It won’t kill them completely but the salts that result can be disruptive. It also changes the composition to microbes that are able to better use nutrients faster and can result in losses of microbes that breakdown and cycle nutrients. It can also lead to situations where the microbes aren’t needed to help plants, so they just take sugar in exchange for nutrients the plant doesn’t need.
Occasional use or supplementing won’t hurt you, but if you primarily run synthetics its worth considering how much and what type of microbial inoculants to use
Both would be correct. The technical classification for an IBL is 6+ inbreeding generations. F11 likely has some interesting combinations or directional selection signatures!!
I’ve never seen 6 as a designator for IBL, but maybe I missed something. I feel like I’ve heard 8 and 23 tossed about as well as numbers. I think IBL should be used for seed lines that are homogenous, you won’t typically achieve that in cannabis until much later than f6
I don’t know about magnum opus and how it was brought to f11, but there very well could be a variety of genetic expressions at F11
Same shit grown each year since 1979. Same garden, same ground ammendments, same Results. You all can figure out the math. F44’s or something like that. Very well might be what some have labeled Northern Ohio Catpiss. Pretty sure this sativa, which has been able to endure the grow season timeline north of the 43rd parallel, fits the bill. This strain does hermie just enough to produce seeds for the following season. I have personally grown it twice outdoors and of the 4 plants, just 2 hermied.
The farmer, who recently passed away, grew this year after year. He smoked this medical marvel all the way to the age of 80 years old… I am honored to have been gifted this jar as part of my hometown’s history.
So I was gifted this last summer, Northern Ohio Catpiss . The back story of this strain goes back to 1979 or a few years sooner. Now to be very honest, the old man/farmer called it Marijuana. I grew it indoors a couple of times. 1st grow hermied with 2 nanners that of which I plucked off. The veg and flower stage wreaked like Catpiss on your car tire. Though after harvest and cure, terpenes took over a very piney smell. the smoke is smooth as silk with a totally euphoric high. I researched cat pee smelling strains which came up as old school northern ohio catpiss. The tallest plant I’ve ever grown outdoors 8+feet tall. I had a conversation with the old man and told him that i had ordered seeds from spain. He went to his truck and came back with a couple seeds from his ashtray. Said to me that he’s been growing this marijuana year after year . I said Well Shit, Who woulda thunk. anyhow. long story short . Grew outdoors twice. 2 plants per summer. of the 4. 2 hermied. I hope this post gives a little more insight. After his passing, his wife could no longer keep up with the chores,and the house was gutted and sold. The mason jar full of seeds came right from his favorite hiding place. Right out of a kitchen cupboard.
Man I love that this thread is attracting people!!! The pictures and stories are incredible, thats the shit I came here for.
@Acro So 6 generations of inbreeding is generally considered an IBL, but that term is like sativa and indica where there are many uses and definitions of the words thrown around. An IBL taken to 6 generations should have around 1-2% heterozygosity. Each generation homogenized the genome by approximately half, so six generations is the minimum. 7 is great and is really homogenous, but I like to cast a wide net.
There’s a friend of a friend around here, an older guy who’s been growing the same strain at his house in the hills at 44N on the MA/VT border for decades that I’m trying to score some seeds from, no idea what the genetics are but the acclimation alone interests me, I imagine it’s either an old Chem seedline or something from the SSSC like a Super Skunk. Will update here if I find anything else out!
If you get some and have enough to trade I have a Big Bud cross that’s been running where I’m at now longer than I’ve been alive. These don’t get out too often.
Sorry if I wasn’t clear, this offer was for the homie @Dirt_Wizard
I should have probably included this in here earlier, but I am hoping to repay those who can help with some of my own local IBLs that we have been growing for a while outside!
They aren’t going to be anything amazing because just hobby grows, but they have some interesting features and generally finish by end of September outdoors!
Plus I want to make sure I am giving back to the community as much as or more as yall are helping me out!
Lot of regional skunk offerings which is exciting!! Likely a result of availability, plant growth conditions, and yield. Not only does this make skunk a very interesting strain, but also a culturally important strain!!
This is why cannabis is so exciting to me. One family line used everywhere, each regional variety is likely unique to its location and breeder(s). I use breeder here as synonym for grower if they perpetuated the seed line yearly, even if they don’t consider themselves breeders. But that means each regional strain has its own unique genetic history based on people involved and location.
What a cool way to connect our past, present, and future!!
I think this would be a bit of an issue in the northeast in general, the people who’re still growing heirloom varieties they selected for over generations hold them pretty tight.
I don’t understand what the point of hoarding strains is nowadays, other than from a mistaken idea about intellectual property. If people are worried about their genetics being stolen then security through obscurity isn’t really the answer, you’re better off in both a legal and pro-social sense by showing prior art in bringing it to the public. Otherwise it’s just your word against someone else’s in court or wherever.
. The back story of this strain goes back to 1979 or a few years sooner. Now to be very honest, the old man/farmer called it Marijuana. I grew it indoors a couple of times. 1st grow hermied with 2 nanners that of which I plucked off. The veg and flower stage wreaked like Catpiss on your car tire. Though after harvest and cure, terpenes took over a very piney smell. the smoke is smooth as silk with a totally euphoric high. I researched cat pee smelling strains which came up as old school northern ohio catpiss. The tallest plant I’ve ever grown outdoors 8+feet tall. I had a conversation with the old man and told him that i had ordered seeds from spain. He went to his truck and came back with a couple seeds from his ashtray. Said to me that he’s been growing this marijuana year after year . I said Well Shit, Who woulda thunk. anyhow. long story short . Grew outdoors twice. 2 plants per summer. of the 4. 2 hermied. I hope this post gives a little more insight. After his passing, his wife could no longer keep up with the chores,and the house was gutted and sold. The mason jar full of seeds came right from his favorite hiding place. Right out of a kitchen cupboard.
but held close for good reason