FieldEffect's Attempt to Grow Indoors

Canna Vega Water/pH Investigation:

Jug 1: Water EC 0.170mS, 9g A, 9g B. Initial pH 4.52, EC 1.32mS. Added 3mL pH UP yielding 5.52pH.
Jug 2: Water EC 0.170mS, 9g A, 9g B. Initial pH 4.54, EC 1.30mS. Added 3mL pH UP yielding 5.52pH
Jug 3: Water EC 0.028mS, 9g A, 9g B. Initial pH 3.41, EC 1.37mS. +3mL pH UP yields 3.57pH. +3mL 3.95pH, +3mL 5.16pH, +2mL 5.75pH. So about 10mL of pH UP per gallon to get above 5.2, 11 overshot 5.5 and hit 5.75pH

For reference the RO pH is 6.5, tap pH is 7.8.

I think I should be running half filtered tap and half RO with the Canna Aqua Vega line. It requires 1/3 the amount of pH UP to put in the 5.5pH region. RO needs 3x that. Next res fill I’ll do that, but for now I’m running Jug 1 and Jug 2.

We think alike in this regard, I opened a conversation with Canna yesterday morning. Part of the reason for the experiment was to gather more careful numbers to supply them. Thanks for chiming in, I’ll look into the humic acid :sunglasses:

The Garden:

Is fine. Seeds are popping, clones recovering and flowering plants stretching. The Flores nutes in the flower side are pretty much same reading as yesterday. Solid. They are less acidic and less concerning than the Vega.

I put a micro wavemaker water circulator in the flower res, it’s really nice mixing nutes and taking measurements. Little airstone too. Took a video into the portal just to show what it looks like

res circ

Cheers guys, have a wonderful day!

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To ask them if the PH+ of GHE is fully assimilable ? ^^

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To ask about the whole situation. Explained I was switching to Canna Aqua line, noticed this pH paradigm shift compared to what I had been using. I just replied to their email with the data I posted above. They inquired about detailed EC/pH figures, now supplied and confirmed. I explained I’m trying to find out if 10mL/gallon of pH UP is acceptable or if I should be mixing RO/tap for a higher starting EC so that less PH+ is required. I supplied the information that I was using the GH pH Up product and had concerns it supplied surplus K in undesireable quantities, but I wanted their opinion on what would be a tolerable level to avoid negative interaction with their nutrient line. So the inquiry is framed as “can you please advise me on how to proceed with Aqua Vega”

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One pH up option is Athena Balance. Piles on the silica, and is even available in powder form, which is kind of fun to mix, thermogenic reaction yeeee ha! Good stuff tho, girls love it big time.

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You can clone those garden plants just like the weed plant. Tomatoes and basil being the easiest!

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https://scienceinhydroponics.com/2021/03/standard-hydroponic-formulations-from-the-scientific-literature.html?print=pdf

-If you’re gonna go for a jacks, masterblend, or one of these more “big ag brand” blends, I’d suggest one of the newer “0-X-X” blends. For obvious reasons(?).
-If you’re gonna try a more…“boutique(?) brands” like athena I don’t have first hand experience.

I agree. Push him over over to the “custom” side. I’d start a creepy chant of “one of us, one of us”, but in truth I’m just gearing up to actually start the custom stuff soon. I’ve had the salts for a long time.

Possibly. I don’t really have to use it, ever. Though, I may have been underfeeding. Anyways, mine is “potassium hydroxide”.

I think you should go the “custom blend” route. You have access to everything, being in the US, and places like CustomHydroNutrients so you don’t even have to start off buying 25Lb bags of stuff. It’s not a lot of “ingredients” needed to start playing with it. It’s probably the control you want, too.

I wanted to post a shot of the table from the article, but I’ve spent hours playing with libreoffice and can’t get it to do basic things so I’m fed up with it.

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Hey guys!

@BigF thanks for the suggestion.

@JoeCrowe LOL I didn’t even count the ones last year. I’d just top the basil and stick it in the ground adjacent to the plant and have two plants. Some flowers too. Nature works amazingly well.

@Nitt

In general, you are correct. I think that’ll come later though. I’m pushing my capacity for knowledge uptake rate at the moment. So, right now, I’m looking for something I don’t think about. Learn about growing inside, get the gardens ready outside, and THEN I’ll bite off the hydro nutrient thing a bit further. That’s why I haven’t already gone this route. I was hoping the nutrient thing was something I didn’t have to think about much yet. YET being the keyword. It’ll come, you are 100% there :rofl:

GARDEN UPDATE:

Generally the ladies are happy on the Canna Flores. No issues on the flower side but I’m wondering what to do about the height disparity, pruning and lighting. I’m figuring out why people SOG identical clones with the same timing. Avoid this issue.

The most vigorous 907 Blue Genes x NL#1 cross is exhibiting a squashed stem and wide apical flower characteristics.


The moms were getting a bit too dense for their own comfort, so trimmed them up to encourage more shoots. The objective is to only have a couple of these left after flowering all the kiddos out on the other side.

Before-ish cleanup (forgot to take a pic, realized I should around the second plant there):

After:

I figured out what I’m going to do with the acidic Canna Vega nutes. I’ll just mix 1L of filtered water with 2.8L of RO for each gallon of nutes I mix up. I installed a tap and hose on the RO system pre-filter output (just before the one-way valve into the RO membrane). Now I have two valves and I can dispense either conventionally filtered or RO easily into buckets.

I’m indicating an EC of 0.23mS with my hybrid water, which will produce a useable pH with no adjustment based on my experiments. I did a lot of playing yesterday and this morning. The gist is simple, I’m adjusting my water carbonate level to pre-balance the pH. This will preserve the integrity of the formulation, and has been good fundamental chemistry practice. I get closer to understanding things with each challenge I create/encounter.

Cheers guys, have a great weekend. It’s my weekend anyway. Going to change the CVT fluid on the car today content that the plants are chugging away. I need to read the threads on SOG again still haven’t gotten to it but my flowering clones are reasserting their mental priority.

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Hi field at day +/_ 21 flower i defoil all the lower leafs and leave only the top 3 sets till +/_ day 49 and take off the leafs that shadow the other plants

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First pic is at 49 days

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And keep it simple😉


With this way of growing you have to defoil!!! There will be enough leaf and dont forget you grow bud in a pot you dont grow plants if you want to grow plants then do not defoil :wink:

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imagine the walking stick from a big outdoor & au naturel plant of that one. from a seed you created, nonetheless

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So I shouldn’t worry about removing the big leaves in the way of the others? Figured as much but love getting the pro tips from you :+1::+1:

And every few weeks you strip them more thoroughly?

Thanks!

@noknees I can easily picture it. She’s stinky too :sunglasses:

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Yes strip
this way is not like they grow normaly you grow in small pots and a lot of plants side by side so you need to open up for air circulation and light penetration
Remember the main (top)bud is the one with the most weight
Your aim is every 10cm to have a main bud! Doing so you will produce 2 or 3 times more than traditional grows
Dont belive me just look at any grow do they have a main bud every 10cm×10cm? Dont think so + with out pregrowing you will save time and will harvest more than traditional growers
I divide my space in 5 and every 2 weerks i plant 1/5 of the space at set 6 i start harvesting
So from the day that im full i will harvest every 2 weeks
(26 times in a year) perfect for your drycabinet😉
Do t grow plants grow main bud on a stick

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These are even smaller 7cmx7cm

And these a week before harvest ( big cleanup)

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Gorgeous work there @tamimes!

One day…

Really appreciate all you have shared and helped :+1::+1:

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I wonder why the ph to needs to be raised with Canna. Everything else I’ve tried needs to be lowered. The only time I used PH Down was if I went overboard with the Up. It has been the opposite since I switched brands.

You have the science to be well surrounded by people able to contextualize what they say, FE ^^ black hole sun ! Share some RNA lol, i don’t mind to be phosphorescent in the dark ^^

Learn the pinching tech. I can eventually give you some textual leads. Not rocket science.
And sorry about this, two rounds i want to make a tutorial and i just forget to sacrify a rejected seedling for this.

:rofl:
(this free affectionate taunt was VAT included)

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I think they designed around using tap water. There is a benefit to that - the pH has been really stable when it is set. There is a lot of buffering capability with the balance there. I really don’t mind either way, I do like using my filtered tap as a pH Up effectively. We’ll see how that goes.

You are absolutely right. I mean, like many other things, this is something I already “knew” but hadn’t yet seen the consequences of directly defying that guidance. I really wanted to try this, and now I’m figuring out why people don’t do this like this. Accelerates my learning curves and I laugh about it too. Happy to have you, laughing, along for the ride :sunglasses:

I’m really thankful for the participants of this thread and the advice. That contextual, wise advice received from so many folks is priceless.


GARDEN UPDATE:

Veg side is chillin. All 4 of my seeds for the solo cup challenge/disaster are above ground. Going to attempt some mapito today and get them into cups. The Frankenstein was tangled with itself in the plug, I attempted to untangle it, we’ll see if she makes it.

The Romulan cuts are showing signs of life on the top couple leaves. I think I’ll trim off yellows, don’t think they are helping. I’ve foliar fed a few times, no signs of roots yet.

The veg side of the tent as a whole. I’m pretty happy with this setup given the spatial constraints. There’s quite a bit happening in there, for a 2x3 tent. And most everything is doing well.

The flower side was a jungle this morning. Having seen and read some great input from @tamimes I set to work cleaning up the excess foliage.

I’m quickly developing a favoritism towards the mutant 907 Blue Genes x NL#1. It has a wonderful skunky scent with a hint of sweet/fruity coming through whenever I touch it. It also has a manageable structure. The 907 Blue Genes x Shiskaberry #3 crosses have more weird shit going on, including a self-topping trait I haven’t ever seen before in person. The main stem on one of them just splits in two, with two other branches also leaving the node. So, one of the nodes has 4 branches emerging. The Runtz x Sour Bubble tend to smell of somehow sweet burnt rubber at this point, but two of the specimens are behind the curve.

Anyway, trimmed up the bottoms of the older plants and took some of the obstructive larger fans. Rearranged the plants so the tallest are in the back, middle height in the middle, etc.

More work yet to be done, incrementally. Monday I’ll pick up a sealed container to fit the carbon filter so I can get that outside the tent. I can’t raise the light anymore without hitting it and that’d buy me another 6-8" easily. Something like this

I could also remove the platform supporting the reservoir, but that’s invaluable for reservoir maintence. Maybe in a couple weeks. I have intended to remove the carbon filter since the beginning, just now I have the proper motivation to actually execute it.

Cheers all!

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Constant progress @FieldEffect

Your multi-mini-tent has Huge things happening on a small scale. And its all forward my Friend. Great Work,
Great advise pouring-in OG’rs, its wonderful to watch this thread

Have a great weekend !!!

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Dont be afraid you can take ale the circles arows bent down so that the buds get light😉
:smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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