FieldEffect's Attempt to Grow Indoors

Good morning guys :slightly_smiling_face:

We got snow this morning, been playing outside with my daughter :grin:

Plants are good, made my stock nutrient solutions 200g/L both A and B. I think Friday is going to be the day the flower table starts operations. Cuts are looking great I slightly opened the vents (just a sliver). I’ll increase the sliver a bit each day and maintain the moisture in the plugs by bottom feeding. Hoping to get them into the rockwool cubes next weekend.

Excited to start flower! The cuts will be going straight into 12/12. I can’t wait :cowboy_hat_face:

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Negligible update today for my own records. The seedlings are growing at a ridiculous rate. Considering cutting the veg light cycle back towards 16hrs to reduce DLI. I didn’t fill the reservoir in the veg system yesterday so it was the first time I gave it 2 days alone with itself.

Vegetative Res pH had risen to 6.3, with an EC of only 1.5. I added 3/4 of a gallon of 1.8EC, 5.8pH to top it up. It would barely flood on the 3rd day of neglect but I could get away with it if I had to for some reason. Seeing what the limit would be.

I’m going to start filling the flower reservoir incrementally in the mornings 5 gallons at a time. I ordered a fish tank circulator to accompany the small air stone (may or may not use). It’s all washed and ready to go. I’ll get a few flood drain cycles ran with just the RO water to confirm everything is functioning to my expectations and the flood level is good. I’d like to get a feel for flood/drain times as well.

I mixed up 750mL 1EC, 6.0pH feed for the cuts. 0.2mL of Superthrive and 0.25g of Sea-K. Added about 100mL to the tray to bottom-feed. Cuts are looking good but no visible roots yet. Today is day 8, they were cut Feb 4

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Woke up a little early and decided to trim up my moms.

They were an unruly bunch :cowboy_hat_face:

I’m really good at growing weed salad, hopefully I can also grow some buds

Here are the moms after haircuts. I took two cuts of most everything I may replace a few of the unruly ones. Particularly the Runtz x Sour Bubbles are tall AF because I didn’t top them early in life.

Cuts still looking well (compared to my first attempt).

Here’s the current state of the tent, veg side:

And I don’t think I have recorded much of my work on the flower side. The reservoir is elevated 8" so I can easily drain it into bussing trays or another nice container I have. The foam table has a removable section that tilts the whole setup to drain the dregs of the reservoir. I made a nice valve/hose assembly for the drain process. Plus, I put up some of my stickers :sunglasses:

Cheers thanks for all the help so far I think this is going to be a success :crossed_fingers:

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Well, update going into a big weekend :grin:

All but 2 of the cuts have visible roots. Continuing to transition vents open and bottom fertigate.

The family

Moms are well. Reservoir is starting to get a bit slimy I’ll wash it all out tomorrow. Topped off with about half a gallon of RO may as well get a little flush of the blocks going. I worry about salt buildup since the cubes are only getting partially flooded. Is this something I need to worry about or am I being paranoid?

Look at the stalks on these 907 Blue Genes x NL#1.

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How do I manage the slimy veg reservoir? Should I treat with HOCl and flush to avoid nasties growing? Flush may not be the right word, I mean basically empty and wash out all the components

Should I be flushing my partially-flooded mother blocks every few weeks? I’m not worried about it on the flower side because that setup will totally flood each cycle, so long-term accumulation will be minimal.

@tamimes in particular: So I continue hardening the clones, load them into media in the next few days and put them into 12/12? Currently running 16/8 for veg-side, tapered down from 24/0 an hour at a time over the last few weeks to slow down the mom plants

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Looking great in here, my friend. Excellent little guide and follow along for any interested in starting hydro. Super well documented. Good job :+1:t2:

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We bottom feed all our moms. They usually do need to be flushed eventually because of the buildup, but it’s usually months before needed. In coco, we can see salts migrate to the top and accumulate media before the girls need the flush. So you should be good bottom feeding for a while.

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I was gifted some of this recently and hoped to run it in my res to keep things sterile but came to the conclusion that it might be a waste of time without a way to measure orp. I just wash my reservoir with soap/water every change. HOCl might work better for that too, I haven’t used it yet. Did you buy a generator?

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Thanks for the compliment @DirtySlowToes! I’m trying to keep pretty detailed notes and plenty of info about all my homebrew stuff and learning process. It’s a lot of fun learning from members here as I go.

@BigF appreciate the input. It’s a valid concern but likely a bit premature is what it sounds like.

@NoCal No generator, I bought a gallon of 500ppm from Amazonia when I was fighting mold outside last September. I’d like to put it to work before it expires, probably half a gallon left and when I checked it’s pH a month or two ago it was still looked good. Hilariously enough I was chatting with @Nitt about ORP measurement a few weeks ago :cowboy_hat_face:

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Yea. That’s what I’d do, at least. My veg. reservoir (12 Gal tote) gets taken to utility sink and sprayed out with garden nozzle blast, then sprayed with HOCl, every single time it’s emptied (every few days). There’s nothing in there (slime or otherwise), but still. If I were using anything … “organic”, or “non-synthetic” (?) I’d for sure do this. If it’s feasible. I often add some type of soap, too.

If you mean just putting more of whatever you fertigate with off than usual, causing extra runoff, that might be a good idea, especially in such small blocks/media. I don’t think it can hurt. Maybe check what the runoff ec is, before and after, for your own insight.

Did you look at any orp meters? Apera makes a pen type, it’s the same series as the ph and ec pen that @FieldEffect is using. They make a probe also, which I could connect to my Apera combo meter. $160 and $110 cad, respectively. There are several other options too. I haven’t gone for it yet.

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Heya Bro beautiful cut
It will grow big

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Just quickly to get an idea on price. I saw the apera pens, looks like ~$100 or so to get going. Not sure if I can talk myself into it :grinning:
I plan to use it mainly for cleaning equipment and PM (outside every year).

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The orp meter you mean? That’s all you want to know the orp for, for cleaning equipment (non-living things)? If that’s all I likely wouldn’t bother. I’d just make whatever concentration of HOCl, or calcium hypochlorite/chlorine, whatever you’re using, and use it.
I’m not particularly impressed with the standard pH probe that comes with my apera combo meter, though. It seems to function fine, but it has this odd… discoloration happening. I won’t get into details now.

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I wanted to give it a constant run my reservoir, and will try it if I ever get a meter. Until then I’ll just clean equipment with it.

My ph60 has an orp mode but I can’t find a combo orp/ph probe. Maybe you have to switch the probe each time…. That would only be ~$60

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I contacted them about seeing this in the marketing material (video), and they said that it was a mistake they would correct.

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I do eventually want to run the HOCL continuously in both reservoirs. I’ll probably just buy the good ORP pen but of course I entertain other options. People seem to have difficulty with making ORP measurements in reviews of both expensive and cheapo type units. It’s probably like pH pens - it’s a sensitive measurement system and needs to be properly maintained to function properly, and there is an intrinsic time constant to the measurement sensor that folks seem consistently impatient about.

I just pulled the trigger on an Oakton ORPTestr 10 for $20 shipped on eBay. It was listed as NIB, gamble maybe but we’ll see. Even if it doesn’t work, I’d get $20 of enjoyment tearing it totally apart. I’ll also acquire some calibration solution. If it works that’d be a nice professional-level tool, if not, I’ll almost certainly wind up with the Apera :rofl:

Thanks, much happier with this round of cuts. Hopefully not TOO big :smile:


General update today. I took apart my veg flood/drain (just gonna call this FD) setup and soapy-water washed it. Purged the pump with ISO and a rinse. Cleaned up really nice, and worked out to be pretty easy to accomplish in conjunction with a bussing bin (thanks @Dirt_Wizard I picked one up locally and use it all the time) to stow the plants in.

Here’s what the res looked like before I removed it to clean.

I did something, maybe bad, I think it was a good decision (or I wouldn’t have done it). I mixed up 200ppm HOCL solution with RO. I dunked/soaked for a few minutes each cube individually as I was mixing up the fresh nutes for the reservoir. Rinsed them off with RO and back onto the clean FD setup. The logic here was two-fold, make sure I’m not accumulating salts, and handle any nasties/quell the algae. I figured I have all the plants in a bussing bin already, why not. Overkill perhaps. But I’ve seen people post problems with salty blocks I’d rather just avoid the problem rather than wait for it to manifest.

Some of the Runtz x Sour Bubble cuts still aren’t showing roots - they are a little more stubborn I guess. We’re sitting at 12 days on all the cuts, everything else I check is pretty much ready for transplant. But I’ve got most that are cranking roots I need to get hardened up and transplanted out. So vents are open now and light PPFD is up to 130 or so. It’d be really nice to have two of these setups so I could leave the Runtz x Sour Bubble slow-rooters in humid/dim setup while I harden off the others in a different environment.

Plan: Prepare the 4" cubes soaking in 5.5pH nute solution tomorrow morning. Remove dome from clone box for hardening, I’ll try to shield the still-rooting cuts with an improvised partial humidity dome. Sunday morning I’ll migrate the “hardened” clones to the cubes and put it in the flower chamber starting around 150-200 PPFD. Over the course of a week I’ll get to desired, much higher intensity as the roots take hold. Is that a reasonable plan? If it’s fatally flawed please let me know.

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Athena Cleanse has mix rate info with it. We run 10 to 12 ml/gal in the batch tanks. Dripper lines look new after a run.

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Hey @BigF works out to 0.6-0.8ppm, which is conservative based on the ranges I’ve seen recommended online. It’s nice to know there is a tangible effect at that level, and a good reference point to target.

Do you monitor ORP or just run it?

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Do you just add it once when you first mix a tank or does it get topped off over the life of the nutrient batch? Thanks for the tips :+1:

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Nice find! Maybe you should start looking for a second tent for your other megagarden…. :joy:

How did your hocl applications work for you outdoors? Everything I read is so positive I’m surprised it’s not more commonly used.

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think mb you’re making it harder than necessary…?
why not just up-cube the rooted cuts and veg 'em? then just leave lagging R x SBs in the cloner :+1:

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