ol’ asshole. I really don’t think it’s too difficult to ascertain right from almost the very start that, you know,”This person is full of shit.” Even online, it’s not hard to tell almost right from the get-go who’s an idiot and who isn’t. And I dunno about you, but idiots aren’t welcome in my world. If that makes me a dick, so be it. I like my world to be as idiot-free as possible.
I will, however, point out to them how much of an idiot they are, but that’s just in an effort to help them haha. I’m a very helpful person.
I mean, I’ve taken people up on their offers to send me some seeds a few times. Iamyou’s BB x Silver Lotus was grown in this very thread haha. I’m growing a couple of nube’s Pura Vida f2’s right now and have more of his stuff in my fridge (need to get to some of those soon haha). I signed up for plantsheperd’s NL5 preservation like a year ago and elgalloblanco’s Gold Star preservation two years ago. Got some of holyangel’s work in the fridge (need to get that ASAP, too haha)…
I’ve also sent out a SHITLOAD of seeds to people, packs that I actually paid for, not ones I made (y’all know I don’t make seeds haha) and didn’t ask for shit in return. I don’t care. And I damn sure don’t need to get an “Attaboy! minitiger’s awesome!” for it.
To me, it’s just a matter of decorum. Call me old school if you want, but you don’t just show up and start asking for seeds and asking,”Who wants to trade? Who wants to buy these seeds I have?” or whatever. You need to prove your value. I’m not sure if these people are just clueless or if they think,”It’s the internet; standard rules don’t apply,” but if some dickhead I didn’t know and had never even spoken to walked up to me in a bar and asked,”Can I do some of your blow?” I’d kick the shit out of them. And then I’d tell them to fuck off haha.
Anyway… Seems like we go through this once a year or so, bitching about all the new dipshits and the new weirdness haha. Y’all know I love y’all. And we all know who’s full of shit and who isn’t.
Damn bummer on the m/f rates - thats a tough run of luck. Was hoping to get some zap info nuggets haha. Its one Id like to try soon - pure sativa hybrids are not common and Im sure bodhis oaxacan, thai, and vietnam cuts are excellent.
Definitely have noticed the same with bodhi thread, as well as csi humboldts. Its just all about drops and buys - hard to find any useful grow info or smoke reports.
I almost pulled a minitiger the other day in the csi thread and called someone out for being all buy & no grow. One dude in particular seems to always buy seeds but literally never once mentions anything about growing them or the smoke from them. Same dude had some other seeds he was trying to sell or trade…based on the dollar value assigned to those, I’m pretty sure he’s just a reseller.
Others run around searching for hard to find older seed packs, buy the packs wherever they find them without vetting the source, then cry about it when they can only get 1 or 2 from a pack to pop. But they’re definitely gonna F2 them as long as they get at least a male and a female from that pack.
There’s also a dude I’ve verbally sparred with both here and at RIU. Dude asked for experiences with a particular seed bank. Everyone who responded said either they had never heard of it or looked at it and advised against it. Now he’s having problems with the seeds he bought from that site. Shocker. Dude also has the opinion that having credit card payments somehow legitimizes a seed bank (and somehow delegitimizes a seed bank if they don’t). My last response to that was wiped by Sunni at RIU, so dude must have gone off on me in response, which of course means that my post was bullying or some shit.
Bodhi thread is getting split into 2 threads now to hopefully help with info. One will be only for growing Bodhi gear, logs and smoke reports. The other will be the normal chit chat about releases, drops, Cookie drama, and trades.
That should def help out. I wish there were more logs here to search for complete grows. Not enough traffic on Breedbay for me to hang out there.
Yeah I hope it helps with more bodhi info - it’s tough to track down info on specific crosses and there’s a ton of them! All the drops / releases convos have been dull for awhile as Bodhi hasn’t put out much using new males in a minute. The rollitup thread has tons of useful info from over the years, but there’s a lot of garbage to wade through, and search feature only gets you so far.
Lol yeah - the CSI thread is pretty tough to read. He has great freebies and everyone’s excited about it, but its like 95% of the discussion. Definitely too much hoarders / resellers, with not enough growing.
Honestly, veg pics matter more to me than flower pics. Flowers are hard to guage between cultivars and take months to get there to know if your plant leans a particular way or not. But the veg pics and traits will be useful to anyone growing out related lines. I don’t care if the plant(s) never gets flowered out in your grow log. I came for the info and good chat, not just to oogle your flowers
I’m sure there was some lookers in there too. Still are of course, but you know what I mean lol. Also also… have you seen this paper?
I’ll have a couple temple things to look at then. Hope the girls you got really put out for you this run ^^
All the drops / releases convos have been dull for awhile as Bodhi hasn’t put out much using new males in a minute. The rollitup thread has tons of useful info from over the years, but there’s a lot of garbage to wade through, and search feature only gets you so far.