Growin’ hemp with Lefty (BaOx, Syrian, Lebanese)

I’ve collected plenty of pollen and chopped the Lebanese male. Here’s some shots of the BaOx / Syrian plants I have remaining.

The female is showing a trait that seems to be distinctive of plants from the area. The Blue Hemp Lebanese often shows this kind of early coloration at the top pistils, but more purple than orange. Often this spot emerges nanners as well, so we’ll see if that happens.

The male looks good so far. No signs of pistils anywhere, nice flower production and pollen production. I’ve been collecting pollen for ~2 days now, and I will probably chop him by the end of the weekend. I could chop him now, but I want to wait a little longer to see if he produces any pistils. All said, much better than the other male, that showed pistils immediately when flowers started opening. I’m still very excited about this line, I just hope that I have a stable pair to build from.

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Damn, lots of plump sacks on them towers lol.

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Nice plants. I don’t think I have seen anything color like that female. Not orange anyway.

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Well…very nice my friend.

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Hoping you have some luck finding a couple stable plants. Lots of work :muscle:! Painful losing so many, but its to be expected I guess.
I’m surprised to hear that Syrian and Lebanese are ( were)]hermie prone indoors. Have you or anyone else tried them outdoors prior to selections taking place?curious if its the lights or containers causing the issue…

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I have a lot of ideas on the subject. Here’s my thoughts:

Syrian/Lebanese grow huge root balls for their size. I think this is largely due to the face that they were adapted to grow in dry environments without irrigation. The extensive root mass serves to cover a large area and efficiently make use of the water. These plants are very tolerant to drought conditions as well.

The formation of roots begins when the plants are switched to flowering mode. Because they can often flower under 14/10 or maybe even 15/9, a rapid switch to 12/12 tells them that seasonally, they are far behind in their development for where they should be.

Shortly after the light cycle change, they rapidly start developing their large root systems. Grown in pots, the roots become densely packed, instead of covering the large area they have adapted from. To rapidly form all of these new roots, it requires an immense amount of phosphorous in a very short period of time. At the same time, the above ground plant mass is low, and transpiration is limited. Phosphorus is in a state of deficiency, because so much of it is allocated to roots. If feeding synthetic nutrients, it also continues to uptake nitrogen, compounding the problem. In many places, roots are left to compost back into the soil after harvest. This returns much of the phos to the soil to be used again.

Once the root mass has established, it poses other problems indoors. Many Lebanese/Syrian plants are quite small in stature and not heavy feeders. However, the large roots create a large surface area that is adapted for efficiency in its environment. Given rich, full strength liquid nutrients causes sensitivity in the plants, because of their efficient root systems.

Not much attention is given to nutrients as a stressor, but in many cases, especially adapting dry climate landraces to indoors, it is probably beneficial to be using synthetic nutrients. Stresses of all kinds cause hermies. In this case, I think it’s a combination of all of these things – rapid lighting changes, large root system and nutrient sensitivity that all adds up to enough stress to cause them to go hermie.

However, if you just want to grow the plants and minimize problems, then growing outside is probably go to work great. Gradual changes in the sun angle give the plant plenty of time to adapt into flowering. Larger pots will probably make a better home for their roots. Organic nutrients will uptake more gradually. Indoors, it may be possible to ease into flower with a more gradual cycle.

It doesn’t bother me so much that they hermie. I’m fairly certain that if I was growing them in larger pots of organic soil, that they would be fine. But it’s not a bad thing to have stress and select the ones that can adapt to my indoor conditions better.

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That was great info, thanks for sharing … beer3|nullxnull

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@lefthandseeds
I have ran my.Lebanese on 12/12 from day one and use happy frog mixed half and half with a peat perlite mix then use half strength mega crop every other feed and well water the rest of the time
My real seed co have not hermid yet and are about three weeks on flower. The ACE I used a different soil and feed and I’d get a Hermie…my one landrace team plant was a pure male and no.Hermie

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I’m debating whether I want to run the ‘royal’ Lebanese next or switch gears. I’m curious to see how it looks.

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I think the BaOx / Syrian male looked good and has been cut. I’ve cut the nitrogen, so I’m starting to see plants feed on lower leaves. It may be a little early, but we’ll see. There’s a little tip burn and margin burn on lower leaves. I think it’s just nute buildup and slight K deficiencies. Nothing too bad, and I’ve switched to the stage 3 formula, so K should be already making them happier. Next time with the hybrid hempy buckets, I think I’d use a lower EC – maybe more like 1.3.

Pollen is packed up and ready to go. If anybody wants some DM me this week and I’ll try to accommodate. I’ll send both Willy G and BaOx / Syrian. The B/S should be ok, but I’d recommend using a little caution the first time you grow seeds to keep a close eye for herms. I’ll make a note here if I see any intersex with the female I have, but so far so good.

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Those are some happy and relaxed plants :kissing_heart:, you must be a proud papa … beer3|nullxnull

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Things are just bulking now. Since cutting the N down to about 90ppm, I’ve seen translocation from lower leaves and inner leaves. It’s nice seeing them yellow out and get used up.

What can I say about the BaOx that pictures don’t already tell? They’re ridiculous plants. They’ve acquired a fruity smell that’s really nice. Lots of resin. Lots of buds. Solid growers all around. I couldn’t be happier with them.

Lebanese is finishing up pretty soon I feel. I could be chopping that one in the week. I need to go back and see how long I’ve even been flowering them.

BaOx / Syrian is :face_vomiting: This thing turned rank fast, and not in a good way. Best I can describe is like a dumpster… metallic, rotting meat and sweat. I seriously cannot recall growing a plant that smelled worse than this one. Sweet jesus I hope it’s just a phase. I’m not sure I could breathe it in. FWIW, I have yet to find a hermie flower or nanner, so I think we’re in the clear…

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Fantastic
Idk some might like that rancid dumpster smell. Lol
Great news on naners, keep use updated :+1:

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There’s some smells that are bad in a good way like skunk, and then there’s the ones that are bad in a bad way. I’d put these in the latter category. :joy:

They smelled really nice in early flower and they still have some time. So I’m hoping they can get back to smelling bad in a good way. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Another week down. First few pics with the purple color are BaOx / Syrian. Smell has become a little more tolerable. Plant is otherwise very pretty. I think it will finish in a week.

Next couple shots are the Lebanese. This one is finishing any day now. I may cut it tomorrow, which would be somewhere under 50 days still I believe. Plenty of hash on the plant, very mild smells.

Last shot is the BaOx. The one in the upper right with the slightly looser buds will probably finish a week later than the others. I think 1-2 weeks for most of these. Smell is very nice, fruity and sweet smelling. Very pleasant and attractive, with lots of resin on the buds.

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William G Lebanese

A few pics of the Willy G. I got lazy and didn’t setup the photography lights, so these aren’t the best shots. Node spacing on the buds is almost nonexistant. A bit of purple started to come in on the leaves. You can definitely see it on the undersides. Nice plant. I’d grow this strain again.

Smells aren’t real strong, but what smell it does have is nice. I get a bit of lemon peel. All said, it’s pretty short in stature. Not quite dwarf, but definitely on the small side. I actually really like this structure. Would make a great auto.

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They are finishing up nicely, I dig it!

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All your strains have great structure man. I love how they “keep to themselves” with the satellite branches mostly growing straight upward just under the level of the main.

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BaOx first finisher :axe:

:axe::axe::axe::axe::axe::axe::axe::axe::axe:
I’m going to be chopping one a day now, starting with this gal. Nice looking overall. Quite a bit of foxtailing @Foreigner :laughing: Sweet, fruity smells that are quite appealing.

I just love the branching on all of these. Overall, super easy to grow, great structure, great smell and yield. Pretty good consistency among plants, but still some differences. Glad I made seeds…
:axe::axe::axe::axe::axe::axe::axe::axe::axe:

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That is freaking sweet. Love the description :ok_hand:
Can’t wait for smoke report.

I say that’s some nice “hemp” brother.

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