Canna-GPT: is it worth the time and effort?

So I was testing this thing out and personally found it useless.
Maybe I am not asking the questions properly or maybe this thing just sucks ass. :astonished:

here was my question.
BTW
I already know the answer…LOL
how much phosphite is needed to potentially increase secondary metabolite production in certain plants, including cannabis.

Canna-GPT

12:56

Phosphite is a form of phosphorus that has been suggested to potentially enhance secondary metabolite production in plants, including cannabis. However, the specific dosage and application of phosphite for this purpose may vary depending on several factors like plant species, growth stage, and environmental conditions. It is always recommended to consult with a professional cannabis cultivator or agricultural expert who can provide specific guidance tailored to your situation. They will have the knowledge and experience to determine the appropriate amount of phosphite to use, taking into consideration the specific needs of your plants.

The things uses a lot of words and avoids answering the question.
I find this happens a lot.

I hope some of you have some tough questions you could ask it and post the results here for us to evaluate and comment on.

Maybe my prompts are all wrong…dunno really. :thinking:
I can not find a use for this thing myself…what is your opinion?

https://canna-gpt.com/chat/

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fill in the details and ask again. cannabis, stage of growth, rh, temp, etc.

Id recommend going to Google scholar and searching for something like “Cannabinoid cannabis fertilizer rates” there are some articles published for CBD hemp that translate over.

I think Caplan et al have some papers for veg and flower. The media may be different than what you use, but its a starting point and will give you an idea of range that will work best for you

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While good advice and I do use that method quite often, My hope was to use this as a short cut.
To kinda have the AI browse everything on google scholar and give me the summary.

Are my hopes set too high?

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I’d argue if you have to come here and ask, that GPT wasn’t worth your time. I know the Google scholar search will return the information you need on the first page.

I also think that the information regarding elevated nutrient levels and plant response are worth seeing. They can decrease overall yield or cannabinoid content if running too high

Edit to add: I also would double check anything you get from GPT. I did a class assignment last semester where we had to ask chat gpt about common plant families and probably 80% of what was given was wrong or needed major revisions

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did you give it what it needed to give you the results? it told you what it needed.

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It’s logical answer if you don’t give full information about the plants size ,medium ,size of container , photos of the plants lol

I tried that just for you…

You

14:26

how much phosphite is needed to potentially increase secondary metabolite production in flowering cannabis with 40% humidity at 75 degrees Fahrenheit

Canna-GPT

14:26

To potentially increase secondary metabolite production in flowering cannabis, phosphite can be used as a supplement. However, it’s important to note that the exact dosage can vary based on several factors, including the specific strain of cannabis and the desired outcome. It is recommended to consult with a professional cannabis cultivator or an expert in plant nutrition to determine the appropriate dosage for your particular set of conditions. They can take into account factors like the strain’s sensitivity to phosphite, nutrient availability in your growing medium, and any other influencing variables to provide precise guidance. Remember, it’s crucial to follow proper cultivation practices and ensure the well-being of your plants throughout the process.

Ok here is the challenge…
Either using Google Scholar or any AI you wish try to get to correct answer.
I am unable to find the answer either way.

This is getting us closer

This is why elevated nutrient levels can be bad

Here is phosphorous recommendations

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:thinking:
Or farther down the rabbit hole…LOL
If you are considering phosphite as a P source, now we need to consider the availability of the P in phosphite.
I do appreciate your enthusiasm here. :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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I love convos like this.

Normal phosphate fertilizer has 32% available P and phosphite has 39%. Apply phosphite at approximately 80% (32%/39% for ratio)

Edit to add: might be worth throwing some of those numbers into GPT to convert to a more usable measure. GPT handles math really well

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But is it immediately available?

I do too, thanks for the engagement. :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

Internet chat is pretty cold, so if things seem to go that way, please know that is not my intention.

In other words, I hope to keep things friendly. :grinning:

Just so you know where I am coming from here…
My hope is to use phosphite as an elicitor to increase secondary metabolite production VIA an immune system response.

You

14:45

how to use phosphite as an elicitor to increase secondary metabolite production VIA an immune system response in cannabis

Canna-GPT

14:45

When it comes to the use of phosphite as an elicitor to increase secondary metabolite production in cannabis, it’s important to note that phosphite is not typically used for this purpose. Phosphite, specifically potassium phosphite (KPhi), is commonly used as a fungicide to prevent or manage certain plant diseases, rather than as an elicitor of secondary metabolites. However, if you’re looking to enhance secondary metabolite production or stimulate the immune system response in cannabis, there are other approaches you can consider: 1. Genetics: Select cannabis strains that are known to have higher levels of secondary metabolites, such as specific cannabinoids or terpenes. 2. Environment: Maintain optimal environmental conditions including light intensity, temperature, humidity, and ventilation to support healthy plant growth and secondary metabolite production. 3. Nutrient management: Ensure a well-balanced nutrient regimen tailored for cannabis cultivation, as nutrient availability plays a role in secondary metabolite production. 4. Stress induction: Subjecting the plants to carefully controlled stressors like mild temperature fluctuations, reduced watering, or limited nutrient availability can trigger the production of secondary metabolites as a defense mechanism. It’s worth mentioning that seeking advice from licensed professionals or conducting further research on specific techniques and products can provide more detailed information on maximizing secondary metabolite production in cannabis.

See what I mean, I think this thing is useless…or I am … :rofl:

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Me not so much…LOL

What does the equate to in terms of ml/L of a 53% product?

If you did 50 ml/L (made this number up) then i would multiply that .8 (80%) to get 40 ml/L.

Most of what I’ve seen in literature is that elevated nutrient levels are more likely to inhibit cannabinoids than increase them. I have had, by far, the best results from running my plants a little dry and stressing them that way

Sounds like every experience I’ve had with AI. If you can actually get them to understand what you’re asking, and it’s information that’s readily accessible and widely agreed upon, maybe you end up getting what you’re looking for from them… otherwise you end up getting what sounds like the transcript of an impeachment trial. Pretentious as hell, and desperately trying to avoid saying anything at all for fear that it might be provably false or offend someone. Or sometimes, you’ll get lucky and it’ll be in a super-helpful mode where it just makes things up and provides references to non-existent articles to prove its case, regardless of the consequences. It can just about handle making unoriginal art, imo, and otherwise it’s still mostly useless in practice.

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Thanks @Cormoran
Misery loves company… :rofl:

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So the stoichiometry there is going to be a little different because that product is only 53% phosphite. You planning on measuring by volume or ppm of solution?

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That is where I tend to mess things up.

By volume if possible…thanks! :star_struck:
It would seem you may be cheating, using a human brian is outside of the challenge.
But truly I am happy to hear all of your thought on this.

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@shag ive had a blast responding to many of your posts so far!

Here is a little more. This is one of the better studies I have seen and the methods seemed reasonable.

And here is a discussion on cannabinoids

30-90 is a big range, but they mention genotype dependence so if it were me I would be at 30 mg/L unless I saw deficiencies then increase by increments of 15 mg/L

I do not disagree.
Thanks for the added info on P

Boosting K in flower can have benefits, like added frost.
Now how that all tests out scientifically I do not know.
Anecdotal evidence at best I know but it is repeatable.