A very dilute amount, applied as a fine mist, everywhere. If you have a pump sprayer, I’d make a mix like Crunch said and spray about 1gallon of that mix per 20g of soil, foliar and root zone. LAB changes the pH on the plants exterior tissues, lowers it, which prevents certain pathogens from flourishing - namely PM.
I’ve been using 2 stages of Ganja stem and leaf FPJ. (Technically 3)
regular
I ferment my culled males and fan leaves from my mother’s to make what I call regular FPJ
middle
This has been using my day 21 flower defoiliating. It should be noted that I take a lot of my fan leaves, if not all around the third week.
flower
The last de-leafing before I cut to hang and dry. TBH this one I can do without. I can use middle with some FFJ.
Then I feed those back into the program when they are like 2 weeks ahead of the stage in which the FPJ was harvested…
I feed regular all through veg. Then add reg amd middle for transition and all the way through week 3 or 4 of flower. I’ll add “flower” and/or FFJ like week 3 through 7
LAB I just add 2-3 ml/gal when I feed. Lately I’ve been feeding about every week (growing in soil)
Yeah, this. I was a sourdough baker for many years, and it makes a huge difference what you feed your starter with or use as a media for wild/spontaneous fermentation. A wheat based levain starter and a dark rye one are completely different colonies of lacto and other things, just like they’ll be different because of the terroir of wherever you do this or get your ingredients from.
Made my LABS (1/100) and while i was at it made WCA (calcium) from eggshells and vinegar (1/1000) for foliar feeding. My worms are ignoring the cheese that was left over from the labs they just want to eat paper it seems
Looks like you did a great job straining and cleaning everything up. Looks great!
LAB is used at 1:1000 according to ctahr.hawaii.edu and a few others I’ve heard that from. Double check that
What differences do you notice about the cannabis-derived FPJs?
I was just listening to a podcast the other day when a guy commented on this & had a few theories (Growing With Fishes ft. Willysmokestoomuch, I think)
Anyways, I ask because I did something weird/stupid recently — >1oz of grinded flower + banana …. The ferment was a success. But I have no expectations. Thought maybe it’d make a good flowering ferment
I use 3/4 tsp LABS per gal of water
The cannabis derived FPJ is more of a base input for me to feed the microbes. I’ve made these ones ever since I started farming more naturally. I don’t have a control to compare against. I also do wild ferments around the property in the summer. This keeps the feed a little more diverse.
I think there are very minor differences in veg vs flower FPJ. I don’t mind the extra labor, its something I enjoy doing.
That’s awesome that you got a banana to work! Ide say your on the right track!
I struggle with the FFJ sometimes. I think some of the ripening or anti ripening agents make it difficult? (Fucking chemicals). The banana and gourd(pumpkin) FFJs are ones that my soil really loves in flower.
I would say the nose knows. If it smells good, like cereal or grain… then go for it. Of it smells punchy or sour… then try again.
I started on the similar path of combining all the plants with attributes I wanted to transfer to weed. Hearty fruit, terpy flowers, excited grass shoots, etc
But
I found my most consistent success fermenting them separate and combining the perceived attributes after. But I will combine very similar things, like wild grass in the summer. You will find what works for you!
Right on! That would be 1000:1
I use that as my high limiter. I do 2-3mls per gallon, so closer to 1/2 tsp.
Episode 255 with willysmokestoomuch
Thanks for the recommendation . It was worth the listen for sure
Hey fam! Thought I’d share the most recent KNF input I cultivated:
First I cooked about 3 cups of rice (I had an old bag of sushi rice, and some leftover arborio rice) using only about 2.5 cups of water; when the rice absorbed all of it, I put the hard cooked rice in a personal size pizza box with the lid removed.
I then taped a paper towel over the top and halfway buried the box in soil underneath the piles of leaves I keep by my compost.
5 days later:
I then mixed all of the colonized rice with molasses (it’s supposed to be 2:1 rice to unrefined sugar like jaggery; I totally just eyeballed it and made sure all the rice was coated) in a big jar. It should be well fermented in about 10 days!
I give you IMO-2 (indigenous microorganism inoculant):
My notes for usage:
Mix 1 tsp of IMO-2 with a gallon of water
Mix water with rice bran (exploring other grain wastes that are local) to achieve 65-70% hydration (between 1.65/1.75 gallons of bran)
Put mixture in a breathable bag and cover with leaves or straw on bare earth, turning it as it approaches 120 degrees, for 5-7 days.
This makes IMO 3 which can be stored for up to a year, and used to make Fish amino acid, as well as blended with other inputs such as ffj and fpj and continuously applied to the garden throughout the season.
I also gotta shout out @ReikoX ; he made an offhand comment on my flower journal about using FFJ to lower pH, and I DOVE down a natural farming rabbit hole. Thanks my dude!
I think I fell down the same hole .
I can not wait for spring to come so I can start collecting. The ground has been frozen for a week around here.
Started my LABS last night so at least that is in the works.
Yeah, it’s spring in Arizona, we’re planting tomatoes inside to go out next month!
Today’s mini project: Water soluble Calcium
Here’s a little fun fact, egg shells take ages to break down into calcium that’s available to your plants. I have a compost pile out back, and I used to add crushed shells to it. Notes that pile is highly active, microbially speaking, it was about 45-50 degrees outside last night, and here’s the pile at 8 a.m.
HOWEVER, after six months of cooking and turning, what do you think I always sifted back out?
You got it: egg shell.
Today I took about 2 dozen shells that I’ve been saving (after rinsing them and removing the inner membrane as best I could), broke them into pieces, and roasted them at 300 degrees for about 20 minutes.
I then pulverized the shells, and began adding them, a scoop at a time, to a bowl of apple cider vinegar, and stirring the solution as I went.
When I reached the saturation point (where no more shell will dissolve in the vinegar), I gently heated the vinegar in a double boiler until the remaining shells dissolved- Thereby slightly supersaturating the mix.
Again, this will be applied, along with other KNF inputs when lights are flipped to 12/12, and in a foliar spray as buds first form.
Somebody please share the plants and buds that are grown with KNF…
I would love to see the girls thrive on knf…
I just gotta finish this never ending flowering plant that’s in my tent, and then I’ll have a fully KNF grow journal on deck, featuring @corey 's generously gifted FOG Dog autos!
Sound’s good! I would love to read the results.
second that, if nothing else id just love to get a look at a feeding schedule using those KNF inputs to get a better sense of the process overall.
For Sure!
I run more of a hybrid system. I updated m log just now and included some extra info geared to KNF style.
Also, this is a feed schedule that I reference. I found this on the internet.
feedsche.pdf (3.8 MB)
Nice…
Thanks for the feed schedule bro …