going to look , but i am pretty sure i saw where one of the cloner machine companys said to use it in the res, the cloners are just hydro on a basic level
the Azos
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Have you ever tried OG Biowar? That works in both hydro and soil. I think it’s the best inoculant out there. Seems like Cap is maybe having issues, because they’ve been sold out of two of their three packs for a while now. I dunno if it’s because of COVID shit or what, been thinking about messaging him on IG to see what’s going on. But I always use all three Biowar packs in my grows. I switched to BioAg VAM for a couple grows, but wasn’t super-happy with it and went back to OG Biowar. I won’t grow without it haha.
Yeah done that too, I think I prefer Great White over Mykos/Mykos WP. Those last two, especially the WP, seems to like solidify my soil pots into a block so I have to pour real slowly from then on. I’ve at least done and seen a side-by-side huge growth difference with and without Great White. I have tried mammoth p and tribus without any noticeable benefit at all.
@Who Yeah you are right, I totally remember the Azos package saying you can use it in the res. And yeah technically my cloner is aeroponics, and they’re sure growing like it is now 
@minitiger I have not used that stuff yet. Again, I have to be sterile in hydro so not gonna bother using anything in the res when I’m dosing chlorine(calcium hypochlorite). Soil though I bet would be good. The last stuff I picked up is this Soil Balance Pro that I’m trialing this grow. Not sure if it’s helping or not but we’ll see.
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Yeah, the Biowar may not work if you’re dosing chlorine (I don’t know anything about hydro and have no idea what that means haha), but I do know that Cap recommends it for hydro grows. More than soil, actually. Could just be a marketing technique to sell people useless shit and then buy more of it, but I don’t think so. I know the pictures on the Biowar website, of the roots and shit, that’s all hydro.
Anyway, yeah, I’m not shilling for OG Biowar haha! Just letting you know it’s real good shit. I’ll read about that Soil Balance Pro. I just bought some more of that BioAg VAM, just because Cap seems to be out of the two packs of Biowar that I’m out of. But I’m not happy about the BioAg haha.
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Yeah looks like BB’s and Fungi in there. Would be good stuff for sure I would think, but my res is sterile. Anytime I tried running even HydroGuard(beneficial bacteria) instead of going sterile, I would have root rot within 12hours. Every. Single. Time. If I added nothing I’d have rot in 3 days. The chlorine kills off all bacteria and fungi, so I don’t see a point in adding organics that are just gonna be decimated. Literally throwing money down the drain 
Maybe with an RO system that filters out all the microbes and stuff ahead time, you wouldn’t need to go sterile and could add back in just the good one’s and be golden 
I don’t have an RO unit yet though. Maybe one day ^^
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I’ve actually read that tap water is the best thing to use in cloners, I’m assuming because of the chlorine/chloramine in the water. RO water is considered a no-no, even for people who grow organically.
I had an issue with my RO unit a couple weeks back, the reservoir wasn’t filling up. I got under the sink and fucked with it for a little bit, couldn’t figure out what the problem was. Got all agitated and was like,”Fuck it, I’m buying a whole new unit!” haha. Bought a new one from a different company. A couple hours later, the reservoir in my old unit was filled and working fine. I think one of the lines was just kinked or something and got un-kinked when I was messing with the unit.
This is basically a long way of saying that if you want a good RO unit, I can sell you a brand new one cheap hahaha!!! Just kidding, I’m gonna hold on to the new one. I’m too lazy to deal with returning it and it’s always good to have a spare RO system around… haha.
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Welp, I forgot to take pics apparently 
FLC #1 is just about a foot tall and taking off, so in lieu of what the BX1 #3 did, I just went ahead and stuck her in the flood table now. Worst case she produces like an ounce, best case… double? anyways…
FLC BX1 #3 is like 4 inches away from being the same height as the NL5HSS #5 girl. She seems to have really exagerated node growth. Not sure if it’s from the table or the backcrossing Leaning towards the table so far… All 5 girls are damn near identical in structure, which I guess isn’t too surprising considering the genetics, done nothing but reinforce the NL5Haze structure on a smaller frame. Just waiting on bud smells and such. Was watering the short ones and moving them around and I could swear I got a STRONG cheese scent coming off at least one of them, but I couldn’t pin point it on a stem rub or anything
Got 2 of the 3 PNL2 girl clones + 1 NL5HSS #5 clone transplanted into 4inch nursery pots of soil yesterday. Just waiting on more roots/height on the other clones before they get transplanted. Now just a waiting a game for the girls to flower out.
Speaking of, had to take the bottom two branches off each PNL2 girl, leaving me with 6 mains per plant. The bottom two were just way too far down/too much stretch to be worth it, plus they would’ve been growing all into each other if I hadn’t. Hopefully this forces the tops to grow out more too. I did pick up some stakes to use, but so far these are feeling pretty sturdy going into the stretch, we’ll see what they do after the stretch. Would think NL2 would add some sturdiness to the frame, plus I’m always dosing silica 
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Where to start…
Here’s some thirsty FLC BX1
All 4 in 5.5 inch pots
Back 2 up close, the right one is 13 inches tall.
The FLC BX1 #3 with the/her FLC #1 Mom to her right. NL5HSS #5 in back
She is 25 inches tall, the NL5HSS #5 behind her is 28 inches tall
FLC BX1 #3 Top
I finally today pinched her(#3) whole main stem. She’s getting crazy here in height and I only have another foot or so to go before she’s in the lights. So hoping I can stop her here. Upped the watts to 484 from 454 at the wall. Can do 620-640 at the wall on these 4 QB288 RSpecs, but it’s waaay too much for the plants. I may have to lower it back down again a bit but we’ll see.
NL5HSS #5 Day 34
Finally doing her justice. I thought I did decent in soil before, but I was wrong
She is absolutely reeking of sweet hash with some spicyness in the background. Again, total terpene reversal from her smell in organic soil. This is the second time I’ve grown the same plant in soil and hydro, and had the smells flip-flop between the two of them
Purple NL2’s
Nothing really to report here. I just setup a blumat system for them so will see how that goes. Anything to cut down my maintenance time and they just get straight ph’d tap water anyways. They’re starting to get the flower thing going ^^
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I find that odd also. You would think that a plant is genetically coded to grow a certain terpene profile. It is interesting that you have re created the results though.
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Right!? I mean, it is the same exact smells both times, but the order I smell them in is reversed between soil and hydro.
She was spicy with some sweet hash on the back in soil.
She is almost pure sweet hash with a little spicyness on the back in hydro.
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Ahhh, i gotcha now. That’s even weirder.
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related to the biome? you using any of the fungicides or chlorine in hydro?
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I do use Calcium Hypochlorite for sterilization but its only like 2 or 3ppm at most. Nothing else. Just the difference between using hydro nutes(maxibloom this time but I noticed it with AquaFlakes too) vs Organic Amended Soil.
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NL5Haze x Sensi Star(NL5HSS) #5 - Day 38
These are the tops of the lowers
So yeah, soil runs haven’t even been coming close to this flood table run 
Speaking of the difference a flood table can make…
FLC BX1
Same EXACT nutes, just 1 pot is a coco core surrounded and sitting on ~2 inches of perlite topped with coco so it doesnt float sitting in the flood table watered every 3 hours, and the others are in only coco/perlite mix and watered when they need it. The flood table girl is literally over twice their size, and is now taller than the nl5hss behind her
FLC Mom
Hoping she blows up a bit, we’ll see, she’s just getting her feet wet.
Purple NL2
Blumat’s seem to be keeping them going just fine, they’re still not really doing much though. Grown about 2 inches in… 9 days of flowering… They look good at least.
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Man, it’s crazy the growth rates you can get with hydro. The yields will definitely be better, too. I just can’t get into it haha. Seems like too much work…
Give those PNL2’s a little time. It took mine about a week, possibly even ten days, before it really switched into flower mode. But even when it did, it didn’t stretch all that much. Pretty sure it’s the shortest plant in the tent now, even shorter than the Stardawg f2. And that Stardawg was a good half-foot shorter than the PNL2 when I flipped.
Are you measuring them? Because compared to those FLC’s you have in that table, everything’s gonna look like they’re growing super-slow haha!
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What a gorgeous plant! And she still has some time to fatten up. Nice!
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Yeah this table is nuts. I LOVE hydro. It’s how I started growing 20 years ago, went straight DWC for my first go arounds and did decent most of the time but it is a lot of work and my current water isn’t playing nice with it… Any form of hydro is definitely more work than water-only soil recipe’s, but it doesn’t have to be much more than that. This table with maxibloom is the easiest go of it I’ve ever had. I think it’s easier than coco or soil 
Just add back nuted phd water every couple days, dose the calcium hypochlorite every 3 days, and sit back and watch em grow. The full control in hydro is glorious…
So yeah, need to figure out whats going on with my soil game for sure because it’s seriously lacking.
Good to know on the PNL2’s! I had seen your post on it and kept in mind when I flipped… I really expected a bit more than ~2 inches in 9 days but what can ya do right 
Guessing the NL2 side is keeping them short as the PU’s from Grohio/Schmarmpit both stretched pretty good I thought.
There’s also a chance some PNL2 pollen has impregnated my NL5HSS girl. I don’t think so as I’ve been really careful, but there is still a possibility so if it did… I think those are gonna be some lookers
The FLC’s have really surprised me, especially with the right conditions. I do see ALOT of the NL5HSS Male in these though, everywhere. The leaves, the structure, the flower pattern. We’ll see what the buds look and smell like, that’s really what matters. Worst case we get some NL5Haze spicy hash flowers from these with maybe a tinge of lemon/cheese, and the BX2’s I’ll make next will come out closer to the mom. Going to chop the other 4 pretty soon here so I can move the FLC F1 #2 in there. May keep one not positive, I just don’t need 4 of them with the big one in the table.
@oleskool830 Thanks! I hope/think so too!! I’m really hoping she slows down on height here real quick, going to have to bend her over if she gets another 6 inches or so.
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See? That right there sounds like waaayyyyyy too much shit to think about haha. I prefer growing organic, where every now and then I’ll be like,”Oh yeah, maybe I should water with a little coconut and aloe tonight. Or maybe a neem and kelp tea. Maybe…” I might get better results if I followed some sort of regimen, but it really isn’t necessary when growing organic. I’ve done it in the past, with the fulvic and the MBP top dresses and the aloe and coconut and shit every two weeks. Seemed like pretty much water-only works best. My plants kinda got fried when I did a little schedule-type thing, actually, even though they were all organic inputs.
And sometimes I just don’t feel like dealing with the garden. I’ve actually skipped a watering here and there this grow, kind of because of the fungus gnat thing, just letting the soil dry out for an extra day before I water (I usually water every other day religiously). But also because I’ve just been like,”Uggghhhh, fuck it, I don’t feel like watering tonight.” I dunno really what my deal’s been this grow, I just haven’t been feeling that stoked about it. But I’m glad I’m growing organic haha! Where I can choose to skip a day and not worry about the repercussions haha…
Those hydro plants look crazy, though. In a good way.
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Did you make your table yourself?
Blessings…
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eh its not bad with this table. I’m making the same mix every single time non-stop through the whole grow.
1 Gallon water
1ml Silica - Optional.
3-3.5ml calmag
1/2 tsp maxibloom
Need a pinch of ph down and done. I make a couple gallons of it ahead of time and whenever the res gets low just pour it into the table. Could do a float switch or something too. But I can go a week or so before the res(10 gallons) is dry so no need to be in there every day either. To each his own though! Do what works best for you ^^
@oleskool830 kinda? I bought the flood tray itself, it’s an uber expensive(I mean its plastic…) Botanicare 22" square tray with the flood fittings and some 3/4" tubing. Then got a 17gal HDX tote from Lowes and cut out a ~5"highx8"wide hole in the lid to accommodate the table fittings and give me a place to test with meters or drop a small pump in to drain the res. I already had an 800GPH aquarium pump to flood the table with and that was just about right… I keep the tray directly above the lid so it covers up the hole and keeps it dark, if i wanna use a meter or something i can just push the tray back a few inches and have total access. Pull it back when i’m done 
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