Thanks @funkyfunk hopefully so. Squat little plants
@Nitt I’ll take some pictures of her tomorrow 
Thanks for all the help with the clones. I am going to take a whole new round of cuts, normal size this time 
Learning new stuff everyday!
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I just did it tonight with the moms I have, I’ve never kept moms before but I did struggle with not up-potting early enough for a while and got cozy with root pruning, it really works! I do it gently to all my plants that have any circling when I repot but I chopped the mom balls down to about 50% while going up from a pint to a 3qt pot, hoping that combo keeps them happy for at least a few months without much drama now.
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How? Slice’em off with a bread knife, carving knife?
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If they’re really gnarly I use a serrated bread knife or my hori-hori, or a utility knife cleaned with some alcohol first. Usually I just scrape the surface off with the edge of my trowel, it depends on the goal? If a plant is really rootbound but vigorous with thick roots, I’ll often just slice up the roots with a sharp knife in a sort of checkerboard pattern all around, if it’s sort of wispy and that netting kind of roots I’ll knock it off. On the theory that the first one is just going to go ahead anyways so I just need to slice the roots so they explore out. The wispy roots I want to knock back toward the taproot so it does a better job this time around of rooting out, if it’s not just genetics. And if it dies it dies, I don’t baby plants along unless they’re special for some reason.
The kind of really heavy duty circular rooting with thick ones I definitely need a sharp serrated knife to do it safely and cleanly. Or at least a really long knife, I’ve used my machete and it works good with a long light draw stroke.
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Here’s some pics of various weirdness in the 907 x Shiskaberry. Mom had some bizarre leafs it’s almost certainly her wild genepool behind this stuff.
Curiously the NL #1 cross looks much less strange and has considerably higher vigor.
Edit: I went back through pictures of the 907 plants from last summer. The mother of my crosses, producer of phenomenal blueberry indica buds, is the only one showing the leaf mutation traits of the 3 females I grew to a reasonable size. Interesting 
Curious to see if it later emerges in the other plants. Statistically this is a minute sampling of 6 total daughter plants. I wish I could have 100, or even 20. A functional comprehension of a line has to be incredibly difficult without large sample sizes or tons of experience. Really makes you appreciate the truly deliberate seed breeders out there stabilizing lines.
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definitely not a surprise for an NL x 
gonna be fun in flower. 
how abt the clones? did the berry lights do better?
plants look good 
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I can’t wait for flower time 
Northern Berry rooted better but I’m going to take some new cuttings of all the females this weekend and try to get a good handle on the process.
Curious how it will go with normal-size cuts and a tuned environment. The understanding gained by these was worth the time even if most don’t take.
Thanks!
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Looks like I have 3 of 4 remaining cuts rooted as of today. Two of the 907xNL are making it, 1 of the 907xShisk seems to have taken. I started with 5 907xNL cuts, 2 of which were male, 3 left with 2 rooted. Started with 2 907xShisks, killed one and one rooted both female. Giving it another go on Sunday morning - cuts of all 9 mother plants. I’m going to consider the existing cuts learning experiences and we’ll start fresh. I’m still going to keep the freshly-rooted ones around as an experiment or backup. We’ll see.
Feeding this morning the modified “pre-cut” mix with my default 3g Megacrop A + 3g Megacrop B + 1 gal RO plus some goodies to help my cuts. The 9 plants are consuming about 1L per day, ~110mL per 3" cube.
Added 2g/gallon of the Sea-K (80ppm elemental K). Brings up all the micronutrients nicely plus supposed hormonal goodies.
Also added 1.25mL/gallon SuperThrive (Vitamin B)
pH to 5.83, EC 2.3 (up about 15% mostly K). pH should drift up over the next few days as usual. The MegaCrop seems to always equilibrate to 6.2, so I seldom use pH up. I’ve been mixing a new jug every 3 days, it’ll start 5.8, 6.0 and 6.2 by the time I’m running out of the jug.
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
12" ruler sitting on bottom of tray
I think I’ll get 2 nice, fist-size cuts of most of them.
I’m turning off the heatmat on the lower tray to encourage carb accumulation in the plants before cut. I expect the effects of this to be unobservably small, but hey, learn something new and give it a shot. I can’t NOT apply my new knowledge. Extra K, some extra hormones, some B1 and a few degrees cooler. I expect more results from understanding the rooting process better, establishing temp control of my rooting dome and having normal-size cuts.
Appreciate all the help along the way. I’ve already learned a TON about plants in general just with the guidance cloning. That’s really what makes this fun.
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Things are looking nice @FieldEffect !
The indoor grow ‘stuff’ is a language I don’t speak yet, but it looks like you are soaking it all up, nicely done.
Glad to read about the 907 x NL1 seedlings off to a good vigorous start. I threw that pollen at a bunch of solid outdoor females this season, but it is still a few months away before I can grow any of ‘em. I’ll be tuning in here to see how things turn out.
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Hey there @Klyphman!
It’s been a journey and we’re not even into the main event. The plants are very healthy going into cuttings tomorrow. Getting the hang of things. I read too much but it never crystalizes in my head until I try it.
I think they’re going to be some good plants, thanks for the pollen! Lots of firsts last year, chucking some pollen being the main one. This year growing inside, beans I made myself 
Cheers indeed, I saved some of the beans for ya
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Alrighty! Took a shitload of cuts this morning, they all look better than they did last time.
Preparation: 3 days of feeding 2.3EC: 3g/gal MC Part A, 3g/gal MC Part B, 2g/gallon Sea-K and 1.25mL Super Thrive. A few drops of pH up to 5.8. Just as a note to anyone unfamiliar, Super Thrive is acidic so I’ve been monitoring the pH and applying pH up as required. 2% acetic IIRC. It’s not crazy but it definately made my solution behave differently than before. The additions were made to improve the potassium availability in the unrooted cutting, as well as B1, both linked to improved rooting success. The Sea-K also includes some hormones that may be a mixed bag (auxins vs cytokins). I generally want them fat and happy before I ruin their ability to eat for a week. Rooting plugs were briefly dunked in 50% of the feed solution that I pH’d to higher level (EC 1.15, pH 6.0), then lightly squeezed to what I believe to be the proper level of dankness.
General hygiene standards: Washed and rinsed tray and dome with hot water and dish soap. Wore gloves during entirety of procedure, sterilized with isoproyl between each plant (scissors, gloves, scalpel). Generally washed with half-and-half distilled water and hydrogen peroxide (standard 3%). I know that’s not going to help with HLVd but that’s not something I’m concerned about in my situation. If I was bringing IN clones, sure, bleach rather than ISO and seperate batches of peroxide wash water.
Here’s the before:
Tray of plugs prepped. Each hole already has a shot of Athena Cuts in it. Used a small 4oz condiment dispenser it’s nice to just fill each pocket, avoid contamination, and ensure even coverage, especially at bottom of the stem cut. I worried last time I wiped a lot off when I slid them in. I’m inclined to make several off-color jokes but I’ll refrain.
I didn’t realize one of the 907 Blue Genes x NL#1 branches was whorled as well. This is a beautiful example:
Jammed all the cuts in. I may move this to a full-size propagation tray tomorrow I really don’t want leaves touching each other but I took quite a few. Another thing that was better about this attempt was the stalk diameters were all TIGHT in the holes. No loosey-goosey shit whatsoever. That should also accelerate things.
I wound up getting two cuts of everything except one of the Runtz x Sour Bubble and one of the 907xShisk. So I have 16 cuts total in the tray. I think this looks MUCH better than last time.
I guess it’s weed salad for breakfast.
I’ll let the seed moms relax for a day before I do much more to them. When they recover I’ll trim them up the way I want.
Was going to use the rest of my morning before everyone wakes up to prepare some joints for the day. Mostly Panalawi and Indiana Bubblegum. Maybe a Hella Jelly thrown in for good measure. I plan to make a beef stew, smoke weed and watch kids movies all day with the family. Yesterday was cold, cloudy and windy AF. Today isn’t supposed to be that way but I’m going to pretend it is because I want to make stew. What a life 
Cheers!
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Heres to the lucky Stew and a great day of Putzing around with the Family !!
Tent looks spectacular, amazing progress @FieldEffect
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So the thing is that there are lots of “seaweeds” but they all have different compositions, Sea-K is a blend of three, this is from the Greenleaf Amazon store description:
“ Sea-K Kelp is extracted from species Ascophyllum nodosum, Sargassum, Laginaria”
This is a great paper among many about seaweed extracts:
Effect_of_Seaweed_Extracts_on_Ornamental_Plants_Ar.pdf (312.9 KB)
I use Maxicrop after going through one of those Sea-K sample bags, it’s just straight ascophyllum nosodum which seems maybe more understandable to me how it works? IDK, just wanted to share that, no particular advice, I thought Sea-K was good I like Maxicrop a lot too.
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I have boxes of seaweed I picked up at a going out of Biz sale. For $1 a box plus Nectar of the Gods stuff for $1 a quart and a bunch of other consumables used in growing….
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You want to use bleach on scissors instead of iso, which doesn’t kill our favorite viroid, HLV. Check Tumi Genomics for great HLV info, Dr Tassa Said I had done great work in the cannabis HLV space
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Thanks! I’m excited to get some stuff on the flower table. I built the flood/drain for the veg side yesterday, may install it today, may not. We’ll see. I’ve got some other to-dos, work and otherwise that take precedence.
The stew was good!
I appreciate you always linking to real resources. What I read about Sargassum was also very positive. The Lagernaria is not a seaweed but looks beneficial as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if the differences among the brands is impossible to distinguish, the K content is so similar.
I only say they may be a wash in terms of hormones because for cloning the promotion of auxin is preferred to increasing the levels of cytokinins. Cytokinins promote tissue growth but inhibit rooting. Auxins exist in a balance with them, and in the case of rooting clones, are the critical actors at play. So, the auxins may be increased, which is fantastic, but simultaneously I’m increasing the cytokinins which may serve overall to decrease the rooting efficacy. I figured to give it a go and we’ll see 
Nice!
Sure thing. I wasn’t worried about it in my case working with only seed plants at this point. When I initially studied this about a year ago the consensus was that transferrance via seed stock was negligible - although that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore as studies have emerged regarding the transferrance of HLVd from male and female parents plants to seedlings. In any case, you are right that this should be the procedure from now on. The alcohol and peroxide were an attempt at pseudo-sterility only for the reduction of fungal contamination. Thanks!
Tent looks good today. Happy plants 
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Tent is looking great! Good work 
Excited to see them take off in the bloom room.
Happy plants Happy life 
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I’m with you on this, big time. A few years ago I read all I could about grafting fruit trees, rootstocks, scions, etc… Now my yard is full of ‘em, but it didn’t really make sense until I did it.
That’d be great, thanks! I’m happy to send some random goodies your way in exchange. I’ll shoot you a message.
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