Landraces and heirloom (Part 1)

Hey bru , thanks I’ve lurked here for a long time
Yes there’s so much history involved but definitely Arab and Indian mingled with what was here before , just different centuries
I also see the similarities, it’s like a giant jigsaw puzzle

A lot of the African weed , bottom half of Africa is similar for this reason
Especially in S.Africa /East the most popular trade routes
Be nice if canna testing was cheaper and easily available , be eye opening….

The Transkei and Lesotho are closely related they also don’t herm that easily , the thing is there is a high percentage of “hay” tasting phenos , so needs a good hunt

I like small pots to get a big rootball then transplant into bigger , then nip her if she gets to wild
Also some landies like water and some not easier to find out in smaller pots first

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Lesotho

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Transkei

That’s wind damage from the fan on the leaves
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So super silver Haze is trucking about 1.5 inches a day. Is at 18 inches today thinking ready for flower.

that was 2 days ago.

Also seeded oaxacan is starting to split calyxes and show seeds. The color on this girl wow.

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You definitely want to go into phenohunting landraces with the proper attitude, and that means expecting some hay now and then. It just makes that keeper plant more special when you find it, and to me it makes a landrace authentic. There’s just too many plants in fields to breed out all the crappy ones… And crappy is probably the wrong word. Once tested some of these so called crappier types may contain something special or unique that will only show its usefulness upon outcrossing or as medicine. If they disappear we just won’t know.
Nice looking plants. Real nice.
@420noob nice fade on that one. In NY the leaves turned all the colors of fall. Those seeds are getting very close…

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Loving those narrow leafers!! What kind of scents/aromas did you find in your Transkei and Lesotho phenos?

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Not a bad idea to control stretch.

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Wow that Colombian black is a classic it got away from me about 12 years ago! Bco is breeders choice right? O man what a surprise to see it around still it would make a nice cross to the purple malawi if you made any seeds with Colombian black. i think it was supposed to be licorice terps. I grew some bco train wreck once and it was very strong its definitely something I wish I had made seeds with among other things like the Colombian gold they had

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You can’t even be sure about the crappier ones until you make some hash oil. Even if the plant isn’t that potent, its mix of cannabinoids might be the bomb.

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I made enough seeds to play around a bit. It probably would cross well with purple Malawi, but I’ve had some other plans for it for a long time and they are finally coming to fruition. Most seed went to or are going towards a group of us that kicked in for Corinto seeds.
If you wanted to make that cross I think I have enough seeds I can send you some. 12 years is a long time to wait for something. I only had to wait half that long😁. I had spent my money on gage green Colombian Black, Not knowing it was a hybrid, about 6 years ago now. I wasn’t sure I would ever see if pure myself. SnowHigh found a speedy version in these, but I didn’t. The purple plants have a deep stone to them, but somehow without being sleepy, unless its late and you are Cheeching out on the couch. Then it will flatten you. I’d only ask that you remember me if you find a
speedy columbian black plant. None of my SnowHigh seed germinated. Took me a couple years to realize i was paying hundreds of dollars for the packaging and not the seeds inside. Those always seem to be dead.

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It’s unfortunate they hadn’t done a little research first. What a shame to have to cut them down for a little thc. Up to 5% thc in some documented instances, but I’ve read 1-4 is typical, So pretty much the same numbers you gave. I always wondered how that" by weight" figure compares to other methods of testing thc. There’s a guy in columbia that selected these for thc to prove that it could be done, and that quite possibly some landrace sativas can trace their ancestry, in part or in full, back to chinese broadleaf Hemp.
If they have any of those seeds left I’d be interested. I have some chinese giant seed hemp plants going now, in need of transplanting.

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I was gonna get the gage green Columbian black …then he went sideways
I’m not sure what went down but heard he lost it all And started over with hybrids and shit
I’m remember when he sold “bastard seeds”
Those had unknown parentage…really.

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The evolution and movement of Cannabis “species” is super interesting. I put species in quotes because modern day use of sativa and indica as different species is not supported, but then the species concept as a whole is super messy and fluid. But most people use them and I’m not trying to be THAT science dick, I just want to share information!

Chinese hemp genetics are likely going to form the backbone of the more profitable fiber varieties from what I have seen. China doesn’t care about THC because they recognize that 0.3% is a stupid, arbitrary, biologically meaningless level. Years of racism disguised as public safety has really done some harm. (I know I shouldn’t discuss politics, so sorry in advance, but shit like this is why voucher school programs are so dangerous and harmful to the country)

The Chinese plants tend to flower later and ive seen growers pull, legitimately, 30x the yield from Chinese plants vs Canadian or European genetics. They just tend to be closer to 1%. In terms of sustainable agriculture, the 0.3% line does a lot of harm to growers and consumers.

Hopefully you can get those Chinese seeds popped! Id love to see them growing!! When they say a plant is gonna be tall, they typically mean it!

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I have decided that I no longer believe in indica, sativa and such. I think it is all just pot. Its either domesticated or wild. I know that is not the accepted theory but its what I have decided. 🥸

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Not even wide leaf vs narrow? @Magu

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@Upstate The Transkei’s has an old oil rag , minty ,woody sweet herbal , pepper, spicy

Lesotho’s sweet herbal mango-ish (fruity) woody spicy pepper

This is just my take
obviously everyone will have a different opinion , as spicy pepper can be
aniseed-ish too some ect

And you can find straight “Durban poison” with sweet aniseed terps
Among the Transkei’s and Lesotho’s but need high seed count and a bit of luck

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I agree with that and I have for some time. I don’t know if I think it’s one species with several/many/lots of subspecies, or one species with lots of races. Because I’m a birdwatcher but not a scientist, I’m leaning towards one species and many subspecies. :crazy_face:

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I agree with @rasterman and @Chara . It is always the same plant but it does what it needs to do in order to adapt and survive in the enviroment that it finds itself. Of course the seedlings resemble the parents because of genetic inheritance but those physical characteristics change to match its new home.

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There may be something to Snowhighs use of dry ice to make hash from his seeded bud and then sell the seeds.

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Do any of you have experience with Herbaria Bushman Ciskei?
I have the Bodhi repro and am considering popping into them