Without reading the entire thread [yet] I did have a few email conversation with John Fowler (Snow High) about a year or so ago about putting some of his breeding stock into cultures. He promised a phone call but has is very ill with an autoimmune disorder and has mostly down days. Perhaps if he sees what is happening here it might re-invigorate his interest. ?? I bet he can at leas t be a resource on where to look for wild traits or intersex challenges.
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Who/where from? SS/BW…mister 
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Yeah, I was grasping for an analogy, that one’s not great. Maybe defragging a hard drive is a better one. 
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Some of those are landrace is for sure, and some of them are not. Definitely Kumaoni and rasol. The world of seed stuff is mostly hybridized. There Pakistan is supposed to be quite good, but it’s more of an heirloom at this point. Kwazulu and Kilimanjaro I’m not sure about. I read There are some fast flowering time to be found in Tanzania. I’ve seen some pictures of the kwazulu, and it looks quite impressive. I don’t know enough about it to say if it’s a landrace or not… but some longer flowering plants are definitely to be found.
I think world of seeds has hybridized lines for the most part, that still give you a good representation of what you could expect from a landrace
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10 / 10 with the snow High Panama! They should be big enough to plant tonight. I guess their treatment in the warehouse didn’t bother them at all!!! I’m so excited I can hardly stand it.
Training is definitely a good option when you’re growing lanky sativas, but with landrace’s, always try one plant first. Although it only happened once, when I topped a landrace years ago it just stopped growing entirely. Stop flowering and everything. I think it would be a very rare reaction, but it is possible. Also, nothing wrong with taking some cuttings to grow some seedless smoke alongside the seeded, as long as you’re not taking a large part of the plant that would have otherwise produced seed. I may try something similar with Panama. I have a feeling they’re going to be some bushy beasts!
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So what is the diff. , please explain, I need to to learn something everyday.
Landrace…Heirloom?
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Just want to contribute anything I can. Really believe in what you’re all doing here and I want to be as big of part of it as I can.
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Once landrace stock has been heavily selected, it becomes an heirloom( edit. more like ibl… heirloom is an old ibl)Also, if it were to be grown multiple Generations outside of its home, it would also be an heirloom even if it has been open pollinated. Being a landrace implies all the genetic diversity is intact
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Take a look at the list we have at the beginning of the thread and see if there’s something you’re interested in growing. Lots of great stuff! Some of it very very potent too. We’re happy to have all the help we can get!
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World of seeds calls them the pure origin collection. Kinda misleading if they have worked them. Kinda upset I spent so much money trying to get landraces and didn’t even get any. Lol 
just really want landraces to work with.
I definitely will be growing some at some point and becoming a full freak sadly I’m in the middle of building my home so inspectors are in and out so I have to keep my plant count low.
More than happy to participate in a financial way of being a supporter untill I can start producing seeds with you all.
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Your generosity is very much appreciated. If there’s anything in particular you are looking for, I’m sure I can point you in the right direction
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For vegetables when a variety reaches 50 years of age it is an heirloom. For example multiple Brandywine Tomatoes are heirlooms because of reaching a certain age.
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So an heirloom is a worked landrace pulling out and separating one pheno to zero in on breeding.?
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Most my landrace interest lays in strains that have potential for pain relief and sativas that produce a feeling of euphoria and energy. But I have always dreamed of eventually being able hunt through hundreds for that something new.
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Purists will tell you anything that is interfered with by humans is no longer a landrace but primarily it is from the source and allowed to freely open pollinate annually.
An heirloom is a stable long-worked line that in it’s pure form is stable and carries desirable traits like pest /fungus resistance, yield, etc. Think something along the lines of Tom Hill’s or Mandelbrot’s work.
You’ll find landraces deep at the source country of origin.
You’ll find heirlooms deep in the mountains of Humboldt. (they live and die on the mountain)
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i would add: Landraces are not only open pollinated.
Landrace is: a Strain farmed in a specific Region, sometimes less or more selected.
Heirlooms is : a Strain farmed in different Regions, a Strain shared and transported to different locations (atleast two Regions), therefore not so adapted to one Place, opposed to the Landrace wich is adapted
So, if you breed a Thai indoors, after a while can call it Heirloom
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just re-read my earlier post about putting landrace seeds in a seedbank and realized that I was somewhat ambiguous. What I meant was putting some landrace seed in a seedbank like svalbard or the other international seed repositories. Not seedbank like in Holland or Spain…
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Yes an heirloom is at least 50 years old… I don’t know what the hell I was thinking earlier. A cultivar is a landrace that has been worked in its home region. If you were to take landrace stock, and breed with your favorite plants only, growing the landrace outside of its native habitat, you couldn’t really call it a landrace anymore, because it’s genetics would begin to change in favor of the surroundings you Supply it with. I would say that once you could call something an inbred line, it is no longer landrace . sorry about that earlier. My response wasn’t that well-thought-out. I think 50 years is probably a good time frame for whether or not to consider something an heirloom or not. A hundred years, and I would consider something a landrace. But that’s just me. Many people think differently. Some people don’t consider anything from the Western Hemisphere a landrace, while I do.
I think using the term primordial landrace distinguishes wild, never domesticated cannabis populations from farmed populations of cannabis rather nicely.
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Guitarzan is it attempting germination on a Himalayan landrace from the village of Kalga. It’s supposed to be especially effective for bone and joint pain, and people travel long distances to get it. Germination is difficult on this one. It’s related to other Parvati Valley cultivars, like Malana
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With vegetables at least, if I breed my own tomato variety and grow it for 50 years, and then give the seeds to burpee , they will label it an heirloom
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