Live & Reloaded

Glad you are feeling better with the blunts in your system. Looking forward to the blunt tutorial. I need to get around to rolling some with the tobacco I’ve been rolling cigars with. From the backyard of course :sunglasses:

I’m impressed with your throughput of lines/generations. I learn a lot from this thread and all the content you post. One day soon I’ll begin to approach my pet project with this newfound knowledge, to take the words to plants and plants to soil. Ortega is in my telescope :rofl:

GO!

I can now that I have a tent. Very much anticipating summertime. Soil preparation is beginning already. My dirt looks better every year I run my hands through it.

Cheers buddy, glad you are getting to enjoy the tastes of your work :cowboy_hat_face:

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IntroMendel-GS-P4

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After seeing some effort of a guy over here promoting the seeds of a friend, i actually found a perfect example of what is decoding a genetic material in a specific way. The GG#4 is actually a perfect example to illustrate the whole section.

Let’s invoke Seed-finder again, the goal isn’t to be surgically accurate, but to understand the dynamic of one given cut.

At first glance, you take it for what it’s not, in the order of the genetic weight:

50% Chocolate Diesel
25% Sour Dubb
25% Chem Sister

Reduced brutally and in grouping everything chem/diesel related under the “diesel” criteria :

Diesel = 62.5% (25%+12.5%+25%)
Katsu Thaï = 25%
BOG BBgm = 12.5%

Now let’s go straight to the core :

1 - Competitivity

The “diesel” can be carried directly by any good SD line, chem91 line, chem4 line, chemD line … whatever if it’s a BX or not. Eventually with the cuts in backup, to be sure to respect the 60% “diesel” of the original.

The flaw in the pedigree of the GG#4 is the sequence of the “Diesel” construction, that look like more randomly reinforced that really stabilized somewhere.

2 - Poly-hybridism

The job is too short in generations to permit a margin that identify the GG#4 as a true polyhybrid.

3 - Standard

The initial standard is globally decried. Even, about the cut.

From my point of view i don’t see any advantage to use all these watered-down Diesel injections so often, to finally do a labyrinthine BX.

It’s more about a question of time really spent in R&D than anything else.

QnG

The standard of cannabis is dual : Grade + Quality = Standard

The whole season of the farmer happens in two phases : the production then the processing, and represent the global quality aimed and rationalized.

Why spending more time and more resources on a cheap low standard made for the bulk market ?
How to increase the competitiveness of a genpool without increasing its standard ?

farmerSide

Like any farm, a smart strategy become fast a virtuous circle.


Production - Genetic Health


I can't list exhaustively all problems leading to a DNA denaturation, almost anything in an ecosystem can play this role at the right moment.

One automatic leverage of quality is the management of the health of the living DNA : motherplants are directly concerned.

To check the box of the “Genetic Health” leverage then to enjoy its passive gains, you should consider this as a sanitary profile mostly made from observations and regular maintenance.

Consider anything stimulating the primordial defenses of the plants as a potential denaturation of the DNA, then as a risk for the predictability and the grade of your selections. Off course we talk about epigenetics fators strong enough to modify the behavior of one progeny, not about a single mistake in the nute’s schedule or a season a bit more cold than the previous.

Now let’s consider the three cases that a HQ farm can encounter in breeding :

qualityCheck100PC

  • max genetic health ressource (artificial peak, apogee, planning) = ready for genetic production

careStop

  • P1 female wounded veg-mature and just before being transplanted in 10 clones of 100 seeds = production on hold, the line is entering in cares.

hardlibrary

  • P1 female wounded beyond the natural senescence and just before being transplanted in 10 clones of 100 seeds = holly shit, lets start an emergency BX and IBL.

In the diagram, the % of intensity of DNA is a shorcut to explain the mess it is when a plant is triggered on multiple fronts.

You saw already in previous sections the complex game of the heterozigosity and alleles for just one trait, imagine the war now when the plant have to read its DNA most of the time to face multiple lethal threats : most of its energy is wasted in emergency expressions, and not really to express its phenotype. It’s a fragile balance where the vigor and the congenital health play a role.


Production - Seeds Production


As stupid that it appear, nothing better to drive accurate selections than fresh, vigorous, well calibrated and matured seeds. And it’s another underestimated passive leverage.

With a weak progeny the DNA will be a bit excited instead being used passively as a blueprint for the phenotype. Not an advantage for the predictability of the progeny.

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In this little graphic the whole purpose to only use the best grade of seeds to produce genetics.

In Green : A high grade and fresh seed that was produced in taking care about the regime of the mother. The dna will just be used by the plant for the architecture.

In Yellow : By mistake a cytokinin booster was given to the mother during the seed formation, making the cuticle (in pink) hard like dry leather. The seedling spend most of its energy and reserves to generate an expression that overcome a strangulating cuticle.

In Red, a seeded mother attacked by mildiew and gnats during the seed formation. In pink, an infected cuticle by mildiew. In red, a food reserve deprivated by the chewed roots of the mother. The whole energy of the seedling is spent by the defenses.

A streamlined high quality of the seeds used for the production of the genetics has a direct passive impact on the quality of selections : the breeding stock have to be stellar.

seedCut

While your seeded clone is hardenning the ovulas in flowers, the plant is already determining the quality of the offspring. Spoiler : It’s (almost) all about the food given to the seeded specimens.

In green in the graphic, the direct production of the specimen during the formation of the seeds. It’s the hot spot of disformations and mutations generated during the formation of the seeds.

  • APEX (gibberelins)
    Critical function : First node. Decide when the first vital photosynthesis will occur. The sooner the better.

  • COTYLEDONS (auxins)
    Critical function : First and unique complex food until the first true photosynthesis (2nd node).

  • RADICLE (auxins)
    Critical function : To colonize and to provide oxygenated water.

For the example, if during the formation of the embryos the mother receive nutrients enriched with hormones … it can compromise the quality of the seeds directly on three critical points.

  • SHELL (cellulose)
    Critical function : The bunker of the embryo, during 4 months or decades.

  • CUTICLE (abscisic acid)
    Critical function : The cosmonaut suit of the seed.

  • ENDOSPERM (auxins)
    Critical function : The snack backpack of the embryo.

These points will be more affected by different cases of excess and residues in the medium of the mother : high Cal or high limestone in soil that harden the shell, cuticle hard like leather because the mother was P overfert, and for the endosperm it’s directly the first week of grow that is scheduled. It’s the food backpack of sprouts, and prepared also during the seed’s formation.

Keep it as a guideline to search your way :

  • None hormonal treatment / enrichment during the formation and the maturation of the seeds.
  • Dedicated feeding schedules that are copious but simple, zero flo boosters, basic micros.
  • Between the hardenning of ovulas and the ripenning of the seeds, a streamlined grow that dodge hydric extremes.

To stabilize early the quality of the seeds produced is critical.


Processing - Harvest


Behind the apparent innocence of this step, the eventual leverages to increase the global quality are numerous and diversified.

Seeds-Harvesting

First it’s important to identify the needs of the seeded female involved and its profile of flowers.

  • Early pollination, fluffy bud, normally resinous, low water content in vegetal mass, Haze female. We will maybe dry the plant entirely un-trimmed, then watch if the drying process isn’t too fast.

  • High yield pollination, rock dense buds, very resinous, high water content in vegetal mass, Kush female. Maybe we will trim directly the individuals buds and dry them in a net, watching the duration as well.

Tips : Take care about the strains that are very oily while seeded. They really need a “curing phase” to let the shell fully absorb the oil after the water. If dried too fast the homogenization will be bad and it can worry the germination rates.

Seeds-Calibration

Basically sorting the seeds by maturation, then by size. Useless to explain, but the leverages behind aren’t always considered.

Sorting the seeds by grades permit to pre-screen the best products for genetics uses.

AAA Seeds even with a good mother, are rares because exceptionnally shaped or sized. Genetic material.

AA Seeds should be 50%-75% of the whole production or something is wrong in the process or the timing. Genetic material.

Irregular A : Seeds perfectly mature and shaped but with various sizes or eventual disformations. For weed.

Grade B can eventually fit cheap freebies and bulk offers, i generally do the weirdest experiences I’ve in mind with these grades. Exotic germination, tests of new lethal epigenetics factors … For guinea pigs.

Below grade B it’s woody and dry immature seeds, they are good in salad.

This a practical example on how i manage this simply, a portion of my standard.

No matter the amount of seeds, i do it manually but it can be machined also.

Like a grand pa with a plank drilled with holes just below the right diameter or with 5 digits industrial machines that are quite impressive now in term of parameters.

Seeds-Treatment

This step is worth a dozen of tutorials and it concern the treatment of calibrated seeds. In the agronomy the sprectum of use is quite wide, from a targeted pesticid coating the seed to anti-fungi in passing by colchicine, girrebellic acids … the suject is really vast.

But in the concept of a standard it’s something to integrate even if the only process integrated is by example a “seed washer” to be sure to have a certified by labs “0% THC hemp product”.

The treatment of the seeds can matter for various reason. In term of standard of quality you can make a difference as a litle label or as a little gear if you prepare your seeds with banes improving the vigor or reducing drastically the necessary time to transplant a first time.

Dutch Passion (seeds pictured in the tittle) and Green House Seeds used this extra but more as an identification system for mixed packs, the approach was bad. Too expensive for the goal aimed, and seed-coating is strain-specific due to the principal production we are breeding for : the content of trichomes. “One line, one formula.”

Seeds-Drying

The drying process is most of the time limited to don’t store the seeds with too much water. Preventing bad germination rates and fungi. It’s quite fast with experience to naturally feel with the fingers the right texture of the shell : not too slippery (water), not too greasy (oil).

Moisture analyzers to check the dry stage of seeds can be found quite easily and all prices. Those sold an hundred are generally enough and fast.

The generic rule, is to dry the seeds under 10%. Generally between 3% (freeze) and 5% (fridge), but the line can affect the sweet spot with the rate of oil/lipids in seeds.

Honestly just giving a shit normally of your drying process, is giving you an edge on the average commercial release. And you keep a track of the freshness of seeds, you’re already competitive.

Not much informative trick outside to dry your seeds with the care that you give to your weed. And you think about a label, well at least a stock management in head for seed’s age. All kind of wholesalers always appreciate.

So dry them slowly but dry them enough to only feel a light oily feeling on the fingers.

At this step it exist also a couple of treatment existing that i will group as “gas treatment”. Generally just after the pesticide bane, industrial seeds are directly dried by gas treatment. Various ones, from essential oils to ethylen gas. It’s generally redondant with the banes, to penetrate with gas what the solution doesn’t.

Seeds-Packaging

It’s not about the flashy sticker you will choose but more about the multiple flows you have to feed with an unique intermediate stock : genpool, protos, r&d, releases, stock refresh of one line … one time they are well processed and ready to shoot, you have a “bulk stock” that later will be dialed.

The rule is simple : seeds are a living material with a “best before” date. Of course, the better grade the better lifespan.

So treat it like food that need refrigeration. I personally prefer to reserve the stock in vacuum ziplock for their first meet with the fridge. But whatever hermetic and emptied from its air will do the job. Don’t forget : don’t break the chain of the cold and you should be fine for years with good seeds.


Processing - Storage & Library


These two categories are all about the planning of the farm, but also about the risk management.

An active library is where the selected specimens in production are : motherplants (clones production), the clones themselves (weed/seeds), the seedlings. the quarantine … it’s the genetic library in real time.

A passive storage is where the unselected specimens are : seeds of inbred lines, a nursery subcontractor, fresh entries in the genpool, but also the intermediate stock of seeds i was talking about previously.

Behind the dumbass consideration, a true decisional advantage while you’re producing one or a fews catalog at a time.

LibraryDiagram

Let’s start with the library and its context :

  • The A1 female was found in an IBL selection, offering many genetic and productive assets.
  • The A5 male is the brother of the A1 and its equivalent in term of evolution of the genotype A.
  • The B1 male is another ressources of the library planned to be used to produce the AB11 F1 with the A1.

The graphic represent the potential dynamic of one single specimen. Even if the specimens able to perform in the four directions are quite rares, it’s better for your organization to consider all specimens on this model. This way, their partial use can be left to the context.

On the top layer you have the recycling loop. If you maintain a given genetic reference, it’s that you don’t want to lose it obviously. At short term you have the propagation by clones and at long term the propagation by seeds. This section isn’t about breeding grade again, the field of the stoner. Ïn the farm you’re exclusively in the processes and the seasonal planning (indoor or outdoor).

So the very first dominance test of a cut is in the process as well that its stabilized version years later. It’s still 1 slot in the farm anyway for the daily routine. The difference being that you’re “jailed” to renew the motherplant (genetic health) until you outperform or at least equal it.

One time a (genetically) reliable BX or IBL is set, you’re free to go in seeds to replace the reference by better.

It’s always important to rationnalize what will cost the line overall when it enter in the genpool. Putting it in the balance with the rationnal genetic reward aimed is helping to launch the seeds at the right time, for optimal conditions.

A neat planning joined to known processes permit to have an idea instantly of how many time will cost a final hybrid from scratch. Whatever if it’s for a negociation or for the R&D.

productivityStorage

This diagram is a fidel representation of a true cup winner circa 2008-2010, and beyond the presentation of the sequence there is some important prevention in term of storage management.

So we start with the A15 Gen1 in Jan2K, a fresh F1 checking all boxes to compete. Except the bag appeal, carried by a recessive NL that provide unstable results.

The goal was to stabilize plushy/round buds with long pistils and that were drying like stones. Not a dreamy shopping list at all, but the description of the reccurent expression to make dominant/stable.

Apr2K, a first selection was made with two different mendelian strategy and one of the two opposites pairings just failed when tested on the fly. The buds hunted just disapeared. Seeds were given, the A15 Gen2-B becomed the main WIP line.

During the test-round in Jul2K, i make a promising pairing but that failed by lack of linked traits with the “rounded buds”.

So i invoked the storage :

  • I have launched all seeds remaining of A15 Gen3-B to have enough combinations to find a linked bud shape.
  • I have launched all seeds remaining of A15 Gen1 to generate directly a progeny locked in the heterozigosity required.

I Jan2K1, the A15 Gen4-B2 gave the female and the A15 Gen2-C1 gave the male of a bankable female cut and seeds (not to retail, to trade with the cut).

What’s important to catch in this slice of breeding is the generational message that i will assume entirely. Past the “good enough” stage, the needs become more tailored and demanding at a time. So the breeding correlated with this kind of product, wich can’t be an easy and straight line.

The management of this genetic buffer is not only a time machine on demanding/cocky hybridizations, but also the insurance to be on the fastest at this game with a polished planning.

Just a feeling lol : The final line was a (Male F2 x Female F4) of the same initial line, making it a F5 (Gen5) BX1, as the final cut screened from this.


The productive STOCK


This is maybe the most complicated qualitative parameter to transmit to someone that never worked on high constraints. Mastering the tempo of the lab and germinating the seeds at the right moment still a critical factor to improve the quality of the lines.

In the chain of production, this stock is a buffer that depend entirely on the capacity. It’s the only checkpoint where the stoner and the farmer can merge their respective strategies for the sake of the common interest : improving the genetics.

Stay focused and try to extrapolate progessively the explanations to your case, even virtual. It’s more complicated that it look, and it literrally determine if you can integrate the market in a durable way.

Let’s consider a lab now with a single unit of production, a 4x4. But by the spectrum of the capacity in term of number of specimens.

StockDensity

This is the average stat i keep in mind for a 4x4 tent/space. This is not a maxima or a minima, but a safe stat to handle the vast majority of strains in a kind of sweet spot in term of constraints.

It’s not arbitrary numbers, and behind them there is bunch of considerations : the unit have to use the same equipment at different density, this density represent ratio between a comfortable environment for the plants and a valuable round of reproduction.

Now consider all of this (rvk, lights, watering strategy, feeding chart, artificial duration of the grow planned …) in letting work your imagination a little bit with two opposite strains.

Let’s take a comtemporary haze like the Jack Herer. It’s in the group of the narrowed shapes. The “spades” that are auxins freaks. So you can lower the zone of comfort for this strain a bunch : 50-70 in juvenile stage, 30-40 in mature veg, 25 in mature flo.

On the other side of the equation, you have strains that are quite bushy or that are naturally dominating with their perimeter.

A White Widow will be bushy (like all cytokinins freaks) within the second stage. But this genotype handle very well extreme densities in breeding. The zone of comfort of the strain being lower than the Jack Herer, the capacity increase proportionnally. Let’s say by a good 30%.

Now an underrated, still difficult, line that i appreciate : The California Indica (SS), that can be considered as a cyto-gib freak a bit like the Hempstar. This shit when vegged just want to kill everything around with its shadow, making in breeding the use of dense rounds quite expensive and less efficient than a perpetual germination. Until the stock for the round is gone. Better to stick with the reference with this one to do a proper job : 25-16-9/4x4

These slots change with each repro, selection, proto … it’s important to integrate it early even if it look overkill. Next time you have something to do with this line you will know instantly and accurately what represent the slots of such a round : number of clean pots to have, volume of medium to have, eventually nutrients cost and light cost … that become decisional tools.

StockCalendar

This graphic show that the slots themselves are inflatable and deflatable, and this isn’t predictable.

  • The RED specimen shown none of traits hunted : the slot is free. It’s an opportunity to replace it with a spare seedling or seed, from this project or another.

  • The PURPLE specimen is a male selected and will leave the main space : the slot is free.

  • The BLUE specimen represent the full range of finalists : from January to March.

You do your homework so it’s what you got :

JH (Fn+1) IBL(main)

  • Genetic funnel : 50->25 (50% screened)
  • 2 pairs hunted : 4 finalists (92% rejected)
  • Indicative duration : zeroveg, 120 days
  • Operationnal cost : 500$
  • Cost per Finalist : 1$/day per 4x4

WW (Fn+1) Repro(freshDNA)

  • Genetic funnel : 65->35 (47% screened)
  • 1 pairs hunted : 2 finalists (97% rejected)
  • Indicative duration : 85 days (veg25-flo60)
  • Operationnal cost : 425$
  • Cost per Finalist : 2,5$/day per 4x4

CI (Fn+1) Selection (main)

  • Genetic funnel : 25->9 (64% screened)
  • 2 pairs hunted : 4 finalists (84% rejected)
  • Indicative duration : 95 days (veg30-flo60)
  • Operationnal cost : 330$
  • Cost per Finalist : 0.86$/day per 4x4

At this point you can compare the rounds and to choose wisely when and how to start them. You can also prioritize the rounds : why not keeping the most expensive rounds for December, just before the rush of the sales of Spring ?

Even for a little surface, this kind of datas have their importances. That’s the down-to-earth aspect of the farmer’s side.

The Calendar

As crazy that it look, it’s not a common tool used by stoners. The farmer need oit to plan the saeson, but also to calculate the capacity.

In the single 4x4 of the example, the farmer can fit the three projects : the JH ibl, the WW repro and the CI selection. Let’s see if it’s strategic.

The three lines : a total of 140 specimens screened, 10 living materials extracted + a bonus of one round with a short line (<65 days).

Only the WW all the year with perpetual germination in perpetual grow : with culling that’s around 100 specimens per 60 days batch, 6 rounds per season then a total of ~600 specimens screened for 2 high accuracy living materials extracted.

Now the planning become a true leverage of adaptation.

The Trades

The stock of the farmer only concern the current season and the genetics used for this cycle. Everything else is not his business.

The trades concern the harvest of the seeds or the clones but also what come from the inventory, the genpool, in real time.

If the stoner forgot some seeds in a corner of the fridge, the farmers launch it automatically to maintain the stock the freshest possible. The farmer also kno if it’s th right moment to receive a new cut in production or not, with the motherplant to maintain aside.

Fresh DNA

Beside the flow between the genpool and the farm, there is a margin proper with having fun with nature : testing the line of a friend, receiving in emergency some old risky seeds to save for yesterday but also facing an emergency : all motherplants to renew in emergency, a test–line that say “throw all seeds of the last three generations” with the urge to use the time machine with seeds 4gen old.

For this don’t go crazy too often and stay around a 75% capacity to stay agile.


The productive GENETICS


The concept to grasp a portion of quality here, is to never blend the three categories until they have reached an singular evolution.

evoIBL

A portion of the genpool that stay constantly in evolution isn’t only waiting the last day of the freshness limit of the stock. Repetitive repros are handly to screen herms but don’t lead much somewhere outside the averages in general.

If a progression for the given genpool is wanted, each line of this type should be considered as first priority. If they passed the status of “simple repro” to a true genetic material, what’s the point to let it sleep in the fridge more than the others.

It’s important in term of slots and calendar too. A sedentary line planned to evolve is one of the most expensive in term of seeds and lab. The insurance to find a better pair than the previous one become harder with the number of generations, and the ratio of selection fall in underground.

You can “grow them all”. But in breeding you have to choose your horses to be competitive.

It’s virtually possible to maintain an evolution with 100 lines, but with how much staff ?

This is maybe the stronger leverage of quality of the whole but also the longer and the harder : reaching the point to create hybrids only with true "in house"genetics that evolve each other season. Take in count also that it mechanically improve the hybrids made from these materials.

The experience + the pragmatic Farmer’s calendar, will tell you how much lines you can handle this way. And don’t let a line sleeping in fridge because the name, if it’s not good enough and that you’re lazy to germinated it to improve it … maybe you should reconsider the presence of the said line, locking many slots for nothing.

First priority in the Farmer’s calendar.

proto

The prototypes regroup everything related to the R&D. Generally single shots to map a dominance or to test a pheno, but it contain also more long and advanced methods like polyploidy breeding, different kind of reversal, and extreme experiments.

Here it’s more about the discipline. To transform the prototypes in evolutive genetic material before really using them. It’s not because you got this nice bud with this lucky pairing that it’s necessary a good bet on long term, transform this luck in a reliable asset and stabilize what you should be.

Second priority in the Farmer’s calendar.

RawMaterials

Raw materials are considered as not mapped even if they are known and have already be grown. It’s not because you bought the strain XYZ 2018 that you will get the same genotype with the strain XYZ 2024.

You can put in this category different lines sent by the Stoner : sourcing a line, “motherize” a cut, entering a line that need to be cleaned, sourcing a landrace, even the seeds of friends to test. To enter in the genpool, they have to pass the quality check of the prototypes.

Last priority in the Farmer’s calendar.

grade

We are now in the home of the Stoner and in the “call of the weed” of the hunting.

It’s no longer a question of competitive quality that everyone with a hint of regularity can reach. It’s about the grade of the work then directly in wich league you’re playing.

Come back in the introduction about the GG#4, and try to decide as a stoner what kind of project to do now :sunglasses:

  • An hybrid with something popular : seedfinder say that 686 referenced crosses are listed, enough to be considered as already crossed with “everything”.

  • Trying to outperform the reference : Now you’re talking. It can be on a single trait, a set or even only based on blind smoke tests … still better than the 687th chunk about it.

Don’t be this young dog running everywhere and considering everything as a potential release.

It’s just eventually an asset to build with the Farmer. Call him to know what it take to play this league, but only if you already have in mind the breeding plan.


Lead Breeding


ChainLab

A good lead breeding is the most adapted one in front of unplanned worries along the breeding plans.

Replacing a line, using a cut BX, using the time machine to hunt back something … it’s the lead breeding of the Stoner. The Farmer just impose the practical constraints of the project.

Unfortunately, this is not a spot where you can grasp passively some leverage like the quality. It need a constant observation of the averages, and regular comparisons.

The grade of a line is initially a decision that is setting the goals, then later the market is setting if your grade is competitive or not against a similar offer.


Breeding plans


Lead.Breeding

The breeding plan is the temporary “how to” that the Farmer will apply in selection/maintenance. And “reducing flowering time” isn’t a decent breeding plan.

We saw in the Farmer’s production that many traits can help the passive gain of quality : cloning performances, answer to pruning, pest & disease resistance … to reinforce the genetic health.

If it’s leveraged from the lead breeding, the competitive quality become graded as well : weed + the most vigorous seedlings of similar offers. If in bonus you fix a problem of the initial reference (herms, bad cloning, lack of vigor…), it’s a jackpot to impose your line.

The same way it can be interresting to leverage the quality and the grade of the seeds produced : duration of maturation, calibre, germination rate, quality of the endosperm, nutrient’s tolerance …

At each step of the loop, the Stoner should think about what to bring on the table of the competitivity.

It’s statistically very rare to can cumulate passively all advantages of the productive linked traits, without building a backbone-line from it. But not rare to find at least one favorable linked trait linked with the weed (vegetal mass + chemotype) that only need an equal watching to be maintained or better, improved.

But checking during the selection if all rejected phenotypes are those that clone the faster and the better, by example, is also doing a job of prevention.lIt can teach what the weed hlnted represent in term of cost to the genotype and how to prevent it.

lol

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Really enjoying the last updates, it keeps getting more and more interesting, and you keep pushing this software wiki editing capabilities lol. Hope this constant raise of goodness is linked to how fast you’re recovering.

P.S: Enjoy the COB also :laughing:

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FoodStats35-107

Laid back week, i passed most of the time to play with tobacco leaves, to roll blunts and to smoke them ^^ Kind of celebration too, medically the worst is behind me.


The last female of the round to be seeded, quite stubborn.
2 California Indica F2 line, 2 AK47 F2 lines and 1 COB line are closed.

For the secondary AK47 pairing, an opportunity of the last minute with a female that developed certain floral qualities on the late.

Spoiler of the week that passed ^^ Only one remaining damn, long to roll … evaporate instantly !
I prepare an exhaustive tutorial to present this secondary hobby.

Most of the others plants are well advanced, some space will be made within 2 weeks again, can’t wait to launch the next seeds.

This is the little Giger#1, that decided to be just perfect lol

see you around ;o)

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So a cool week

That’s quite an achievement, with a bonus, congrats.

Can’t wait to read that, you’ve been teasing with it.

G#1 looks really nice, there’s hope to see some chidren.

Enjoy the blunts!

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What it do, brother Fuel? Hope alls been well. I’ve been a tad busy, but I enjoy what you’ve done to the place. A lot of good information that I’ll surely catch up on in the following weeks.

Much love.

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This is the landing week for me, kind of return to normal. I still have constraints but things are less omnipresent all the time. So i transformed a bit the lab in a factory of blunts these last days ^^ I take tons of photos to present this side-hobby more in depth, another wiki to write lol

So yeah these last days my life was made from blunts nigh & days and it’s dope lol It feel like vacancy on an island a bit.

The most complicated being to don’t smoke them all while you roll them ^^

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Good to read you’re good! You seem to have put yourself in a nice cozy place. Starting an industrial blunt rolling factory in the bluntcave. You should start an IG and sell them lol

Looking forward this blunt wiki. Will it start by how to grow tobacco first? :laughing: Tips on drying/curing the leaves would be cool.

Meanwhile I’m drinking the updates of the other one.

Enjoy!

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Totally the bluntcave ^^ You know when i enter but never when i get out from there lol
I’ve even the cuban yellow tips of fingers ! But i’m lazzy ass the leaves are ordered, good grades ones, but getting seeds of criollo used by Cohiba company … hell yeah i make a full loop and i open a brand lol

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Bluntcave co, est. 2024 lol

Always wanted to try to grow tobacco, seems a hell of a plant, but the drying seems to be an art by itself. Ordering sounds far easier :slight_smile:

Also when I see blunt pics like that, I’m wondering “Hmmm, what about COBing it?” Wonder how well it would work, and what would be the outcome. Maybe you could try that?

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Nice…

The Blunt Cave is alive and well.

Nice looking tobacco there. I grew tobacco and dried it much like cannabis, stacked and vacuum sealed the leaves. Occasionally open them, they’re pretty after 2 years of this. I’ve been rolling conventional cigars with it… but this inspires me to try a few blunts :sunglasses:

I can’t NOT try this. I’ve been pleasantly surprised with the cobbs I made last fall. This upcoming season’s outdoor sativas will be partially cobbed in blunt format.

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Glad to hear you are returning to normal, @Fuel

All you need now are some of those blunts containing Jack :wink:

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2 years! That IS curing. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Woot, didn’t know you were into cobb that much. That’s cool if you manage to try that, keep us updated! Might be a total failure as it might be really good :slight_smile:

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It’s not a difficult plant and it is quite helpfull in the garden (for insects). But yeah the drying is something to learn or the tabacco is quite harsh and without much taste. Still not too much complicated and demanding in term of equipment, someday you will see a tabacco plant sedentar in the tent maybe ^^

Now with a single leaf, you can cut 4 to 5 big wraps and to choose fancy cultivars to test before hunting seeds ^^ But companies offering quality leaves with a nice choice isn’t current, i’m forced to import the leaves from US.

In my landraces period, i pushed a bit with COBbing but I don’t find a sweet spot. Banana leaves, Corn and even underground curing in clay jar ^^ It’s not placebo, the product you obtain is really singular. Very sweet and “velvet” in throat, but i don’t appreciate this kind of degradation … i prefer the curing in fresh blunts by far ^^

And it mean a lot ^^ The harder is passed, i can handle again the crop, i restarted some sports, i even eat omelet now ! lol The big bud weed is working well to heal the psychologic wound, making me lazy and able to enjoy good times. But i smoked so much blunts that i have the teeths of a pirate now lol

Actually the management of the two final products are quite close. I roll some cigarillos sometimes but it’s rare, nothing replace a good sweet blunt ^^ If you need indications to enter in the sect, a very exhaustive wiki is coming soon enough. The pleasure to sip an hour this kind of blunt is hard to compete imho

Hell, don’t forget to take pics !!! ^^

Thanks buddy, these last two weeks were hardcore. Glad it’s finished and on another type of progression curve.

Fucking nailed ^^ Less tasty and “candy style” but better medecine than the Big Bud for what i need lol
No need to “blacken” the teeths with the JH :yum:

I’m even pushing a bit the remnants of the tent to germinate sooner the next round :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m unable to keep any weed this long ^^

The worse that can happens is a “cooked” weed, still very sweet to smoke at least ^^

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Remaining plants gave what they have, i must say not so much except Giger#1 and the seeded females. It’s smell the end of the road for some that have started to vanish, they will get plain water until the cut. I can’t wait to germinate the next round.

The blunt factory still active, even if the stock of Big bud is now quite low. I rolled like a devil i must say, but damn it helped a bunch at the right time.

I also found a way to recycle the Sensi packaging, perfect format lol

First tests on flavoring look like successful, kind of luxury backwood wrap ^^

see you around ;o)

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How are you doing the flavoring? Vanilla extract or one of those “tobacco flavor” products?

Happy to see Giger doing well and a blunt-filled Sensi box.

Cheers!

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It’s already documented for a further wiki ;o)

Basically the flavors used to dip the reconstituted tobacco or hemp wraps are the same that the one used in vaping. I’ve tempted a Vanilla and a Blueberry with high grade stuff. I’ve rolled one Vanilla to know if the dosages are decent or not, conclusion soon enough ^^ Damn, i need to slow down i smoked so much blunts that i’ve the smile of a pirate now :grimacing:

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This time, I’m entering in a concept built over a bunch of various failures. And it’s all about this : being able to isolate with pragmatism what belong to a tactical errors (breeding plan), what belong to a strategical errors (lead breeding) and what belong to the inherent chaos of life (jah). For the better, and the worse.

It’s a philosophical part of breeding that can have practical impacts, on your proper evolution at one point.

This section is all about my personal vision on how to integrate the chaos in your kung fu.


The concept


It’s not so a mystical point in fact but more the integration of the chaos falling in your dirty hands.

The banner of this section ally twos opposites concepts than become complementary in practice :

  • The inherent randomization of the DNA, quite symbolized by the Chaos Theory formula. It’s almost the equation of evolution. The dynamic of the rise of the population (of factors) being interconnected with its randomization. It’s also used in music, genetic researches, ballistic … and all domains where “subject n+1 = factor n+1”.

  • The balance of unlucky and lucky shots balance that mostly tend to “a purpose to decypher”. It’s where my use of “Jah” find its place, to never forget my part of responsability but also to best handle what can’t be controlled with accurate selections and mappings.

The utility of this is to keep a lighthouse’s beam inside the mist. It require some experience and some plant’s lessons, but the earlier you able to identify what belong to your duties and what belong to the battlefield, the better.

When I started to inbred the ST#3 a while ago, i was aware of the constraints to inbred a BX3 (duty). But I was under evaluating the number of parallel lines to maintain such accuracy in terps (Jah).

As well that a dominant “bubblegum” flavors on the late, popping from the selective pressure (duty->Jah). I finally traded the line when i was no longer able to work on it (humble lab).

It’s not selling determinism at this point, but the necessity to handle an ambivalent manner to manage the big picture. It is more the cascading consequences of any seed you’re germinating than Jah on your shoulder writing a personalized journey for your ugly face.

To romanticize it, i will say that Jah in this concept represent the avatar of your evolutive potential. It’s under your influence yes, but as the chaos agent you’re representing in the equation.

It helped me many times to “breed the breeder”, i hope it will help to find better concepts.


The practice


It will ask a bit of abstraction to understand the equation as a whole, but i will present it progessovely to higlight the critical dynamic.

For the introducing example, it’s quite an universal case study. A line bred for its good grow and the relative quality of the weed. Basic farming.

  • It concern most of stoners growing their own, whatever it is. We are a majority to choose a dank weed that grow well, as the fundation of the standard.

  • Unfortunately, today it concern also a bunch of little labels with a destructured offer. The lack of understanding also about “white labeling” something. Sometimes it’s just better for the cycle of sales to operate multiple labels specialized by pollen donor, as a seedbank (yes, even little and even one-man-army).

  • It represent also the pivot point where you can fall definitively in breeding if you followed the right lanterns, those giving results.

So yeah, basically it’s a context of phenohunt that concern everyone. Motherplant to smoke or outcross of a cutm… doesn’t matter.

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Among the rounds (in blue), the genotype will breathe. It inspire the ecosystem + its own genetic production, it expire phenotypes.

They are not equal in the chaotic ladder just because it’s impossible. Not flowered the same month, not the same season temps/rh (even indoor), not the same mood of the farmer … we have all our shamefull rounds and stellar ones engraved in mind lol Factors are infinites just like any ecosystem.

The white dots represent your true responsability as a breeder in term of will and operational decisions.

It take in count the case when the only one specimen saved from a 100+ germination is just fire and better than expected, in the last white dot at right.

It take also in count the case when the pairings extracted are antagonist. The round 1 & 2 boost the growth performances of the genotype. The round 3 drastically improve the flowers from R2 generation, where the R4 balance this.

It’s more close to the real evolution of a line trought a true breeding program, in our hobby. “Jah deciding what will be the journey/reward”.

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This is the next step after the popular phenohunting.

On this example, a selection based on the final product only : aromas, floral mass and trichome coverage.

At first you’re hunting a shape prone to produce a given weed. By the dynamics of chaos and how Jah will push you to adapt, rounds will constantly generate new influences on the selection.

To get more grip on what is making the soul of the weed, ït’s necessary to define the phenotypes by an accurate and justified evolution directly, with the traits.

Trait 01 : Trichomes

Many ways that can have each its own influence, and that’s the concept : answering to the chaos with the chaos.

The line can be simply germinated massively, pushed directly in 12/12. Only the most crystalized female is pollinated with its closer brother in term of shape and timing.

If the will come a flaw of the line (lack of trichs), better to map the most powerfull limiting factor : nutes uptake, photosynthesis, root mass type, flowering time … to find the perfect antagonist to inject.

It can also be a simple hash making stat …

The quantitative screening will be powerfull to directly find a compromise or a reference. The chaos being more patterns and nuances to decypher at a time during all the growth. Jah watching when you launch it and in wich conditions.

The reverse-engineering isn’t anymore in the intensity of what make a good pheno. But more on the blueprint of the leverages of the pheno.

  • Are the most crystallized pheno the more rich in lemonene ?
  • Are the fattest pheno smelling lemon as well ?

Etc … it’s all about mapping the concern.

The hash maker way also have it’s on randomization. What are the densities of screens used ? Dry or wet process ? How the grade is decided ? Yield by the raw-wet-weight of trichomes, that push to mature a lot the plants, or Yield for a certain grade of screen, that ask a more fine date of harvest ?

Adapt this to any additional trait you want, but interconnected with each others.

Now, the more we look closely the more we see imperfections.

  • This pheno smelling like a green lime just cut, totally lack of yield but is well covered (2/3).

  • This pheno that shine like a disco ball isn’t very potent but taste citrus fruits, is covered and fat. (3/3 + compromise).

  • It’s the first time this line is selected in winter, and generate the discover that the line was so herm rightly triggered by cold. (Jah 1 / You 0)

The more you’re settings complex breeding plans that are not based on previous rounds, the more you cry your mother that nothing happens like supposed.

It’s important to understand this duality fast and early. “Calm big picture” and “rushy magnifying”, in being used to travel between the both perspectives for the decisions.

But also to include the progressivity in the planning. You don’t reach the peak of trichomes production the same way on a WW and on a Sensi Star.

So over to hunt a kind of unicorn grouping a ton of compromises, why not hunting traits instead and to include a dose of breeding to handle this.

On an IBL you can choose what you work from one gen to another, nobody say that you have to work all at a time. You can have three inbred lines of the same strains dedicated to yield, lemon and trichomes. Or a line that you work alternatively on each trait. What will make the real difference in the grade of the genetic isn’t the way you handle it, but the level of the standards you set before choosing the approach.

Any way taken, it’s also important to understand that the goals and that the operator are sources of randomization. A progressive breeding plan that can be adapted will preserve the more competitive trait of your lab : the constancy.


Learning curve and breeder's evolution


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It’s a true mystery in the kingdom of the padawans for me. They all want to know this hardly, but are never happy with the answer lol After 5 privates padawans (2 professionnalized) under the belt and many meetings in the game … i can insure it’s crazy regular, no matter how much the ego dislike it.

The diagram is showing an intermediary step happening after the first predictables results. Only to reach this step is a journey. But if you read this wiki, you have the compass to reach this step organically with a rational lead breeding.

In Green, the comfort zone.

It’s a competitive asset and a trap at a time. It concern the strains you’re really mastering (in you genpool or not).

Don’t search to identify this if you’re a fresh meat. Because it’s a no-brainer answer with a momentum dedicated to evolve. You will know it fast enough, generally it take only two seasons of breeding (full priority) to discover it.

You can’t grow them all. So you have to listen the hunger of your soul to find the best starting point.

Only think about what you have smoked in your entire life, even if you find it too restricted. There is weeds we never forget and that unconsciously build for good the “cannabreeder” we can become.

With mileage, zero comfort zone mean that someone fisted your opportunities. It’s a clear invitation to change the way you’re educating yourself on strains, but alsojhow you reward he farmer you are with your favorite plants.

With mileage and awareness, it’s a zone where you can fall again for different reasons. It’s way faster to leave, but one time you catch back the vibes only.

Let’s digress a bit. I talk often with nostalgia and respect about my industrial period, over the destructive leverage it was to piss fems night and day.

When you enter in the industry, there is no place for gas lighting lol It’s all about your reliability if you’re aiming a new social ladder financially. If not, sincerely join a collective. For yesterday.

When it’s all about how many decent catalogs you can generate per season, the success is more addictive than any popularity. Even if you’re a stray dog like me. It’s the direct valorization not of your work, you don’t give a shit it’s cheap pizzas, but of your methodism. And each time you get a niche-edge on the competition, it’s getting worse.

And it’s how you’re falling in looping status quos that cryogenize your evolution and make starve your soul.

It took me one germination to leave the zone (instead 2 years for a fresh meat in general), but to get back my soul feeded by the mileage, it took me over 5 years and many tries to process with objectivity what consumed the soul. Spoiler : ego. Always this shit when you have a limiting problem in breeding lol

In Yellow, the battlefield.

It’s where the battles happens. Victories and defeats, and their cycles. Repros of everything not yours can be counted here also, some defeats can take years too lol

The fresh meat should love by obligation this groovy space. But smartly, in sorting the bigger challenges like seedlings.

The dusty belts should keep a minimal “pain in the ass” works inbetween the inbred lines.

Both with some sense of chaos and a backward on how Jah can make it a joke lol

In Red, the exploits.

It’s exactly where you’re the most punished when you have a lack of methodism. And not lightly :

When you succeed, you don’t know why and how to do it again. When you fail, it’s the same problematic.

But it’s not only a punishing zone, it’s supposed to be the next comfort zone in the list. Each time you will hit this roof, the floor below your feets will elevate a bit more and give you more chances to evolve.

Typically it’s the damned COB i sourced last year. It was just a cheap white label line that don’t offered what was sold, a given expected weed, but just a solid growth and sexual stability. Enough qualities for today to test the roof in increasing drastically the potency.

The chances that i close a fixed parralel line this way are lows, but in being used and trained to differenciate the context from my flaws, it’s at worse a training session on a type of hybrid planned to be worked deeply. Even a neutral balance is enough justified to hit again the roof.

Now the thing that the fresh meat always miss is the manner to hit the roof. In mixing R&D and risky production.

You can’t expect an exploit if you don’t innovate somewhere in the process with a high delta of risk. Why doing the same thing that usual will harvest more that the comfort zone already do ?

R&D is there to feed the evolution, and to constitute refined tools for refined works. Not to make them easier, but sharper and specialized. And to sweat blood lol, don’t dream. Competitivity is mainly based on what can’t do the others on a regular basis.

With cannabis breeding, I’m now firmly convinced that strangely the best ballistic is this damned red line, the exploits. As the starting point when you don’t know shit but as the end game as well.

Inbetween, it’s the constitution of your methodology. Based on the exploits you’re hunting and have hunted. Never forget the ambivalence of a breeder : it’s a farmer and a stoner as well. Mastering a line as a farmer is not the same thing than mastering the line literally.

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A long road for me and for the plants finally, and a return to the normal. Kind of.
5 lines seeded + 1 experimental, that’s the reward to have pushed the cursors a bit. The next round will be more chill, only three four lines ^^

Speaking about it, the decoration of the grow desk got a new stuff.

Can’t wait, even if I know by advance that the thai influence is kicking on this one. In a first time i will give full priority to multiplication, so i will not itch much ladyboyz until i’ve a load of seeds to kick their ass.

Procedure of germination a bit different than usual, on 3ml vials :

  • kelp+N (Startbooster)______0.10ml
  • H202___________________1.25ml
  • Water___________________1.25ml

I prefer to dodge any interaction with fulvic acid with this one ^^


Giger #1 is simply beauttifull, i’m stressed to don’t have any decent pollen to give her lol I will just enjoy this female and grow it for my pleasure, i’ve a bunch of F1 seeds of this line. I’ve to stop to smoke weed all day long and to get a good hundred of liters of soil. I’ve to transplant her, the ERSB seedlings too.

What’s remaining from the AK, all females of the batch in fact. 2 seeded in front left.
Overall, all specimens deserve to be smoked in a blunt. They are all treats with their variations, mix of sweet and fruity … very bubblegumish ^^

One female seeded is the only one to have the genuine AK terp profile (on top of traits i hunt), like with the previous batch. Musky, lightly mentholish, kicking sinus.

The other female is the best representation i found of this new fruity/treat variation, in a less fancy from than the mother of the AK x shiska. More “alien fruit” than treat.

I’m a bit mad, there is a lot of work to do than planned to stabilize the stuff. With two parallel lines in bonus. But i forgot the experimental one lol

Male’s seeds, S1 F2 ^^
In photos, a trick to do it well :

  • one time he’s seeded : clean the whole plant from all its floral shouts, but one at the base of the trunk heavenly.
  • place the male under 24/0 regime, high N high K+

It give you a decent time to mature the seeds and get something viable genetically for observations. Again a “know your enemy” just like the Big Bud S1.

What’s remaining from the California Indica and the California Orange Bud : 3 seeded mothers.

2 calindi lines : one selected for a friend and one for the generic repro.

I’ve already smoked a bunch of COB … it’s disappointing.

The potency is interesting in the balance (warm high), the smoke quality is very nice (expanding like a Kush, humid velvet) but the terps are WTF-hay. Exactly like a martian mean green but without the yield and the kick ^^ Not worth a blunt on all females sampled, a 2/5 in potency.

It still a surprising reliable line. None embryo turned herm, the vigor overall is neat and the uptake good. A lot of job to do again, but a promising skeleton to boost in potency got for cheap.


What is remaining from the fems. They are well coated, but more like a chick you met in a pub with a ton of makeup. And the next morning you realize that without … you deserve to stop drugs lol

The ETH x PBC is definitively losing the match, but the ETH x C91 is not shiny either. I feel a bunch of interesting things on terp dpt, but it’s quite bland. Not frankly “diesel”, not frankly “NL5”, not frankly something actually. Potency is stoney but messy and blurry, on a 2.5/5.

These two lines are shining by their smart selection of the pollen donor, i got only one banana on one specimen and in late flo. It’s a good job on this part, they were screened like others of this round.

I’m waiting to finish the most promising phenos, if i can say this, before building an opinion with the SD / C91 equation.

Kind of wink ^^ I also should show the good example to my padawan and give some example of datas management the proper way, not on flying A4 papers and the previous devastated notebook already full ^^

Instead using the notebook both sense (flip upside down : stoner side, flip upside down : farmer side), i materialize the double use ^^

Lets roll some cones and let’s put the ERSB seeds in the sprouter !

stay strongly green

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3 or 4 lines next, that’s holidays lol

G#1 is really nice, so you won’t pollinate it?

Maybe this AKs are not what you expected anymore, but they’re still nice plants. Quite long to finish though. And so reversed a male. That’s quite cool, not often used nor shown.

You did well despite the circumstances.

Have a good sow!

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It can be interesting to share some slices of breeding because at this stage i’m living a couple of problematic explained in the wikis … in term of grade and quality. On both subject you’re highlight ^^ Let’s extend to something never shared usually, i roll a fatty and i make a wall about it.

Context : One year ago (i told you that it will be a wall), i decided to reboot the lab on a new philosophy. Then i writed some lead breeding organigrams to decide a sequence for the genpool : short version, two “street weeds” pounders are planned .The AK being the closing spice of one.

But Jah is a joker, and i got a challenging situation. I decided to work from a direct 2023 release but i wasn’t expecting to be challenged by its herms. Rate of males on two similar batches is around 65% wich is a good thing, the problematic is that these males are all herms. The craziest point being that all females are sexually stable and passed heavenly the screening, both batches.

It generate a problematic in the lead : the AK is now a classified raw material. I mean a few gens before being enough reliable for the standards i’m aiming. It affect also the program of the other prototype to build.

An exhaustive feedback on AK is planned son enough, I will even introduce notes I think. I pass on the details then but within one round, the last remaining from 023 season, my breeding plans are immolated lol And it’s normal, it’s a cattle and not an app code.

But it sux for such a product that have so much weight culturally, honestly. I appreciate the weed too and maybe more the recent tasty variation finally.

The options taken :

  • strictly like the BigB S1 i just finished to smoke last week, AK S1 are maded but from the source of the problem : these fucking trashed males. I do all i can to make the seeds viable and to launch them asap; the ennemy have to be mapped as fuck to be screened in the repro.

  • I have to confirm the good weed of the first batch with what is finishing to flower, but at this point i think it will be without any surprise : worth some high grade blunts. Two lines are maded from a combo “shape/terps” using the same male, just the one able to be triggered the last. It make me crazy, but there is no way i put another coin in the jukebox.

  • I can cheat the ratios at this point within one generation only. In pushing the parralel lines to produce females for a reversal production, then make a (ibl x ibl) fem gen. The subterrean herm problematic will not be directly experienced. But what’s the point for my use. I need more to bring back strong and reliable males to close some projects, and it mean a reconstruction damned hell. It’s as pain in the ass that with a landrace. And it eat fuck ton of seeds and “dedicated rounds”. I think i will opt for a perpertual germination with the AK. Two females well seeded, the male’s S1, a nice f1 proto in backup … I’m still ready for a war.

So Jah make the mess again, but over the anger for a past standard that burn in hell, it’s really all the time and why it’s facinating and addictive.

On the other hand, the stoner start to be depressive since one year … all priority given to the farmer, only dirty jobs, none real proto maded yet … i will calm him with some JH to cure in blunts but i’ve to push the lines for him. It mean some breeding plans to write again from the same inventory, basically.

The AK enter then in a kind of genetic quarantine, from where she will only get out to equal the initial standard at least. idk what will be the priority of the genetics in production, the hosting of a clone to stabilize in seeds is in question too (an hyped one), with some looping germination (until Gen seeds are out of stock) , maybe 3 years. God damn.

To be continued between the lines in the updates, it was more to share that breeding plans don’t decide the future. It will be a fun process to share anyway lol

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