I saw an interesting deal on 
on Stanley Tucci-Searching For Italy. Cool show. A segment on s grown in this shit, salty soil but were sought after for flavor. Curious stuff.
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@Dirt_Wizard
Thanks for the study, seems pretty good so far.
I found this in it and thought I would share my findings again.
The positive effects of 100‐μM MeJA on cannabinoid production was no longer evident 4 weeks after treatment
That was the issue for me…
If you spray it in flower your weed tastes and smells like JAZ.
Also, you seem to have to harvest shortly after the spray for max effect.
If you have ever messed with JAZ you will surely remember it is much like perfume.
So to summarize here…
You have to spray a perfume-like substance on your buds to gain some THC.
How much THC you may ask?
I tried several cultivars and saw no marked difference in potency.
Just anecdotal smoke testing is all I did.
But the way I see it is…
If I can not tell the difference when I smoke it, I really don’t care what the test results said, like if I had paid for the test.
Maybe I screwed things up too, it was not super scientific but I was on a quest for knowledge so I did the very best I could on a limited budget.
Thanks again for sharing the link.
Shag
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I think I can help here.
JAZ elicits an immune system response in the jasmonic acid pathway, this is from memory so don’t crucify me here. 
Anytime you elicit an immune response there is a cost and in this case that cost comes in the form of yield.
So in a sense, you get less of everything in terms of vegetation.
Less branches, less leaf, in favor of trichome production.
And yes it is noticeably more frosty, but to the smoker, I would say very little if any noticeable change in potency.
On a positive note…
Now for a super bulky, grassy cultivar with no taste or an undesirable taste, it could have a use.
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I can’t add anything academically but on the topic of glutamates, what of naturally derived glutamates? Obviously we don’t all have the setup at home to split glutamates from some of it’s natural sources such as dried mushrooms, sun dried tomatoes, kombu and anchovies/small fish but we could potentially take advantage of the naturally occurring levels in feeds such as fish aminos, kelp meal etc. would things like dried mushroom powder or tomato powder provide any benefit? It would probably just be better to include in compost but this was a great and interesting thread for my a.m.! Thanks Shaggy
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Yes, that is an interesting thought.
We could discuss that more for sure.
Natural is always better, I think most can agree on that.
I would not have a clue, myself… 
This may in fact make a good foliar spray.
It should contain some chitosan and glutamate, probably other good shit too. 
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@shag I’ve found you to be quite clear in seperating your opinions and observations, with lots of solid information for me to sort thru. I can determine it’s value to me.
You’re not thin skinned when presented with different opinions. Open-minded. How we learn. How I learn anyways.
I have learned a lot in the last year with this approach.
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I do know the mushrooms that contain the most glutamates in dried state are shiitake and porcini if you’d like to give that foliar spray a try or even as a soil conditioner. I think it wouldn’t be harmful to experiment with other members of the family as well. I’m sure feeds or sprays made from cordyceps, Turkey tail, reishii or lion’s mane could benefit the garden.
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Well said and thanks for the compliments brother. 
Yea, an open mind is ready to learn.
I am always willing to hear someone out, sometimes you will learn something, and sometimes you just say, Naaaa, that ain’t right…LOL
I always seem to learn something new talking about a subject I have already studied.
This topic is a perfect example.
There are, soo, soo, many different views from different folks, one just can not believe he knows or has thought of it all.
You know the whole Iron Sharpens Iron thing. 
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Glutamic acid is an important amino acid that is essential for plant growth and development.
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It is a component of proteins, and it is involved in a variety of metabolic processes in plants, including the synthesis of secondary metabolites, the regulation of gene expression, and the transportation of nutrients within the plant.
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Glutamic acid is also an important signaling molecule in plants, and it plays a role in plant responses to stress, such as drought or disease.
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Some studies have shown that supplementing the diet of plants with additional glutamic acid can improve their growth and development, especially under stress conditions.
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first thing I thought of 
“If you sad in life, use MSG. If you happy in life, use MSG. put MSG in everything, you’ll turn it better. You have baby? put MSG on baby.”
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Glutamic acid is an important amino acid that is essential for plant growth and development.
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It is a component of proteins, and it is involved in a variety of metabolic processes in plants, including the synthesis of secondary metabolites, the regulation of gene expression, and the transportation of nutrients within the plant.
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Glutamic acid is also an important signaling molecule in plants, and it plays a role in plant responses to stress, such as drought or disease.
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Some studies have shown that supplementing the diet of plants with additional glutamic acid can improve their growth and development, especially under stress conditions.
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Glutamate as the nitrogen donor in primer metabolism and gibberellic acid precursor.
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It reshapes the plant microbiota to protect plants against pests and pathogens.
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Glutamate has a potential impact on increased Ca uptake and distribution.
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Has the potential to increase cannabinoid production.
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MSG has the potential to induce a signaling cascade leading to a plant immune response.
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MSG might simulate the effects of defoliation without actually having to remove leaves.
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It’s an excellent pH-neutral organic fertilizer
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MSG is an awesome source for phosphorus and helps the plant to grow a healthy root system.
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It works great in conjunction with blood meal.
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Glutamic acid foliar application enhances antioxidant enzyme activities among other things.
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Glutamate is one of the most abundant nonessential amino acids found in nature
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It works to enhance the immune response effect and protect the plant from yield loss in times of stress when like when removing leaves ect.
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Glutamic acid foliar application enhances antioxidant enzyme activities.
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Glutamate is not dangerous to feed to plants, smoking it simply burns it to cinder/ash
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So my cat nipping a leaf could be beneficial to my entire garden! This was kind of a joke, but kind of not…
Lots of good info in this thread!!
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Yes, that’s what I was saying. I’m sure the effect is small, but plants will signal each other of dangers such as leaf chewing.
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Thanks for that, it is a refreshing change to folks around here telling me these ideas are just silly, when I post this kinda stuff.
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So I was trying to look up dosage since that seems to be the only thing missing in this thread, and I came across two things.
One is this arbitrary experience, hear say technically at that, on the results of adding MSG to pots of cayenne peppers
TLDR; They found that adding MSG as fertilizer to the pot(s), neutralized the heat and possibly the flavor of the peppers. The MSG fed pots were not hot at all, and the pots with no MSG were still hot. I haven’t been able to find any other experience like this so far in a quick hunt.
And then this other paper I found does list some dosages(4ml/liter and 8ml/liter… Unsure how they’re getting milliliters out of a dry powder 
) against and with standard fertilizer, but doesn’t properly account for all the statistical differences for each result they show with their graphs.
https://eksakta.ppj.unp.ac.id/index.php/eksakta/article/download/283/152/1448
They also don’t actually eat said peppers so no idea if the effect from the first site is a thing or not.
On another note, it seems MSG breaks out to NPK. It seems you can feed a plant solely with MSG and no other fertilizers at all.
MSG can be used as an organic fertilizer because it has a high content of organic matter and nutrients such as elements N, P, and K. This is confirmed by research using MSG (Monosodium glutamate) with an optimum concentration of 15 g / plant, which states that MSG contains 5% N elements, P 0.4%, and K 1.7%, thereby increasing the production of pakcoy plants [37]
So from this site and paper and the previous papers posted in this thread, that science project lol and some quick research; I’d wonder if any “benefit” of MSG is solely because of it’s NPK ratio and easy uptake, and not some extra function(s) we haven’t uncovered yet/aren’t happening in our other fertilizers anyways 
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Do you mean like…
I feel this one may be most important and useful of all.
L-glutamic acid acts as a cytoplasm osmotic agent of the “guard cells”, thus favoring the opening of the stomas while improving the health of the plant.
In simple terms:
Glutamic Acid acts on the plant’s pores, pushing them to open regardless of internal or external factors.
Why is this helpful?
Think in terms of a foliar spray, this can help immensely with absorption.
This may in fact be one of the active ingredients along with Diethanolamine for an emulsifier in Saturator.
Diethanolamine has possible links to cancer.
Maybe that is why they changed the formula and name.
DM Penetrator/saturator
Personal Note:
20 mM Glu
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Here is just a few reasons I may disagree.
- Glutamic acid is an important amino acid that is essential for plant growth and development.
- It is a component of proteins, and it is involved in a variety of metabolic processes in plants, including the synthesis of secondary metabolites, the regulation of gene expression, and the transportation of nutrients within the plant.
- Glutamic acid is also an important signaling molecule in plants, and it plays a role in plant responses to stress, such as drought or disease.
- Some studies have shown that supplementing the diet of plants with additional glutamic acid can improve their growth and development, especially under stress conditions.
- Glutamate as the nitrogen donor in primer metabolism and gibberellic acid precursor.
- It reshapes the plant microbiota to protect plants against pests and pathogens.
- Glutamate has a potential impact on increased Ca uptake and distribution.
- Has the potential to increase cannabinoid production.
- MSG has the potential to induce a signaling cascade leading to a plant immune response.
- MSG might simulate the effects of defoliation without actually having to remove leaves.
- It’s an excellent pH-neutral organic fertilizer
- MSG is an awesome source for phosphorus and helps the plant to grow a healthy root system.
- It works great in conjunction with blood meal.
- Glutamic acid foliar application enhances antioxidant enzyme activities among other things.
- Glutamate is one of the most abundant nonessential amino acids found in nature
- It works to enhance the immune response effect and protect the plant from yield loss in times of stress when like when removing leaves ect.
- Glutamic acid foliar application enhances antioxidant enzyme activities.
- Glutamate is not dangerous to feed to plants, smoking it simply burns it to cinder/ash
19.Glutamic Acid is fundamental metabolites in the process of formation of vegetable tissue and chlorophyll synthesis. - Glutamic Acid help to increase chlorophyll concentration in the plant leading to higher degree of photosynthesis. This makes crops lush Green.
- Glutamic Acid is known to be a very effective chelating agent.
- Glutamic Acid are essential amino acids for pollination.
- Glutamic Acid is a common precursor of many organic compounds.
23.Glutamic Acid can be taken up directly by the roots, and then transported among tissues or organs through xylem and phloem. - Glutamic acid is an α-amino acid that is used by almost all living beings in the biosynthesis of proteins.
- Glutamic acid alone had a constructive effect on the plant scavenging mechanisms against stress.
- Antioxidant activities (SOD, POD and CAT) were positively affected by exogenous glutamic acid.
- Glutamic acid may act to alleviate the adverse effect of salt stress.
- Exogenous Treatment with Glutamate Induces Immune Response.
- The treatment of roots with Glutamate activates the expression of PAMP-, salicylic acid-, and jasmonic acid-inducible genes in leaves.
- The treatment of roots with Glutamate primes chitin-induced responses in leaves.
- Exogenous treatment with Glutamate enhances resistance against pathogens
- The treatment of seedlings with Glutamate activates the expression of wound-, PAMP-, and DAMP-inducible genes in a temporally distinct manner.
- Glutamate induces expression of the PTI marker genes more gradually and for much longer periods .
- Glu treatment to the roots of mature plants also induces very gradual expression of defense-related genes in systemic tissues.
- Glu has the potential to contribute to sustainable disease control in agriculture.
- Glutamic Acid Foliar Application Enhances Antioxidant Enzyme Activities
- Foliar application of glutamic acid produces better development of the tomato plant and increases fruit production.
- Glutamic Acid promotes seed germination by counteracting the effect of abscisic acid (ABA)
- Glutamic acid reshapes the plant microbiota to protect plants against pathogens.
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ah yeah that’s a good point. Could be an ingredient.
I have not ever done foliar’s really so its not a mode of action I normally think of when it comes to plant uptake. And I’ve yet to see a paper regarding MSG as a foliar spray I’ve found plenty of people talking about it, hell I’ve even seen the FDA notices allowing it to be sprayed unlimitedly on all food plants, but no papers. TruthInLabeling.org has an entire page about MSG that reads like the opposite of what we’re saying here lol but they offer no proof, paper, or even link to verify anything they claim.
Papers verifying any of these claims, from either side, would be appreciable.
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https://www.hst-j.org/articles/article/BWaY/
https://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/10.1094/MPMI-09-19-0262-R
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01904167.2021.1998526
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1755-1315/910/1/012087/meta
https://www.cabdirect.org/cabdirect/abstract/20153189444
https://www.cabdirect.org/cabdirect/abstract/20133097121
https://www.old-aj.cz/web/pse.htm?type=article&id=57_2011-PSE
https://www.iasj.net/iasj/download/b2b5dc5a588df2d5
There may be redundancy, I posted these kind quickly.
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