MadScientist's 3rd Annual 16oz Cup Competition 🏁

[ReikoX]

@slain

This is because it can be easy to let non desirable recessive traits end up as dominant

I see this with GG4 S1 all the time, at least 50% of them herm IME. Yet everyone seems to think the S1 is like a clone, I dont get that one…

[slain]

@ReikoX

Yet everyone seems to think the S1 is like a clone, I dont get that one…

lol well to be fair when I first started doing my own fems, I did expect more uniformity faster than I got it!
Even the S4 I am doing for this 16oz currently has an intense tangerine aroma similar to Tangie, which is sort of out of nowhere when normally it’s much more sweet pina collada. People get obsessed about absolute homogeneous IBL’s and I while of course I can see the point of this from a breeders perspective, I personally don’t mind some pheotypical variation to keep things a bit interesting.

Interesting RE GG4, I had one decent cut of it and didn’t get around to selfing it, so I just crossed my super skunk/big bud over it instead, sounds like it was just as well! I would normally cull anything with even slight tendencies to throw balls, I am currently tossing up whether to bother with a 9lb hammer for this same reason, awesome smoke, hate those random nannas.

[rooted]

Shes hungry but kickin still roots ok. Dry but ok.

if these are in order tge last pic is the bigger solo cup.

[rooted]

Nope. Second pic is the big one. Im still liking the smaller one in the last pic. . Little beast coming soon.

[DiggySoze]

@slain

Someone with more knowledge than me correct me if I am wrong but every generation is a new ‘S’, so my 16oz entry is an S4, so crossed over it’s own offspring over 4 generations to try to settle some of the characteristics I wanted, and well at S4 it still seems to be doing all the stuff that weed plants normally do right?

If you chose the best S1 and selfed her, and then the best S2 and selfed her, again and again, you would end up at S4.
If you continued using the original motherplant for each generation, your first generation is S1, but then it would continue as bx1, bx2, bx3, which is what is sounds like you did.

[slain]

@DiggySoze

If you continued using the original motherplant for each generation, your first generation is S1, but then it would continue as bx1, bx2, bx3, which is what is sounds like you did.

Awesome, thanks! Yep this is what I do. So both are means by which to stabilise characteristics you are looking for though? Is either way preferable or faster? Any pro’s or con’s?

[DiggySoze]

@slain Exactly. Crossing two different plants yields the most variability, selfing tightens the genepool the most, and backcrossing is a kind of happy medium. I always encourage keeping the genepool as large as possible in all the traits that don’t matter, but I don’t have enough real world experience to even feign expertise, so here’s a thought experiment.

In the first generation, we have a motherplant that holds a trait we want and if we cross her to a sibling, we have to grow out the babies to figure out if the father also held that trait. If he didn’t, we might have to go back and pick a different male and try again. If we S1 her we already know both parents hold the trait we’re looking for, so the offspring is likely to show that trait, too. But all of the other genes are the same as well, good and bad, and we will be forced to produce feminized seeds from there on out.

So say we chose to self her, than the second generation we can inbreed sisters; or we can backcross the best individual back to our mother plant; or we can self the best S1.
Inbreeding sisters is good because we can identify the trait we want in two different plants and keep all the unimportant genes more variable;
Backcrossing the best female is good if we seen too much variation in the first cross, or if we only found 1 female that matched the mother;
Selfing a second time would be useful if we only found 1 female with the trait we want, and we lost access to the mother plant.

By the third generation, if we were to self the plants again, to S4 I’d expect something negative to start showing up. Not basing that on anything, but that’s a lot of high-intensity inbreeding. There’s been examples of heavy selfing in the clone-only markets. Lots of shitty GG4s and so on as a direct result.

[Baltimore]

I killed a gg4 auto. I didn’t make it past jump. @ReikoX who was explaining to me that gg4 has a tendency to go hermaphrodite. It was a fastbuds freebie anyway. I just hate to see a seed go down before it even has a chance. Now this sour gorilla that I’ve been smoking is awesome so I do enjoy a gorilla glue.

@Jetdro I’m 34…I know I know. I don’t know how to water a plant properly I’m not going to lie to you. I’ve been realizing that I was gun-shy at the range. I was afraid to put water on my plant LOL. And I still don’t know how to properly fertilize my plants I add fertilizer once a week a little less than the recommended dose. I just don’t want to Scorch or damaged my plants in flowering.

@slain I’ve been wanting to ask for a while but I was wondering what made gelato have that Tangerine smell and taste it’s so thick but the smoke comes out so smooth I’ve never had a strain like gelato. Has anyone grown this strain? Do you have a good site you would recommend for the future cuz I’m definitely trying to grow at least one run of gelato? Seedbank? I guess what I’m saying is I love that Tangerine taste is Tangie a strain and does it taste beautiful like that? I takes me a second to fully grasp things. But me and my friend were really Blown Away by its overall profile.

@rooted you’re looking good bro just keep feeding them we’ll see how they turn out mine were on the same tip I slit a couple of just to take a Peak they’re all swirling. I’m doing a two-time a day water and now any more than that for me it’s just pointless that’s all there intaking. I got to run the soil test I got the soil in the cops and still haven’t used it waiting for my Papa to show up today I’m so excited to see my dad dude I got to run I shall be back don’t talk about me behind my back fuckers!

[Baltimore]

This is school for me I do spend a lot of time on this site. Motr has so much going on and Sebring. There saints .I’d love one day if we could have a convention when things settle down and actually meet up that would be cool. Until then I had to stay my ass out of trouble be a good little boy.

@Deadinside88 it’s cool to see the Harvest on anything bro I’m glad you got yourself some smoke. This is the first sight I always bring up and I always check to make sure nothing crazy is going on everybody’s all right. It’s kind of like a second family without having to say is my second family. That’s how I feel about it anyway I get treated worse by my actual family. LOL. Not to say that anybody treats me bad here. have a good one bro keep the pics coming

[slain]

@Baltimore

I’ve been wanting to ask for a while but I was wondering what made gelato have that Tangerine smell and taste it’s so thick but the smoke comes out so smooth I’ve never had a strain like gelato. Has anyone grown this strain? Do you have a good site you would recommend for the future cuz I’m definitely trying to grow at least one run of gelato? Seedbank? I guess what I’m saying is I love that Tangerine taste is Tangie a strain and does it taste beautiful like that? I takes me a second to fully grasp things. But me and my friend were really Blown Away by its overall profile.

I am pretty sure that most the citrus/tangerine smell is from the Limonene terpene, but also Caryophyllene, Pinene and Humulene terpene ratios will contribute I think. I have no experience with Gelato unfortunately, but from what I have read there is a million different phenos of it so it would probably require a bit of a hunt to get the tangerine profile you are looking for. I am wishing I had a cut of the 16 oz plant now!

Tangie is definitely a strain, mostly sativa, and can get leggy indoors. I think it’s probably won more cups that just about any other strain.If you ever get a chance to try Crocketts tangie/sour diesel the amount of stink it makes is off the planet. Too much for me trying to fly under the radar, it’s unnerving when you can smell it out on the street lol. I also appreciate that thick oily profile but this is missing in Tangie, maybe a cross with a good Romulan would give you that?

AS it happens I just popped a bunch of Tangie and Tangie/Lime Haze beans in to see if I can find a good pheno for this years outdoor run. I am looking for the tangie aroma but more beef in the potency and also plant/bud structure, fingers crossed one turns up!

@DiggySoze

By the third generation, if we were to self the plants again, to S4 I’d expect something negative to start showing up. Not basing that on anything, but that’s a lot of high-intensity inbreeding. There’s been examples of heavy selfing in the clone-only markets. Lots of shitty GG4s and so on as a direct result.

Yes, that pretty much why I do it the way I am, like you I figure that repeatedly selfing just has to lead to problems down the road. All that sex with itself can’t be healthy

@slain

So say we chose to self her, than the second generation we can inbreed sisters; or we can backcross the best individual back to our mother plant; or we can self the best S1.
Inbreeding sisters is good because we can identify the trait we want in two different plants and keep all the unimportant genes more variable;
Backcrossing the best female is good if we seen too much variation in the first cross, or if we only found 1 female that matched the mother;
Selfing a second time would be useful if we only found 1 female with the trait we want, and we lost access to the mother plant.

Ha, well man I definitely can’t claim to have military discipline when it comes to making seeds but I more or less do ALL of these as needs be. The best bit for me is getting a particular trait/s you want while leaving the others behind, it’s really satisfying to have a plant that has the structure and vigour you have selected for, and the aroma/potency and say finish times from elsewhere. The one I am using it this is a good example of that , it is has branching and productivity of big bud, the flowers look can very similar to super skunk in appearance while potency and aroma and taste have largely come from the OG Kush side with some real fruitiness also from the SS.

[Baltimore]

There yo go brother it’s gelato 33. A company called verano runs that cut here it’s beautiful. Tastes like sweet tangerines. Super smooth. Deffinitely have to try it. I’m sure your crosses are all dope. If the NL I’m running is decent. I may hit it with something cool. That’s exciting to think about…

Thanks for your time. I know your busy You still find the time to grow super crazy plants.
Here’s my little frosty cup. I was able to snatch a little clone. When I saw how loaded it is with trichromes I grabbed and immature lower branch which took. Got cloning down. Yay. Que the minions.

[DiggySoze]

@slain

definitely can’t claim to have military discipline when it comes to making seeds but I more or less do ALL of these as needs be.

Of course. There’s no ‘right way’ to do it, there’s only ‘what’s the best option for this situation’

[Deadinside88]

Thanks man, and yeah for sure about better to at least have a small harvest than none at all. Just been bummed cuz I lost my 2 big ones I had in flower due to heat and shit. And same about OG being first page I open in browser.

[Baltimore]

I can understand that bro. I can’t figure out what’s affecting my larger plants I’m running soil tests. I’m bout to update the soil results and see if I can’t get the buds to beef up. They’re flowering so they’re in death mode. I know leaves fade but mine look crazy lol.

[Jdem075]

Updat on my doc holiday not much smell coming from them.

How many of us are still in it? It’s hard to keep up lol

[Explorer]

There’s you, @rooted @slain @Baltimore @ReikoX @HappyHemper not sure about anyone else. Probably have missed somebody off the list though

[LemonadeJoe]

Just wanted to say that you are doing incredible things in what is basically cup of Latte in Starbucks …

[Baltimore]

Thanks for having us sir. Always a pleasure
Have a good one.
-J

[ReikoX]

Yeah I’m still in it. They are cannibalizing their lower leaves pretty hard right now. They are what, 32 days flowering?

[HappyHemper]

I’m starting to see the same @ReikoX; plus a bit of tip burn on mine. Still stacking though.