looking good the mothers seem to recover! they will soon be adding a lot of biomass! 
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Back to the automated flood/drain on the mother side. Plants have responded well.
Flower side things are doing good. They are really moving under 12/12 with the higher EC and cranking up the intensity. The last NL (N2 labeled bottom right of the post from yesterday) was a bit premature to throw into that situation but we’ll see if she catches up. Looks like she’s building her footing. I could throw her back on the veg side but I’m kind of curious what happens. Some are weaker than the rest, that is already becoming clear.
Now that I can measure ORP my neuroticsm is nearly fulfilled.
Have a great day guys! Thanks for the help and good vibes 
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Nonsense to post it there, but it’s a chill BBQ with good souls : genic therapy is the real shit damned. Expensive but fucking hell it’s the next level. Monday i was a cutted wreck in artificial coma, 6 days later i’m feeling like Herakles with almost no traces of the surgery on the face ^^ I’m even getting muscles without any sport lol Still have the mouth soldered and taking all with a syringe, so let me compensate in talking with the hands buddy lol
I wish that i will convince you at one point to bless the 24/0. I’m a patient man ^^
You’re enough in ease with this plant to handle the full throttle turn over, then open perspective for seeds rounds lol It’s coubertin, i announce my sane attentions 
Smart, little volume are more sensitive and can’t contain enough buffers to lower regulation. And you can even think about teas if you’re in this vein (not me), i known a catalan that simply integrated his teas around the air stone and it was fucking efficient in term of productivity and regulation.
My whole science in teas turn around nettles, i love this shit but i’m not enough hipster to give energy on this. More priority for constant traits mapping.
Perfect sauce. How you balanced it ? I mean what was your intellectual starting point to reach this balance ?
Overload this flo space damn, i’m now like a big fan of Fallout waiting the film in looking in loop the teasers lol
God not simple to don’t extend it too much. Let’s try.
The slime you’re seeing, considering what i see on the aerial side, is the alkaloid activity of roots. They don’t only “pump”, they also make secretions and fill their medium with it to buffer it. Maybe a symbiosis with the algae (fate of the rockwhool, full of o² that algea are loving as fuck).
Keep it clean for now, it’s a good reflex. Until you discover the interaction that produce this “too much”. Maybe the exotic photoperiod 
(joke).
Well i scrolled a bit but i don’t find your complete toolset of nutes. Please add this on the first page as reminder lol
Can’t comment on salts build up (most of the time i read this, specially with coco coir, it’s bad understanding and aiming the fake enemy). Rockwhool is known to can handle brutal feeding with hardcore nutes like GHE without any problem on this side, and good outputs. But the menu is important to know, sometimes a little detail change the equation totally. Your water is fine-screened in bonus … but i’ve an arg to have your list more practical to consult afterward during the flo lol ^^
I find the guy controversial, but not on this subject. You know my point : it’s all about the adaptation to the given genetics, and i prone the autonomy of the genetic in term of drift to lower the hardiness of human regulation in term of PH.
The P complotism (lol) is a real thing. Most of PK boosters are 13/14 and not specially accurate for cannabis that don’t need specially these levels to crystalize well. Canna (the brand) have its secret sauce to make it work heavenly, just the best PK booster of the market since 20 years now. Like the coca cola recipe, i never found an edge to reverse engineer the thing.
And it’s true, very quantic ^^ The ecosystem matter a lot for the uptake at this level of consideration.
Not really on the subject but it’s a point i dodged because too tired previously. There is a safe rule inherited from industrial constraints that apply quite universally.
Consider any tank (of any volume) with a lifespan of ten days top. After this limit of time, you have to empty it, wash it with aggressive stuff (not soda or battery acids you get it ^^) then dry it with forced air directly.
I’m more on the blumat gang, but still apply. In hydro i only swear by NFT with high slopes degrees (to don’t use O² pumps and to tract roots), matter of preference considering my use. Just to show my colors.
A grodan block don’t have to be flushed, it don’t have any sense buddy. The CEC et o² exchange are at the highest rate of any other medium, it’s like entering in a vaccum room to refresh your lung if you want. You have to dig the sauce and the interaction of the formulations, no choice buddy. Boosted rockwhool grow : the skills of a streamlined inertia.
I strictly hate to take vegetables as an example to explain a flower plant like canna, it’s stupid, but tomatoes are totally spot on to explain the hardening of canna clones. Everything you can learn on this subject (tomatoes clones hardenning) will improve your skills of the preparation of thick SOG canna clones, i promise this on the bill VAT included lol
You have to know why you’re hardenning these clones fist. It’s not an innocent operation, i personnally use it with seedlings to have the fattest expression of yield but also to screen herms earlier.
In the ancient world, it’s a method we used only with the validated mother plants to increase to the max the grammer/day ratio of the rounds.
Don’t slow down ^^ Unleash the fucking hell damned. More rounds, more weed per year, more food for the ego, more fuel happy ^^
It’s the SPG that is talking, very good sign for the dankness balance (terps). To cheat the genetic when i had this nightmare of motherplant i just sprayed after one week a low N foliar on the cut to stimulate them. Don’t do this as a common trick, it’s specifical.
Read some stuff on tomatoes, and we will be back at this discussion. Hardening canna clones is a special matter and you have to really justify this on the whole grow. It’s all about scratching every single gram you can in an already max-tunned environement, to make you a spoiler.
Fucking hell, this level of auxin activity in apex is just porn for me. And look at this healthy silk.
Keep it engineered ^^ I still bet on the weed of the one that don’t rooted in term of yield, just a feeling and an auto-challenge of early detection considering the pedigree.
Finally !!! But i have to be rude, you screwed the planning. Fill your flo like a one man army, you’re in hydro. Don’t play pussy, even if the clones don’t look ready. Stretch is not your enemy and can be an ally, it help to regulate in boosting auxins stock within two weeks and it lower the sensibility of plants if you have to be pushy (foliar).
A streamlined zone in term of turn over should be your first grand priority no matter what, it’s very important past the middle flo stage for the grade of your weed and fine tuned nutes schedule and regulation (EC/PH/temps).
Now i know … i will get a shit storm if i comment. Your dedication deserve hydro stuff that look expensive but that are more economical to use. And that can’t be detected in my blunts ^^ Take care about the K patchs when they will stop to stretch and start to build up the ping pong balls, it’s a no return situation for the grade of your weed if the patches are set with this line. I mean spinach ^^ I don’t remember if it’s in the B like usual, but be ready to unbalance at the right time (the one i quoted).
Throw me stones now lol, I assume.
It’s not strategic during the stretch switch, but i trust your feelings and i’m curious to see the effect on the SPG dominant specimens to be honest ^^ Don’t listened me please for now lol
No, you need to handle averages and their deltas ^^ I know how feel control freaks like you that want real time stuff, don’t hide behind your little finger lol
Chemical tension yeah. Just like old battery work ^^ Since a californian introduced me to humic and fulvic game, i hate the zyms i loved so much … but sometimes it’s a good cheat. After a surgical cleaning.
If you flush your rockwool, you loose the game. In-ert-ia, engrave it, make it a poster, get a tatoo lol
They are wounded and burned, but it’s canna. Cut patiently around the dry necrosis even if it look like shit, spray some “magic green” H&G type of stuff twice a day (mid day + just before the extinction with full throttle RVK pumping).
Fight this daemon of control freak, it’s all the vegetal mass now buddy. Canna is not a tree, the metabolism can be totally changed in 48hrs with high assimilable nutes.
Make this tank buffer asap, i think you have enough proofs that it was a good idea now right ?
Breeder steve signature at its golden age, plants that grow on mars. I totally vampirized it’s philosophy in term of dominance and pitiless screening specifically for this. And i breed plants that grow PH free both in soil and coco now ^^
They say bullshit, rockwool have to be buffered at 5.5 no matter what. I even say with air stones, to be sure that the buffering is stable and don’t need more time.
Trust this guy, he explain better the concept of inertia with rockwhool that the barbarian i am.
We just don’t agree on the violence of the flush in this medium for canna. Nice input buddy, i took notes ^^
I don’t know what you have done but i already see an light improvement, a dynamic to be clear.
And these 6 block alone … you make me cry now.
You falled on the sect of obsessional defoliators ^^ Cannabis prefer by far that you cut the necrotic bits over to remove the whole leaf. Even if it look like shit and that you don’t understand how the fuck it can proceed photosynthesis with 5 millimeters of green on the petiole.
The two in the center removed was legit, the two others should be trimmed instead.
Situation is under control now, these little stressful times make you better. No big deal, jah is watching you lol
Masterpiece ^^
Ok now i love you, save his soul please. I’m just an aptus freak that can’t help to make him see the light ^^.
I think it’s because new hydro users are too used by the osmosis of soil exchange, and that they extrapolate badly the root activity. Just my theory.
But the beast is back ^^ God bless cures that are frightening on the paper lol
Shoot, i’m on fire. I’m very radical on this matter by a lot of try and fails, be prevented.
And i’m very picky on the spectrum potential of my stuff, no pity for any unplanned variation. Take it in count for your grid of reading.
Let me use a youngster mode of communication.
At least one more …
I hate LEDs, but i must say that your panel rox. Recovery is helped.
It’s all about textures and be never be fooled by the colors in hydro. If there is shiny silk, hard tips extremity that don’t break on the finger (very gently pressed) but brown → healthy and pumping.
The silicium compound i criticized before (because used in stretch) actually help the recovery of the tips and increase its speed. Si is like the diamond on the electric drill meshs, they don’t need it in hydro but it help them to stretch vigorously and then , get more dry weed on the balance later. It’s not a trick, it’s fine tunning on optimal conditions like hardening clones.
Yeah finally !!! We have to frenchize him a bit and give him a touch of the flo horde spirit ^^
AK47 compadre ^^ She SOG like a good dutchie in bonus.
thx for the edit buddy, i appreciate. you know wich one i’m watching now lol Don’t cut Si please ^^
best vibes FE, and please … unleash the hell lol
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That was a good one 
Keep going like that and you’ll have such a quality smoke that your neuroticism will be a thing of the past 
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Glad to hear you are feeling well after your operation. You seem quite competent talking with your hands again 
Going to try and mostly avoid making this a line-by-line, but it will surely become a wall of text.
I’ll modify my damage abatement procedure to just clip damaged sections rather than leaves. If I severed a finger I wouldn’t want my arm amputated.
The concept of the vegetal mass or tissue containing all the active nutrition is one I was just coming to terms with learning about feeding for mother plants/cuttings. More K, more hormones active in plant. When it’s a cut that’s all it’s got. Same applies generally, just hadn’t zoomed out on this concept more. Was using a microscopic perspective.
I’m quite curious about the correlation of the hard-to-root stuff being special in terms of the “dankness balance.”
I arrived at those figures based on literature suggesting the following concepts: Increasing K (in this case by 40ppm), providing supplemental hormones (particular interest in auxins, although seaweed extract seems rich in many other hormones), and providing thiamin to encourage rooting. I wanted the overall strength moderate enough to not burn the plant material hence the 6.0pH and low EC. I’ve read many sources suggesting full-strength, and others suggesting moderation during this phase. I opted towards moderation. Generally I rarely stray from this, tendency, a pensive nature when attempting new things. As you have noticed many times
On the nutrition topic in general…what a confusing mess this is, particularly in the cannabis space. So, I’m using Megacrop 2-part as you read later in the postings. The reasoning for this is not economy, it’s that they provide a functional calculator for a nerd like me to calculate things I, in fairness, don’t need to know. It’s probably obvious by now that economy is not much a consideration in this operation, but I don’t particularly like spending money when I feel the difference is not going to be perceptible (from a functional, usage perspective). My mind plays tricks frequently on me here, not much I can do to avoid it other than decide-as-I-go. But I am aware there is a psychological factor in operation. For example, I didn’t want to spend $100 on an ORP pen. Or $600 on a PAR meter. Why? Those likely aren’t tools that will define my success or failure. The pH pen? Sure, no hesitation shelling out $100. My logical process now defined, let’s apply the analogy to nutrients. As I’ve gone along this road, I’ve gotten more into reading the labels. The proliferation of dozens of brands of nutrients, all selling things very similar in composition, all having a slew of internet successes and failures, is straight-up CONFUSING. The availability of a calculator by which I can view all elements and their ratios, including the micronutrients, is what sold me on MegaCrop. The other systems are more secretive/guarded. I appreciate the transparency of MegaCrop. And, based on my readings/listenings about nutrition, the ratios look good. The balance of micronutrients looks good. So, that decision was made based on transparency, and secondarily, the fact that other nutrient lines don’t seem to present an obvious benefit to their cost other than fueling large marketing budgets. Perhaps it makes no sense. Fundamentally, there are many things I don’t understand.
Now, the popular “high-end” brand here in the USA seems to be Athena. Several folks heartily recommend it and I’ve developed a curiosity for it. I think somehow the formulation permits running larger ECs without developing issues. And purportedly the raw material quality is high. The documentation is also very thorough. I’ve been considering it for the last two months. I’m not stuck on MegaCrop at all. I’m open to whatever. Just kinda frustrated with all the options and no clear mechanism by which to make a better decision. I think as I learn more about chemistry and biology these lines should become easier to draw.
My current inventory of stuff is:
-MegaCrop 2-Part (A and B)
-Greenleaf Sea-K
-Grow Genius Monosilicic Acid
-Dynagrow pH Down
-GH pH Up
-SuperThrive Vitamin B Supplement
-And a ton of shit for organic outdoor growing. Bins of various meals, guanos, gypsum, myco products. That’s the majority of my fertilizer stock - organics.
After re-reading @m0sirys post the balancing of the EC makes considerably more sense. As you go, you learn new things that allow more information to be processed mentally. Or at least that’s the way it goes for me.
100% the case. Soil is the only thing I have used before.
It’s pretty well pounded into my head now. My neck hurts there’s not much between my ears left except well-fertigated rockwool 
Will do. Appreciate the tip!
LOL. So there’s going to be 9 clones in the next few days. If I take your suggestion to just mercilessly throw them in there, ready or not, tomorrow. And in a week or two, solo cups filled with mapito to make up the balance of space. That’ll let me try 12/12 from sprout with full-throttle nutrition. Just to see, and I wanted to participate in the community contest. Rest assured, it will be full.
On the topic of my poor planning, yes, fully in agreement there. When I started this endeavor in the final days of December, I expected to be at the place I’m at today approximately 2-3 weeks ago. Slowly, my obsessive [and incorrect] planning is giving way to comprehension of what is happening within this plant based on what I do (right and wrong) to them. Same thing happened to me outdoors first couple grows. Learning to listen rather than expect them to follow my commands. They don’t do that 
If I keep going like this my brain will self-destruct, also rendering the neuroticism a thing of the past.
Really appreciate the intellectual stimulation. My time for typing at the computer is shortly coming to a halt as the kiddo wakes up from her nap. Cheers!
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ahah well the week has been a bit intense. And that’s a lot to ingest at once. Once your brain will be calcified with this knowledge you’ll be fine
Enjoy your kido!
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I hate anthropomorphism with cannabis, but it’s a stellar mnemonic buddy.
Sorry for the blur, i was too fast in the comment. It’s entirely correlated with the pedigree of the cross and the supposed (by me) rate of SPG in the hybrid, on which you commented the comparative performance of cloning. It wasn’t generalist at all.
Short version and to pay back my laziness, all shortcuts saying “all plants that do this will give progeny like this” is a total bullshit. Each genotype have to be mapped specifically to record/track the linked traits. Then, you use the patterns mapped to recognize the “bits” inside the hybrids you’re inbreeding (by example).
So to simplify, a runtz is a watered down SPG. SPG being the initial flavor that people think as a creation (like skittles also), any sign of the inherent grow of the initial injection (the SPG cut) is the sign of more torque of what define the SPG : the amazing terps.
Second layer, the more these hybrids will grow like shit and will be difficult to handle in nutes feeding program, the more change you will get the character of the SPG parent. Because it’s just a nightmare to grow and clone. Very simplified, but you get the idea.
Don’t select specifically hard to clone specimens to have the best terps, it’s not a good strategy. And in general, to talk again about breeder steve lol, never mix grow performances and weed quality in your selection. It’s a fear of missing out that proved to be totally stupid, better to select the same terps profiles in the most vigorous and resistant specimens… because it simply express stronger in the more reliable DNA. It just ask more patience and screening, but it’s always worse the ride.
The work of breeder steve on the sweet tooth #3 by example is the total opposite of what you can expect, it’s a BX of SPG on the blueberry. Two difficult lines to grow, but he make it a champ of grow full of terps just by a wise manner to handle linked traits. I fucking digressed there lol sorry
I understand more how you think now, it’s cool. I’m disturbed by the sequence you took, look like hacking lol, but i totally understand the rational way that got you this sauce. Thanks for the inner share. I don’t know if you link it with an instinct or not, but grow it it’s efficient ^^
It’s a very hot topic over there, discussion about this brand can become very heated. Like very very heated.
Not doubting about you one second, you know me now.
I totally understand your angle. Sincerely. But … it’s also a part of the counter-marketing ^^ David VS Goliath technic etc …
I’m more receptive to people using NFTG for the same reason by example, just because you can enter in cup a weed grown with their nutes. Not free promotion and i hate to make publicity for nothing, i throw it because their line is totally useless in hydro lol, so my intentions are insured to be chemically pure for your own personal interest ;o)
I personally change brands like shirts. But it’s always for long period and always to be more and more competitive in term of grade of the weed. I’m extremely picky about the rate of assimilation and the printfoot of nutes … i’ve a competitive mind.
I’m too raw to help you at this stage on this, and if i start to talk about cups too much it will become very arrogant for nothing. m0syris shown without wanting it that he perfectly know what i’m talking about with MC ^^, some references don’t lie lol
Just take care this round, and unbalance the K part at the right time. I’m very serious, you deserve the grade of weed of all this dedication and passion. And in hydro a high assimilable nutrients is the state of the art, transparency don’t make quality in general … don’t be fooled by white knights that sell you something because the others are devils.
Thanks for the list by the way, it will help me to better understand your flowering stage while in full bloom. And eventually suggest things to handle the lag you have between specimens.
I’m raw and direct, but not that directive. It’s in fact prevention for the late stage in term of grade, the moment you dry the weed and all the magic happens.
Think your hydro always in two times, like motorcycles engine mono cylinders.
1st sequence : packing the veg with the slots you want to fill in flo space. The difficulty with multi-strain is to streamline their hormonal stage (development, nodes count, uptake rate, photosynthesis/sugar/brix effiscience).
2nd sequence : everybody go in flo at the same stage of maturity, the same day. It’s very important for tha quality of your weed because you can’t feed independently each specimen. It’s why i never breed in hydro, sometimes i’ve to push, unbalance a specimen to get a given answer outside the group.
And hydro in seeds is enough difficult by the inherent problematic of the unique DNA of each plants, and this fucked era no longer able to produce stable genetics. But beta versions that grow chaotic lol
Read me well, i critic your imposed constraints. Not you and not your sense of timing.
Use full throttle your golden fingers at cloning, maybe push a little mother plant in a corner … just to give you the satisfaction to have a tailored hydro-weed pushed in its genetic limits. Little victories collection lead to great battles.
Kiss the kids, they grow way too fast before you figure out ^^
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Yea. Was wondering if two of the “smaller” one, like you got. Would fit on a 10x20 heat mat. I know they’re supposed to be 9x14, but turned the right way would there be too much overhang with the extra 4 inches (2 on either side) of the mat, I wonder?
Hard to know what to believe now. The marketing images are wrong, people have pointed it out in reviews (amazon.ca) and the CSR I just spoke with was totally useless and not listening. Good luck to anyone who has to chat with her.
Anyways.
Just want to make sure here, but you know that’s no different than any other elemental ppm calculator like hydrobuddy, right? Well, the only difference being that it’s their own, for their own fertilizer, so it might be more accurate for their own fertilizer (which is, of course, the only fertilizer it works for), because they’ve entered the GMA numbers themselve and you don’t have to do that. I can just add their GMA numbers to hydrobuddy right now and not have to use their calculator/website… I’m sure you know this but the way you said this made me wonder.
Oh - I think I get you now. Sorta.
Me too.
Things looking good, man.
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Just gonna put this here (I’m sure I’ve shared it with you before) to try and instigate: https://scienceinhydroponics.com/2023/01/connecting-a-low-cost-tdr-moisture-content-ec-temp-sensor-to-a-nodemcuv3.html
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I couldn’t take not knowing what was going on in the medium anymore and ordered the parts for this a couple weeks ago (minus the Node, but wifi would be awesome). I’ll let ya know how it goes. Maybe @FieldEffect will put one together and show us how it’s supposed to be done! 
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I wish someone would make a dome where the dome’s lip went inside of the tray’s lip instead of around the outside. The condensation always runs down the wall and then leaks out from the capillary effect. I have mine sitting on an upside down tote lid to prevent the water from dripping on my floor.
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It’s wild how stupid some designs are, isn’t it. It’s like they go out of their way…it’s such an oversight. Nobody in the company has used a clone tray/dome?
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I had misinterpreted that quite a bit, but I have been tracking the SPG commentary in general.
It’s interesting to me that the terps are found with the otherwise weaker genetics in the line. I’ve heard it several times before, different lines. The crazy-terp keepers are more frequently, seemingly, the runts (pun not so intended but funny to me right now) of the litter. Almost a common theme. I figured perhaps there was broader substance to the concept. Perhaps there is beyond the SPG, although that has been the example in this discussion.
Certainly I wouldn’t think selecting for slowest rooting and lowest vigor overall a wise strategy. I think that would be a deleterious plan overall. Although there is frequent mention of the more common technique of creating two lines for selection and eventual recombination, say a crazy terp line and a vigorous goliath plant line, then recombine once independently stable. “Classical” breeding so the speak.
In general, I’m fascinated by these experiential commentaries. We (I) can learn a lot from past roads already trodden.
I was doping them for clone performance. I’d be quickly barred from the olympics at this rate
On the nutes, I’m still confused as F. I’m going to play completely ignorant because the more I read the more I feel I actually am ignorant. The way I see this, is that I need to get experience growing plants. My issue right now, and for the last 2-3 years, has been that it’s really difficult to ingest information without the correct “frame” to process it. There is a TON of information. And I can’t take it all in a process it successfully. Sure, some pieces get through, but others slip through the cracks. But it’ll click on the next grow, etc. I can reread that Marijuana Botany book twice a year for the next 5 years and probably collect new tidbits to complete my mental puzzle each time.
If we set the branding aside, when you say “unbalance the K” at the right time I assume you mean increasing the availability as flowering progresses, and reducing N. The dilemma that seems obvious is that most K boosting compounds have abundant P, which may not help as much the dense, delicious flower we seek. Is that the fundamental concept here? I need some help understanding. In this case, simplification does me little benefit. I don’t know enough to read between the lines.
In living soil, K abundance is trivial. Compost has shit loads of it (another bad pun, I know), and in my native soil we have cations like K in such excess they almost become problematic to balance around. So, it’s not a problem I have much. Outdoors my issues are nitrogen and phosphorous, and the things I’ve learned more to dance with.
I understand the point you make about the difficulty tapering nutrient schedule when there are a bunch of different cultivars, at different stages in life. This is a grand (to me, not to everyone is 0.4 sqm “grand”) experiment. The real goal here is the acquisition of knowledge and experience. Sure, I want to get some decent weed. Mistakes are going to be made, I’m living with that
I’ve got a lifetime of growing ahead of me. This is among my first steps on the path. And it fucking rules that I can pop on here and so many folks help me along. I’ve had many hobbies, most only last 2-3 years before most of the depth is plumbed and I get bored. Here I am at year 3 growing cannabis just getting my shovel dirty. I think it’s going to be a long-term thing.
I certainly do appreciate the critical feedback and commentary. I don’t read any of this in any way offensively, rather as someone with decades of experience bridging a language gap to communicate several complicated but subtle concepts to someone ambitious and curious. I welcome this discussion totally. Perhaps I ramble too much. My mind is tired tonight.
I think it would be tolerable. I put an insulator under the heat mat to get better performance.
I think the key point here is that this decision was made before I even knew of hydrobuddy. It provides little relevance now. But when I was shopping around, getting into hydro, it seemed really nice of them to provide that. NOW, months later, more fundamental comprehension of chemistry, sure. I mostly use my own calculator but like we’ve chatted about it’s difficult to perform some of the computations HB provides. Like EC prediction.
@Nitt @NoCal I just ordered 2 of the THCPH-S sensors (temp, moisture, EC, pH). You’ll be seeing them here when they arrive, it’ll be interesting just to hook one up and look. I’ll probably just log data on my PC for a while, it’s a whole 3’ away from my closet
That’s a great point. I wonder if I can make a faux lip with some tape folded on itself. 
Anyway, cheers guys. Have a great night. The tent looked great this morning but I was in a hurry and couldn’t write a thoughtful post. I’m exhausted now but had some down time to write something nearly meaningful.
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Pain is kicking as fuck suddenly, a peak, bone’s fusion time at 5am. Like tectonic plates. I’ve hardcore stuff at my disposition but my tolerance build so fast that if i use too often, i’m screwed for good. 3 more months to last … lean management.
So you definitely have the hacker spirit lol You hacked my brain with your questions, it’s fucking helping greatly right now.
True, it’s an old “meme” that even in my begins was kicking the scene. DJ Short finalized this belief as fuck with one of the most used genetic material, here we lived the Blueberry wave more in the very early 2000’s to make a chronology. The line is a nightmare by default (herms, auto-destructive mutations, vigor in the socks …) and it’s the price of the incredible faculty of this genetic to produce a so complete spectrum of chemotypes. As it, but also in almost all hybrids it produce. And this, without a crushing domination. It offer recurrent singularity that keep their own identity. Sweet Tooth #3 kick like a “peruvian bush” when boosted in potency, Blue dream is making you losing your shit every quarter of hour (“dizzy” style but enough soft to have strong medicinal value) … well each hit have its identity, it’s not like the thin mint that you can recognize quite easily in all hybrids as global pattern : terp/stone type combo printed.
You got it then that it was very specific and a pattern trigger for me, but be ready for the pathetic generalist side ^^ In term of occurrences, mutants and freaks don’t produce more or don’t produce less specific singularities in fact. Stoners do.
When you start to have screened a bunch of different stuff, you realize fast that it’s more a question of constraints that a question of reliable breeding trick. Getting a shitty plant that offer a fine weed is not that hard, even if rare mathematically. Getting a good plant with a fine weed ask more dedication, and try and fails.
I hope you don’t expected an epiphany on this subject, the reality is less shiny that it appear. But i like it, it show also that we work all in adverse conditions.
Now there a bunch of counter example : the Cheese grow on mars, the OGK is a beautiful plant, the Sour Diesel is just majestic and marvelous in eat any EC you give lol … it’s easy to figure out that it’s not a golden road. At least for my philosophy, i don’t judge people fascinated by runts and mutation and turning their breeding on it. I will be sad if the Blueberry don’t existed.
That’s the common way yes. Splitting the efforts to reduce the pressure (then, the intensity of compromises).
Still not the only way of course, i’m from the church of inbreeding, stabilization and 3ways cattle technics (quite traditional). I very rarely work from an F1 than i make evolve in an IBL. F1s are for me more the final stage. It don’t mean that i never consider it, it’s just comfort zones and opportunities that offer the plants. And when you have the tendency to choose the same profile of plants (because sane preferences), it mechanically narrow your specialization then the method used.
Nice one ^^
Before juggling with bottles, i was mostly feeding the plants with low release pellets (sheep poo). But i had the insane chance to have been formed by a crazy swiss to most of dutch brands in an exotic way : without EC meter and PH free ^^ He just learned me to read the plants, their green, their texture etc … he poisoned me with the love of NFT too for hydro lol I swear by it only when i’ve a space to play for weed only.
Not saying it’s a golden road again, it was just perfect at this time for me and for breeding … that was and still the main purpose of growing cannabis for me, not really the weed.
A just middle can be found i think, without compromising your love of an engineered lab. It’s why i mnemonico-psychologico-subliminalo suggested you to focus on your averages and their deltas, and the inertia of assimilation. I know for an american it’s hard to listen but cannabis don’t fear deficiencies, its DNA is actually made for it and proven even this way to be a stunning depolluting agent of soil. They planted cannabis at Tchernobyl to test it ^^ No joke, and it fucking worked well. Heavy metals too and others trash stuff.
God i take risks there for you lol Unfortunately the brand have to be totally included in my advise. It’s specific to this feeding. And it’s literally what i said, dodging the K toxicity that happen fast with this line in lowering the K part (sorry i forgot which one) at the stage of the plant described (ping pong balls stage). So, unbalanced in favor of the N.
I know it look weird, but trust me in the blunts it make a great difference. As fuck. It even affect the curing.
I’m not a chem freak but i think the ballast salts are in cause, or maybe the kind of source of the K used that create this saturation so fast. The exact same problematic happens with Hesi nutes, in much worse (everything you grow with this brand taste like a rusty spoon lol).
God it’s a good test for your growlog ^^ Shitstorm or not ? lol
Totally. The reason is silly again, it’s mostly due to an industrial constraint of production. And i’m still frustrated to don’t know the secret of Canna on this matter ^^ Maybe one day i will try to flirt with a chemist of this company to hack this , don’t tell to my wife ^^
Now if i grow with an amino-L based line (instead ballast or Ca) it’s not because it’s trendy, this brand is in bonus the less understood of the market lol So the less documented and shared ^^ It’s just because it fit what i’m doing now to express/select the profile of flowers that i need for my little projects.
It’s what i advise to you, to take the time to ask yourself what is the most important in term of nutrients for a given period (it will evolve), then … ignoring all the web noise and bible’s sellers. Just trusting your instinct for the next ride.
Generally it’s better to use a whole line because it’s balanced on purpose, but nothing say too that you can’t pick and mix. With breeding constraints i can’t, i need minimalist and streamlined feedings … but one more time it’s all about your own context and goals.
But for sure with rockwool you need good stuff very assimilable, more specialized i mean.
I’m totally sure on this since our first exchange ^^
No, i need it. I’ve a kind angel around here that prevent me when i’m too direct, i try to work on it. I just have the impression to lie and to let people in the shit if i don’t say what i’ve to say. Not like a white knight, but like someone that see a bug and that can’t let it trash the code ^^ Or an herm not culled lol
Same here, i love these techie-freaks ^^
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@Fuel I’ll get back at you when I have some time to sit and think
Flower begins to show, today is day 5 of 12/12.
I have the 3 slow to take hold cuts on the veg side getting rooting juice (doping strategy). I fear they won’t yet survive the flower side although the temptation to throw them into the fire is strong. Veg side is going to get another reservoir drain tomorrow. Still recovering from my mistakes of 10 days ago but they are steadily improving.
Cheers.
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i think everything looks good again! they clearly show that they are doing better! you can see that they want to do there thing! 
@Fuel I like the way you see and approach things 
wish you all a great day!
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I know. My gentle nudge might have helped - I hope it did.
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No purple stems, no purple petioles. Very nice.
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Moved the slow clones to flower this AM. They are exactly a week behind. Easy to keep track of, probably poor timing for spiking ferts at strategic times. I’m sure they aren’t going to be pleased with this, or maybe they will. Either way, it’s time. They have roots out the bottom of the 10cm cube.
Speaking of which, I’ve got some ideas there (spiking certain plants with different nutes at different times), but none outstandingly brilliant. Needs some more time to ferment in my mind.
Anyway, back row left 3 are 907 Blue Genes x Shiskaberry #3, the right-hand side column is Runtz x Sour Bubble, and the front left 3 are 907 Blue Genes x NL#1.
You’ll note N#2 is slow and pissed, N3 is behind a bit and N4 is keeping up with the back row. Despite being most temperamental as small seedlings the Shiska crosses are the strongest cuts and rooted quite happily. None of the Runtz x Sour Bubble cuts have rooted as quickly, nor have the apparent vigor of the other lines.
When I look at the pictures I can see the resemblance of the crosses to their mom, who exhibited a very dense internodal structure and high leaf density. Momma looked primordial and wild compared to modern cultivars. That should actually be the case, the parental lines to the 907 Blue Genes are old. But I love the terps and effects she had. Great smoke.
On the veg side, I’ve been watering manually until I can clean out the trays and reservoir now that things are recovered for the most part. Made some weed salad thinning things out this AM, here’s how it looks now.
I suspect the yellowing will go away as I increase the EC back to what it was before the “incident” They’ve been getting kid glove treatment for a while now.
^^Summary of neuroticsm. Not sure I trust ORP measurement yet.
@NoCal @Nitt we’ll get groovy with the sensor. Think initially I’ll just hook it up and use MATLAB or python to collect data. Then decide about making something WiFi. I hope it’s not potted so I can take it apart.
@m0sirys appreciate the input and help when I made trouble for myself.
@Fuel finally have ruminated about the nutrition thing for a while.
This is hilarious. But probably actually true, our culture is very individualistic as a whole. I find a strong irony in the tribalism of the political parties. People are weird animals. Fuck, I’m probably one of the weirdest ones.
Fuck I must be retarded. Why would I get K toxicity lowering K? I wouldn’t be suprised if I got K toxicity and Ca deficiency if I lowered N, is that what you mean? Or, if I use a generic PK booster I could easily wind up with K toxicity.
Right now, the recommended doseages of MC are yielding an effective N:P:K ratio of about 12:7:16. So I’m high on N right now, as recommended by MC - but it looks out of line with other stuff with better reputations. A quick survey of some options…
- Canna Flores is about 3-4-10 with a big shot of PK during flower development, consistent with your comments about K, I think anyway.
- MC is 8-12-28 base but works out to about 12-7-16 at recommended constant flower doseage
- Athena Pro is constant in flower 9-8-15
Another aspect of the selection of MC was that I was initially attracted to Jack’s 3-2-1. Lots of success with that online, and looked easy enough for me to manage when I started. MC appeared basically the same without the epsom salt and some extra goodies.
Overall, the initial goal was to have one feed for the whole flower cycle start-to-finish. So that I could have the flexibility to exchange plants on the table and not worry about individual feeds. Of course that means compromise in other areas. No such thing as a free lunch.
I’m going to continue reading and thinking. Again, my lack of experience with this is a big hinderance to my knowledge uptake capability.
Cheers and have a great day. It’s going to be a long one for me but today is my “Friday” and I can’t wait for the weekend. Scrubdown of veg hardware tomorrow and hopefully reach a conclusion about fertilizers.
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