I believe we have been using the term ‘phenotype’ wrong for decades

It’s info speak for sativa. Info speak being slang for vernacular.

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That’s not really an answer, though. Have you pheno hunted 6k plants 166 times? Also, in your words from a few posts ago, “this is about breeding”. If you’re going to take up space here please articulate a consistent argument so people can actually rebut it if they disagree. This is just mushy vibes based “breeding is an art” so far, not science and genetics.

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I would like to point out since a pallette of cultivars has been suggested being used, you would use a similar method unless you are trying to test the limits of your tech.

The point is with a goal and an set of tools you can create your desired line. This is obviously different than trying to breed a line in a certain direction…which is somewhat tedious. You should work with what the line has to offer, pull something from it. Instead of trying to mold it as you see fit.

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I think it’s unlikely that any of us have the facilities to run this number of plants.

If uniformity is important to you just find a mother and run clones.

You can breed in a small closet if it suits you.

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24x16 garage and 8x8 bathroom. Nobody using it but me, insulated heated, water and electric.

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This is an interesting bit of experience to hear about, I don’t know that I’ve seen someone commenting on traits found in F12, that is way down the line!

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:thinking::wink::wink: what aren’t you getting man? I was implying that the process is extremely smoke filled; I wasn’t implying that I have hunted through millions of landraces. I have run through tens of millions of beans, 2 million plants per run AT LEAST, and you gotta smoke your way through them…you do the math :beers:!

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Ok then I will sign up as a tester, 1000 please :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:!

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Sir, you have never shown a single plant that you’ve grown on this site. The claims that you are making are just not believable to anyone with a shred of common sense. The numbers don’t math right, and the claims keep moving around. We are now at over two million plants per run, with smoke tests on all of them? That is Skunkman or Breeder Steve levels of huge hunts or beyond, I don’t believe it. We just saw Bodhi and Cookies hunt 15k seeds, that’s one of the most respected breeders out and a billion dollar corp with acres of R&D space. I am supposed to accept that an individual who has no standing in the community at large is routinely doing hunts sixty times larger? Nah. I genuinely no longer believe we share the same consensus reality, so I’m going to stop interacting.

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If you don’t want to know…no pics didn’t happen. :wink:

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Weird I have never seen the same phenos twice not even the bad ones.
No such thing as that in my experience and I have yet to see it online either.
I see people buy beans and think they have the “keeper” pheno but when compared directly it is not.
Been going decades and still waiting.

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I pop 4,000 seeds a season for 7 yrs.
Its hard to convey how much work that is without having the infrastructure and grow team.
I did it all by myself on basically a shoestring budget - selling a few packs of seeds to support next season’s grow.

Ive helped large LP’s pop and hunt through 20-40k seeds. Just in sexing, I logged over 80hrs in a week.
The average person clones about 300 plants a day, a good grower can hit about 550 a day.

Now I know Breeder Steve has been doing the million seed hunt, and that’s about 18 months of work just to pop and plant them all - and he has the resources and infrastructure

The idea that someone could plant 2 million seeds per run(season) would mean doing more work than Breeder Steve, Chimera, and Skunkman.
Also, it points to a serious deficit in respect to the plant as its basically genocide in killing 1.9999 million seeds just to get, what, maybe 100 plants?

And a previous statement of growing everything under fluro lights, none of this is adding up.
My 4,000 seed runs requires being outdoors at least for the beginning.
The 40,000 seed runs were mixed outdoors and greenhouses (3 greenhouses and acreage outdoors). The idea of doing 40x the work of 40,000 seeds, well, the overhead alone would be about the yearly income of a middle-class person.
And then theres the logistics of sourcing and creating enough seeds to have 2million plants per run. That may require making 4 million seeds oer year, shucking and sorting 4 million seeds per year while still having time to sprout, plant, transplant 2 million seeds per year…

Teach me, please

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What? You don’t have 4 million seeds just lying around? :joy:

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I think we are off point here…the point is content not grow method or size.

I hesitate once again, but I will digress.

I’m talking landrace pheno hunts. The seed are obtained en mass from landrace regions, then immediately planted in 8x8 trays and stacked under floros. No need for large plants as we are only, again, pheno hunting. It shouldn’t be a complicated process as there is allooot of it. Floros are plenty of light to both breed and pheno hunt under not to mention grow… also ya know the voltage can be adjusted as needed.

So thats how you run a simple landrace pheno hunt set up. It isn’t complicated to build out and start, just a lot of work to maintain.

Haha…:sunglasses:, Sam the Skunk Man… wonder how he got that name.

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Dude…Wtf?
That’s pretty far afield from the way.
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…hmm, well I figured if you gunna do a pheno hunt you love smoking hash so you’re gunna remember to smoke alot of hash.

You could call breeding easier…you don’t have to smoke as much hash and there is significantly more working space. :milky_way:

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The voltage in a fluorescent tube is actually fixed as a characteristic of any gas discharge tube is:

“In the first plot, where the voltage and the current are represented separately, it’s interesting to remark that both are in phase, even if not perfectly sinusoidal shaped. This shows that the lamp is effectively absorbing active power. It’s also worth noting that the voltage is close to a square wave. This is typical of gas discharge tubes that have a very similar behavior as a Zener diode, where the voltage is about constant regardless of the current. By looking closer, one can see that actually the voltage drops slightly as the current increases (the square wave is not perfectly flat but lowers a bit in the middle, when the current is at its maximum). This shows a negative resistance behavior, another typical characteristic of a gas discharge tube. In a normal resistor, if the current increases, the voltage drop also increases; here it’s the opposite.”

https://www.giangrandi.org/electronics/fluorescenttubes/fluorescenttubes.shtml

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I sow outdoors until I fall into a coma. I get nowhere near those numbers and I’m a monstrous work horse :ok_hand:

I fully agree with your assessment.

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Hash is more akin to field harvesting - hashing all the plants together, hence the term hash meaning a coalescence.
Whereas smoking flower is an individual plant thing.

So, again, it doesn’t make sense how you’re selecting plants.

I have sprouted many landraces, unworked ones, even.
And yeah, you can do some quick culling on some of the population for mutants, herms, NLD vs BLD.
But again, it sounds more like genocide than preservation or breeding.

And you mentioned planting in an 8x8?
How many seeds is that?
How old do you let them get before selecting/culling.
How many do you cull vs how many do you select.
What are your selection criteria?

If you dont have Any pics from all your years, do you at least have any grow logs?
Or merely instructions or descriptions of what you do exactly

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Well again this definitely isn’t a selection process. It’s an observational endeavor. You start out running a small portion of the seed from each plant, observing classifying, smoking etc. Preservation is always a priority and only comes down to a matter of available storage space. If you find a lot that has a particularly unique pheno you pull those beans and run a ton more (here preservation is key).

There is no selection process here at all, all plants are attempted to be preserved.

I would typically run 20k seeds per initial lot (this was about double what others at the time would run). Seeds were run as soon as possible (this was when I was first getting started). You can fit 1024 plants on an 8x8 :grin::wink:.

I actually have something better than logs…mass libraries of landraces. In the past I let people run through them…this was prior to schedule 1. Sorry no pictures on hand :rofl: :wink:.

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