I have outdoor , line bred rene from the sunshine coast, the light green hashplant though not widely known is right in there with texada timewarp. That connection with the oregon and washington farmers was strong in BC too. I used to go on rides with my uncle to big gatherings/parties in 88 and thru the early 90’s. He brought genetics back in a section of a custom made harley panhead tank. I was never privvy to the goings on back then, I was just there for the party and the girls hehe
That’s why I said in my earlier post that there are no doubt dozens just from Canada alone. Some we will never know about as the communities are remote… plane or boat access along the lower BC coast and vancouver island. Guys growing the same strains from seed every year.
I’ve been trying to get my hands on Killer New Haven
As mentioned before freezeland is pretty legendary outdoor strain in Quebec/ Ontario. Very resistant to mold and shitty weather. Been around since the late 80s I think. R2 is another one from out east. Blue domino is an old one that was grown in my area for a long time although I don’t know if it’s still around, I last saw it around 5 years ago though so someone probably still has it. There’s definitely more but I can’t think of anything else atm as I am burnt out
another old line from quebec / ontario was Mikado
This seems like a Canada heavy study so far which is awesome! Need to pop in to the Midwest OG thread and see what leads they can put me on also.
East coast and West coast are a little easier because of their history with cultivation and major metro/suburban areas. Other than TN and KY im looking for some southern states such as GA and FL that had some local strains. Bubba Kush is the easy one, but if anyone has suggestions otherwise drop them here!
Mexico, I love how they label strains, its a location and not something like Sparkle Tits. I have to imagine the stories behind those lines are pretty interesting
that cracks me up
I remember in the 90’s when indoor started to become more prevalent. The dealer didn’t say hey this is “insert name here” … it was either good or great and sometimes exceptional. Us growers had names for stuff but the guys that bought the pounds didn’t care. I mean chemo always travelled with it’s name attached and a few others but it wasnt until the late 90’s that a name of a strain became known right down to the consumer level. At least in my circles anyways. People used to react funny when I talked about shishkaberry back then but they remembered the name after they smoked it and came knocking for a bag LOL
When we were growing and moving weight to guys that were exporting it to the US , we got top dollar at the time (2800 to 3200usd) as long as it tasted strong, got you ripped and had minimal to no visibe red hairs. Our NL5 cut was the most in demand for that purpose but that’s all indoor. Suffice to say, back then in our microcosm of the west coast bc scene, names held no meaning or merit until 98 and after.
I’d argue strain names still mean very little in modern cannabis and only act as advertising. Unless you are buying directly from the original breeder, you have to have a lot of trust. Unfortunately, as you know here all to well I bet, a lot of stuff is just re-creations that likely have little characteristics of the original.
This def isn’t a popular opinion and it will be even less popular with seed and clone retailers, but the current way people grow cannabis is crazy and unsustainable genetically. Every year the gene pool gets more homogenized (broadly, there are great people out there doing great work at preserving genetic diversity) and essentially acts as a genetic bottleneck, reducing the likelihood of stress adaptation and magnifying the effects of deleterious alleles and mutations. The commercial gene pool in cannabis is really just a swamp of hybrids with little relatedness between strains or cuts of the same strain.
Now for the real unpopular part: modern seed prices and cultivation practices need to change if cannabis is to be commercially grown sustainably. Modern outdoor grows are awful for soil health and biodiversity when they leave the ground bare or covered in weed suppression mats. Many of the issues with insects can be easily solved outdoors by creating continuous habitat for predator insects. The easiest way to do this is high density planting and proper cover crop use, seeds that cost $5 a pop are going to be a detriment. This is not to discount the hard work that has been done to make or preserve these lines but is a holdover from prohibition. I suspect that our outdoor planting schemes are similarly a holdover from prohibition and that we can make more efficient use of land and resources with higher density plantings.
I am guessing you currently work for University of Illinois and are preparing your decks for future pitches to big AG / Pharma companies once things get rescheduled?
Having heirloom regional IBL in bulk would be very valuable for someone in your position I imagine. Lucky for you , I bet you will find all the cuts and seeds here on OG that you guys will need for your big AG plans to sell 10 cent seeds, and $20 pounds of outdoor boof
Shit you know it bagman! Have to imagine you guys have heard this stuff plenty of times before and the community ends up burned. Phylos still upsets some people, I get it though, I’d have been upset too.
But in all seriousness, I can say whatever promises people want to hear and make all the right jokes and references but that doesn’t mean shit. Id rather show you through actions though, people will forget what you say but not what you do.
Also…gross. I did not ever nor will I ever attend University of Illinois. However, I do know the hemp people there and have worked with them on panels for farmer education and on some IPM strategy development. If you or anyone else has been to CannaCon in Detroit the last 2 years, I was there wearing a University shirt. If you worked at a booth or talked to me, the University shirt will tip you off. Depending on what you do, you may even have one of my business cards for the free consulting I do for small-midsize family businesses.
I’ve got a couple applications out for some academic positions and when I find out the results of those I will gladly share more info.
Edit to add: if anyone did go to U of I or currently does, I don’t really mean that. Ive enjoyed working with many people from there. But you are right, Big Ag and Big Pharma have a large presence at my school, but for someone who focuses on sustainable agriculture and agroecology I never go to those lunches or seminars. I hang out with the ecology and evolution people
We’re just recollecting it’s not for any one persons benefit.
Sustainable and big ag don’t really go together
Alright well if you ever do want to go that route we should partner up lololololol
The feral hemp is from a former military fort and is left over from the war effort during WWII. It’s from 2 plants: 1 was shorter in stature with broader leaves and had decent trichome coverage, and 1 that was tall, lanky, with narrow leaves, and less trichomes. There may be some pollution from drug cultivars, as it’s in a metropolitan area.
I come from the land of ditch weed! Lot of the populations are escapes from WW2 grows like yours!
I’ve also seen it every so often in corn field perimeters. I mean I’ve seen it IN corn fields also but I dont think that was hemp
Here’s a good source for that kind of feral population, these were presumably escaped from cultivation in KY over the last century of Bluegrass growing and maybe even legacy from the days of Parke-Davis and the WWI Hemp for Victory growing:
“This Kentucky Landrace Hemp variety was gifted to us from a friend. They received the seeds from a Kentucky local who collected wild hemp cuttings from around the state and bred them together. We took these seeds to F2. They are sativa like in structure and grow similar to many fiber strains we’ve grown. They are CBD dominant and also have the tendency to auto-flower.”
No shit? How cool is that! I’m doing the same thing.
Lol. Can’t grow Afghan Kush in the Northeast without a mold festival. Takes 20+ generations to remove mold issues. I got rid of most of mine in 15 , but still some rot.
Flowering times change about a day or 2 per year, until plants find the sweet spot for your locale ,unless selecting for flower onset. I mean if the plants are let alone to do their thing, they will push their life cycle so that it completes itself when frost comes. Both of my old heirlooms finish October 11th, the end of the season here in the Catskills.
Of course the starting genetics matter. I’m speaking of hybrids here only.
sounds like @ThePotanist needs to find some of the old guys i used to know in meigs county oh. that’s midwest last time i checked. some of the best pot around for decades, maybe even now. last guy i knew that grew in oh got busted but that was almost 20 years ago now. there were some folks growing outdoors for decades in wv right across the river from meigs but i haven’t seen them for years now either. hard to get in with those folks.
We all keeps to our selfs.
Do a lot of corn growers in OH plant some cannabis? Or did they used to do this?? I know with helicopter surveillance that stopped a lot in the corn in the state just west