I have a cackleberry mother that I managed to self. But im also battling mites and im ready to blast her and my other plants with fire and industrial grade roundup (i litterally have industrial grade concentrate round up)
I want to hang onto the cackleberry because it has a creamy berry milkshakey flavor with a great high. How likley are my S1 seeds to produce the same qualities? If I can nuke everything to deal with my mites while knowing my S1 seeds are solid backups I will… but I don’t want to risk losing this bud!
It depends if your favorite traits are dominant, recessive, or worst case scenario; co-dominant.
If they’re co-dominant, you need A+B to equal AB. If your moms’ defining trait is AB, you’ll never end up finding it again by selfing.
If I did a terrible job explaining that, my bad dude. Lol. I feel like someone else could word this better. If it doesn’t make sense I’ll just say, there’s a very good chance you’ll never see her again. Her children will remind you of her, but they won’t be her.
The problem is that selfed plants produce a high likelihood of recessive genes in future generations.
Also environment also plays a key role in the outcome of a plant. The chances of re-producing an exact environment as the original mother is slim to none.
Finding something “similar” is a respectful outcome, but an exact copy of the mother is not likely.
Why not just use a pesticide and kill all the mites? This is not hard to do you aren’t the only person who’s dealt with mites. Seems harder to grow out and flower more S1 seeds than just kill the mites.
They’ll be close but there’s no guarantee you’ll get a good enough copy. Depends on how inbred the original line is. If you selfed an F5 generation clone you’d probably get something close, a polyhybrid mishmash, you’ll have to look harder.
I’m going to piggy back on this thread for a question I’ve had for a minute.
I have two seeds of a well known breeder’s well worked and established line that I want to make more seeds of. For seeds that most closely resemble the traits I generally expect in it am I better off pollinating one with the other (one being a natural male or treated with silver) or selfing them both?
Do all the things and make all the seeds! The more combinations you do, the more variations you will have. Then you can hunt through them and find which works best for you! It’s always good to have reg seed stock, too. Too many reversals or no male to use will bottleneck the genetics, and then you’ll need to outcross it. In the end, it’s all a genetic roll of the dice. Can’t win if you don’t play.
That’s the opposite of what I’m after in this case though I’m looking for as little variation as possible in this run. I know nothing is ever identical but in this case I’m looking for as close as I can get, or what gives me the best shot at it.
If your going to kill the plant, try this first. Helps a ton If you have a separate room you can put clones in. Take cuttings, lots of them, and perform Joe’s protocol 0 on them. Make clean clones in another room while cut everything else back and hose down with soap/insecticide. Once you have a rooted cutting, then you can get rid of the older plants and fully disinfect the main area. Leave it without plants for a week or two and mites and eggs that hatch will starve.
Small clones/plants are a lot easier to clean. I tip them upside down and dunk them in safer Garden soap, leave them there for a min, swirl them a bit to get every air bubble off the plants surfaces. Do that twice a week for two weeks and you should be good. If your afraid mites are in the media, then take new clean clones after a dipping and root them in the now clean space.
Definitely worth a shot. Here’s a cut that had spider mites. I dipped it in 91% isopropyl and then scrubbed with soapy water using my fingers. It’s kicking along fine now.
Dipped the whole thing in 91 iso? Plant didn’t suffer too bad? Huh…and I believe @Foreigner said he treated his with 10% bleach solution and lived…damn these plants are tougher than I’d have thought. Learn something new every day here.
Yeah, full on dip in a large bowl and whooshed it around. You can see the leaf damage, all the leaves that got exposed to iso yellowed and developed burn spots. But the new growth is just like normal.
Farming at even a tiny scale can definitely be disheartening at times lol. I often have a hard time taking mistakes and failures with plants as personal faults. I still think about the Japanese Maple I accidentally killed once haha.
It’s hard to relax when your plants aren’t happy, I feel that.
The things that flash across your mind before you go to sleep at night lol.
When transplanting a tree…the lesson it taught me was dig up way more rootball mass than you think you’ll need to…the lessons that stick are expensive and embarrassing to someone who fancies themselves a green thumb.
I’m big on hostas, have a decent collection going. There’s about as many hostas as there are weed crosses lol.
I like easy above all else. What’s gonna look the best with the least effort and expense. Wife doesn’t do much with the yard and I’m not hire-a-landscaper rich so it’s all by the sweat of my brow. I like hydrangeas! Don’t need much and really take up a lot of space. Gotta really shell out for that magazine cover yard lol.
Shrubs and hedges can get fucked I ain’t trying to double my yardwork lol. Boxwoods smell funny too.
Around here people tend to use hostas as shade plants but I think they look awesome when they flower in full sun. There’s a shade plant called Solomon’s seal which is a nice option too.
I agree on easy maintenance. Plant a few, bury a few bulbs, sow some seed, put down some manure at the end of fall, done.
A wild garden instead of a high maintenance tame one.
I did some crocus, daffodil, tulip, lily, and daisies for my parents years ago. Throw in a yew or something and you’re good to go.
Edit - don’t underestimate how awesome the garden looks with a few inches of black topsoil as a cover. It’s just a few bucks and makes a big difference.
I’m looking for as little variation as possible in this run. I know nothing is ever identical but in this case I’m looking for as close as I can get, or what gives me the best shot at it.
