That’s very galinxious of you. 
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The more maths the better. I trust provable mathematical models.
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Anything successful with shiatsu kush is a win IMO. Great work there. Betting the flavor was fantastic.
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Yes, as an engineer with an advanced science degree, I agree; your observations all refer to well defined terms. I have clarified my OP to clarify the context of my observation.
I have found that a well-crafted Google query provides the exact answers every single time, as long as one chooses the more scientifically-based results:
https://sites.stat.washington.edu/thompson/Genetics/1.3_genotypes.html
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That math did my head in.
Would need to sit down and study those equations to remotely understand them.
I’ve been able to pull some great info out of their examples of varying crops -however most of that math flew over my head and found myself skipping large portions, those complex equations.
A good half of that book is the equations… I don’t see myself reverting my laymen logs into mathematical equations anytime soon. But props to the individuals using these for better genetic understanding. I’m stuck on the laymen fence. I don’t think math has ever been my strong point.
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When I finally came around to wanting to be a part of society, in 2010 – at 41 years old – I decided to go to school to get a Computer science degree. I had always hated maths. Having to learn all the mathematical rules at 41 years old was the hardest thing I have ever done, but I remember when all the rules finally soaked in and I could perform calculations without needing to look up the formulas… it was golden. Now I look forward to seeing the proofs.
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Over the top pine smell and taste that was almost to much to handle, I’m not a fan of the pine, tree floor cleaner smells like some are but it was very strong , almost make your eyes burn smelling a big bag of it.
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My local feed store has at least 5 types of hay not including the straw bails or alfalfa mix 
If you don’t know exactly what you want the old guys that run the place will look super annoyed. It’s the look you get when referring to soil as dirt around certain circles.
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Ha! I love it! My guy for years had a great big sign in his place “Christmas Tree Growers Association”. Thanks for sharing! Keep on Growing!
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Totally! Hay is a generalized term which refers to any dried grass purposed for feeding animals. Oat hat will not smell like wheat hay, nor alfalfa straw. And straw is not hay 
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Exactly , not all hay is created equal, sounds like me lecturing my fellow workers about what not to bring to the garden lol , send them for straw bails and they come back with horse food smh
Some of that stuff is bad for the garden
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Phenotype is mostly, if not fully, nutrient uptake. Therefore you can’t be a real breeder if you aren’t solid in nutrition.
Grow 1 clone in 100 different soils, then sell me the clone, and put me on the correct soil. That’d be too normal of a relationship for the cannabis scene. Breeders can’t answer questions without making stuff up or quoting someone’s unrelated work. Why? I don’t care about what scientist you can quote. I don’t care about how well you document Icmag posts from 10 years ago. I want to know whether your seeds actually suck or if I’m in the wrong soil mix. I’ve not seen a single $200 ten pack with a 8 cents worth of instruction manual. The price tag on those seeds doesn’t say “I’m just following the casual gardening model”.
If you grow 1 clone in one soil, and it’s floppy, it’s a phenotype that utilized copper too efficiently. Try a soil with less copper. The less copper pheno will be less floppy. Use that soil. Don’t bury some half sincere 2nd hand disclaimer in some obscure web forum. Tell your customers too much copper with create a viney plant. Simple as that. I see breeders talk about prone to this, prone to the that, tons of problems easily addressed with nutrition changes. That’s the entire reason cannabis sucks today: growing 100 different unproven clones in 1 “proven” soil, when it should be the other way around.
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I suspect I have been selecting based on which plants do best in my specific lazy style.
Sunshine mix4 and jacks pro so if that’s not suited to a particular type then it gets culled.
Do that for a couple decades and its a thing I suspect.
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Huh? I’ve never sold any clones and it’s not my job to turn ignorant customers into master growers either. If you feel that is an avenue worth pursuing then by all means, pursue it. Efficiency of nutrient uptake and all other environmental factors comes back to how an individual genotype responds to them and no two are the same - so these directions you feel entitled to, regarding cannabis seed, would be purt near useless anyhow.
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Tom,
I threw this question at Tony G, since I live at 33-34 n latitude I have a ton of trouble using all my growing season for the genetics I have ie Deep Chunk and such. I am running into the problem with my clones going straight into flowering since nights are too long.
I want to breed a crap ton of chunk and pick the ones that will grow this far south from clones eventually. Does this make sense? I don’t want to introduce new genetics which I know can be done, just want to keep the amount of alleles more homozygous. Preserve this line so it stays an IBL even though that is not true since every time you breed seeds things segregate/consolidate.
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Search civil twilight hours at your location, there is not a great deal of difference between 33-34n and 39n. I consider it safe to bring clones of most any variety out when civil twilight reaches about 15 hours. For me at 39n this means right around June 1. I saw the post in Tony’s thread, I do not think there is enough variation in DC to bother trying to stretch the season out by way of selective breeding. Returns/progress would be very minimal if measurable at all, and you will have added a selection criteria - that always costs something somewhere else.
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Tom,
THANKS you saved me a lot of time and disappointment! June 1 throws me in at 14 hrs 20’ . 420 That’s a sign😄. Then indoors it is!
My longest day is June 20 = 14 hrs 29’
San Francisco is 14 hrs 47’
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I veg them at 15 hours too under lower light levels. Seems counter intuitive at first but it actually builds a bigger plant faster. Coax it into a more stretched out growth pattern. At 4 weeks, you can have a 10 inch plant, with 7 nodes and a pinky sized stalk, or a 24 inch plant with 7 nodes and a thumb sized stalk.
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Looks like you reading sunrise to sunset. It’s safe to use civil twilight hours. On June 20 San Francisco was up to 15 hrs 50 minutes or something.
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