Limiting access to seed-runs, auctions & fundraisers

I am pretty far for having the knowledge to make seeds. I am starting to understand the plants but far away from being able to breed.

I am worried about the site, not the seeds. I could make a list of people already missing because of sponsoring or latest monetizing drift of this forum, it is beginning to be long enough so to be worried about.

Thanks for your offer but we are speaking about philosophy, I have already shared with people I know and appreciate and also being gifted by them. I will give back to the community when ready, but not anyone just passing by to get free seeds … :sunglasses:

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I’m not worried about the site. It’ll be here well into the future.

There have been some that would rather increase the exclusivity with discourse brought to a private conclusion. OG already has the private lounge to cater to senior TLs, PMs, etc along with the aforementioned ability to limit participation on the seed runs, etc.

But, OG is not really tuned to present itself as a private members forum rather that would be somewhat contrary to the charter. There are places out there that will cater to that but that is not the overriding goal here.

The admin does listen and we do help to entertain ideas that may include some limited access areas and events but the bulk of the discourse is intended to be freely accessible to the community at large.

Perhaps some of the folk that have left for other places because ‘sponsors’ or ‘monetization’ could also provide guidance on how to hook into such groups. I don’t have such information myself but also don’t really seek it out.

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Dude there’s a million teenagers with kids and at least as many shitty breeders that can tell you, knowledge is not a prerequisite. You just have to learn the plants you’re growing and kill the weak.
Do you have an active journal @George1961 I have trouble keeping track of everyones journals anymore. lol

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Many times it’s hard to me to explain something in English, I am worried about the spirit of the site, not the site itself. I think we are beginning to lose what it makes us different from other forums: feeling like a family, knowing each other, helping and contributing without expecting nothing, no ads or sponsoring, no quarrels and discussions between members …

I come here not only to learn how to grow but also to meet my “virtual” friends and make a laugh with them. If many of them are quitting the site because of the drift it lately has and I think the same as them I know what will be my final destiny … :roll_eyes:

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I agree that the spirit and unity of the site is an amazing aspect that makes OG an amazing place.

It is not the moderators or any one person that makes this a great place to be. It is the community as a whole acting together. But one aspect is the accepting nature and the willingness of everyone to allow others into the fold by remaining humble and patient.

We have had some high energy members and great contributors that on occasion lose sight of this and have started conflicts on even the smallest of slights. It does occur and it is natural. We have also had some new members acting like block heads. This occurs and is also expected. The community does need to at least help mold the conversation, be accepting and patient, and allow some time for integration.

Although, there have be campaigns started as some individuals feel they need to interject a vision onto others. Sometimes it’s deserved but sometimes it is not. Making it into an on-going campaign is not about building a community. Instead, it is about that single individual.

OG has never been about one person, cliques, or exclusivity. It is about community. There is nothing that is preventing the family feel, the knowing of each other, helping or contributing. Working together with diverse values and ideals is not always easy but at the same it can be easy. Patience. Be humble.

It is up to the community to help avoid and deescalate the conflict rather than actively escalating them. Communicate with the moderation team, be patient, be humble. The bad actors will be asked to leave in due time but it not necessarily immediate. There is a learning curve and history to be considered. Patience, be humble.

The ads and sponsors have been discussed. It is an unfortunate necessity to pay the bills. There would not be an OG otherwise and the community could not grow.

edit: There are going to be growing pains. I lose my patience from time to time as well. We all should try to do our best. I do believe we have one of the best communities on the net. I’d also point out I’m making generalizations and not specifically referring to this OP.

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I humbly disagree with this, just take a look of the leader’s list and you will see the vertebral column of this site, even if they are not all that they should be. Thanks to their commitment, sense of humour, help and knowledge this site goes on and is an enjoyable reading.

If our oldest and most reputated members slowly disappear this site would not vanish, but wouldn’t be the OG we all know.

I have a Seedbox with 1 terabyte space and unlimited traffic, I pay just 10 € per month, I don’t see why all that amount of money needed.

I haven’t seen any discussion about ads, that is a subject that interests me and never seen such thread. This was the spirit of this site:

I feel free to stop my contribution as this statement was broken and there are ads already. If you can kindly point me where that adds discussion took place I would appreciate it …

I don’t see a good point in that, the only reason to look for it would be “Hey sponsors, we have 100.000 daily visitors, pay me more as I need bigger disk space and more traffic”. So it creates a problem instead of solving it.

The OP of this thread is LJ :upside_down_face:, I cannot remember who was it before being splitted. There are no personal remarks on this, even being this discussion in the Shark tank. I think these questions affect the whole forum and need to be explained and discussed, that’s all … :sunglasses:

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I’m not entirely certain but I’ll disagree with the disagreement. The whole of the community contributes to the whole of OG. It is an expectation when joining as an individual to contribute to the community as it stands. Singular persons, cliques, and groups of individuals certainly have a strong voice in what that might look like but, taken alone, it does not comprise the whole of the community.

Leaders and moderators help in many ways to ensure productive discourse. A leader, unlike a manager, relies on those around them to do the right things and will encourage that. They will endeavor to make course corrections as necessary. They rely on the community to make choices that further OG, they set the tone, help to resolve conflicts, and help to bring OG forward and into the future. In most cases, they don’t have to be involved with everything.

Though, people do and will leave. That includes those in the leadership / senior roles. While few desire to see that occur, such roles are entirely voluntary without compensation. They do not receive unbounded accolades and appreciation. Much of their time is spent dealing with angst which is a reason why they heavily rely on the community to do the right thing.

Like anyone, senior members and leaders will get tired, have other interests, have a families and work, or decide to take on other ambitions. It is not unexpected for this to occur but it’s also safe bet that other trusted members on the forum can eventually pick up the torch when and if such a sad day arrives.

At $10 a month that sounds like an opportunity to stand up an example. I’ll suggest that it won’t take long to realize it will not be a scale-able solution, it’ll have minimal storage capacity, and there will likely be significant performance issues.

The suggested solution seems to be a limited member / private site more or less devoid of growth. It’s a workable model but it is not OG. Likewise, with more members there is theoretically more folk that are able to contribute, scaling.

The why was covered. Though, feel free to PM the admin (LJ) on that concern.

The OP was split from the complaint about the GA3 on the now defunct auction.


I feel a bit as though we are starting to cover the same ground and I’m now just soap boxing this stuff. While your thoughts and ideas are valuable, I’m not really changing my line of reasoning. Ultimately, some of these issues are really not my decision to make in the end anyhow.

All I can offer at this point is that you bring your thoughts and concerns up in the request for features, to TeamOG via pm, and LJ and we’ll do our best to address your concerns and consider whether there is a common solution.

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I think our point of views are now clear, even if we disagree in some concerns I appreciate your time taken to enlighten this matter.

I won’t request anything as there’s no way to stop the drift this forum has taken and hope for the best that my predictions are wrong, only time will tell … :sunglasses:

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Thanks @Northern_Loki I wouldn’t say it better. I’ve mentioned many discussed bits already in different topics in the past and you have summarised it excellently. Nothing have changed about my vision of open forum and I hope that there is still majority of users who see this approach like OG’s advantage. It is just the scale that has its challenges.

All auction proceedings since February have single purpose - hardware upgrade.

Our traffic has doubled in past year (and so did activity in the forums - number of actively contributing members and posts). During preparation for our latest (software) platform upgrade in February, I’ve been going through all aspects of our software needs, solved most urgent pains and identified our server bottlenecks (currently mostly lack of disk space and CPU cores). Sometimes even you can notice that there is few seconds delay when server is too busy serving high load requests (e.g. uploads, full text search) from other members. That is not pleasant and could affect our performance and in the end user experience. People actually do quit using sites because they are slow to load.

I’m trying to work with the statistics from the history and predict future needs and always try to include safety margins (to have some reserve if possible). From what I’ve been able to asses (and also after debates with my fellow server admin colleagues), I came to conclusion we need something like this Cisco UCS C220 M3. This one in used condition is available for approximately 2750 USD. It needs to be upgraded with new hard-disks and NVMe drive. Expected budget is around 4-5k USD.

It would be great to upgrade this year. I’ve tried to negotiate fundraiser auctions with donators and goal to buy new hardware.

ad Seedbox. I understand that from your user point of view it may seem like valid comparison. But your seedbox can serve only one purpose - seeding torrents. Our (future) Cisco server could run dozens of seedboxes like yours. OG’s situation is not comparable to a position of seedbox “user” but more to a provider of seedbox services. I have needs similar to the company that runs those seedboxes for customers like you.

We have grown to the size that it would be extremely impractical to run OG by depending on external services (virtual servers) instead of our own bare metal. Most importantly because of costs and security.

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I think this information is valuable and should be seen by the community so they could express their thoughts and doubts. The Shark Tank is not visited by many people and this kind of info will enlighten many doubts and mistrusts that people may have … :sunglasses:

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I’m running into the slow to load now.

How many members do we have compared to actual users?
So this amount will climb pending on how many members.

There’s members then there’s people who just sign up does their false membership effect your max number before we have to upgrade?

Costs a bit to operate one of these I know from the last private club but we had a max membership also. With only 25% actually being active.

Growing pains

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Of course not, I’m looking only on real activity numbers (mainly server load at peak times). Sign-ups are not of concern.

Moving relevant part to #community now.

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The site having it’s own dedicated server on lockdown is a great idea and I hope we can all make it happen soon. There is alot of traffic on this site and associated fees go up quickly when the numbers keep climbing. I see it as a good thing considering the ideals of the community. We should all be glad Joe is thinking ahead and not ignoring the site and allowing it to slow down. Overgrow the server I think not, overgrow the world , I hope so.

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Just to clarify, we are on our own dedicated server from the start.

When I was reviving OG in 2016 I had one “surplus” server which was pretty old even back at the time. 90% of the time it does its job well, but it is starting to lack the power in peak times.

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That’s awesome to hear, I remember reading that before now that you mention it. I bet there is a surge in online presence now that most people are grounded to there :house:

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Any reason why that cisco box in particular? Its pretty outdated, a Dell poweredge R620 has similar specs and can be had for ~$200. I’d sooner get an R720 or R820 for a couple hundred and call it a day. They’ll have better specs and yeah, a couple grand cheaper. Just add in the drives and such you needed like you already plan. I run a PC repair and electronic recycling shop and have been a network/systems admin for a decade. If you were in the US I could find a way to just give you a newer server but I feel like you’re in the EU and I’m not so sure on shipping for a ~40lb+ 2U/4U server :confused:

Could always check reddit.com/r/homelab and/or reddit.com/r/homelabsales as I bet you could find the server you need or better for cheap. Obviously warranty might be a concern if you need/want it but yeah, just a thought ^^

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I have seen many people moaning about newcomers being able to bid in auctions, earn a prize in promo contests being his first pot or participating in Seed runs.

I propose that all those perks and giveaways should be in a hidden section available only for Level 2 members and ahead, also that the requisites for being an OG member were harder.

My doubt is if this idea is also shared by other members of this site, I should have expected more opinions and discussions about it but seems people think it has been already decided.

I would urge to participate at least in this poll so we have an idea of what people thinks about it.

Should we limit access to Seed runs (non particulars), auctions and fundraisers to levels 2 & 3?

  • YES
  • NO
  • I DON’T CARE

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You already know how I feel about this

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I don’t think they should be hidden at all but perhaps have a minimum posts or something before being allowed to post or edit wiki on certain topics …but the hidden stuff puts good people off I recently referred someone to here …he was signed up for bean basement but put off by the required log not because he doesn’t grow he definitely does but that regular updates aren’t for everyone some don’t have the time and well some of us get forgetful :wink:

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But I don’t like the seed swindler’s myself that said

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