no i joint in
because he had a link on his facebook site
i am from holland never heard of this before
a have bought a bottle over here and pay mutch more
and if you dont trust it or him please don’t buy
in china its muts cheaper😁
1 Like
@legalcanada yup thats why😁
2 Likes
@legalcanada
the diverents with the spray youre hold youre genetics
with silver water not
from female you also can make mothers
when you do that with femelized you sure you get seeds at some time they are a way more sensetif
to light stress or stress and then they also give seeds when you dont want them
and yes iam from holland so english
is not my mean language
thats the differents in its short
4 Likes
There are other types of GA but GA3 has long been established as the most effective for this purpose so using another type would be less effective and make even less sense. If there is a percent GA3 listed for the spray that would tell you how much pure GA3 is in the solution and give you a accurate idea if it’s value. im pretty sure the recommended mix is a .01 percent GA3 which would be 1/10 of a gram to a litre of water. A one gram pouch should last awile …
3 Likes
yes there is GA1 to GA100++ but sometimes people use “GA” to refer to gibberellic acid which is GA3
“In the 1930s Japanese scientists succeeded in obtaining impure crystals of two fungal growth-active compounds, which they termed gibberellin A and B” and so they’ve been given an A number in order of discovery - the British isolated and named one of them gibberellic acid which turned out to be identical to the Japanese named gibberellin A3. but what @SpeesCees1 said was this:
About GA3, that’s the Chinese version for the clean G.A. from the founder Merck-Schuchardt in Germany. Ones their legal registrating rights were over, the Chinese did send absurt much GA3 to the world, very cheap, in all kind of forms and for all kind of plants. But one thing is for sure, the Chinese Gibberellic Acid is not clean ! These day you find that info on the packing.
so i’m not sure which gibberellin he’s referring to with “clean GA” unless he means GA1? but that was discovered by the Japanese not a German… then again Ga3 was also discovered by the Japanese, then later independently isolated by both America and Britain after WW2
@SpeesCees1 do you mind telling us which gibberellin you are using in your spray if it is not GA3, and also the concentration?? thanks!
3 Likes
I’ve asked Cees directly, pointed to product linked above and received this answer:
3 Likes
Merck had a patent on a stable PGR solution containing GA3 not on GA3 itself.
Patent # US3004845A if you care to look it up. I don’t believe a naturaly occuring plant hormone can be patented, only certain mixtures and methods of producing it. Also GA3 is the common term for pure GA so I don’t know why he states other wise.
3 Likes
Thanks for your concern. I’ve put disclaimer into auction thread with links to your findings so everyone can decide themselves:
https://overgrow.com/t/no-mercy-seeds-fundraiser-auction/29711/65
3 Likes
The product may be worth what he is asking I’m just curious as to what makes it different. I’m having a hard time understanding some of the statements and claims as they are misleading whether that be intentional or not. Could be a language barrier or problem communicating as we have people from all over the globe here. I by no means want to cause issues with the auction just trying to spread some knowledge. Done with this subject as I have no use for fem seeds anyways.
3 Likes
I can only find CAS numbers for GA3 and GA4. Merck sells both of them via subsidiary Sigma Aldrich. So perhaps it’s GA4 in his product. there are only 4 bioactive gibberellins which are GA1, GA3, GA4, and GA7. i think language is def. a barrier in this conversation.
the gibberellin A4 is $175 canadian for 5mg where as gibberellic acid is $50 for 500mg so it’s possible that’s what he is using
but if GA3 provides the same result as GA4 i’m not sure what the benefit of using the more expensive product would be (if thats even what it is)? does the “unclean GA3” also “degrade the quality of future generations” in the same way silver allegedly does (which i’ve seen no evidence for)? seems to be a lot of uncertainty and pseudoscience
5 Likes
Wowwwww… somebody who’s doing some research without to start screaming in the first place.
And hé… he’s coming closer to the point then all of you here together.
Mel Frank did start it… and I just did finish the job !
WHY… do I have to share that further then selling that Spray ?
But oké, whatever, the auction is OFF.
So better don’t send money to Joe because I will send NOTHING !
You guys did give me names enough in this one.
Puberty first place… that’s what happened here.
And yesss… the Americans in front.
Overgrow will never be the same with all those youngsters who did find it all already.
I’m sorry for the adults here, but I can’t swallow that much shit anymore.
In the end, there are no losers.
Overgrow was published on Facebook.
SpeesCees did find out that here’s NOTHING left from the old OverGrow !
And the puberal guys here are happy to have me away.
THE AUCTION IS OVER.
This was my last post !
Cees
Yes, there was some uncalled for stuff going on in that thread.
Although, there were also some accusations in other threads that you might recall.
Then,
Irony.
3 Likes
Over grow needs a laugh react instead if just a heart…
5 Likes
If so many people are interested in making a GA3 solution im sure I could lend some assistance… Simply dissolve it first in DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) then SLOWLY add that to an aqueous (water) solution. If memory serves, a lot of people are using DMSO to assist with STS and collidal silver for penetrating the cellular wall; it should do the same with GA3. A caveat is to be careful as to not crash out the GA3 from solution of the DMSO. If you shake it and noticed a precipitate forming, you’ve crashed out the GA3 and need to start over or add more DMSO to hopefully uptake the GA3 in solution. Both the DMSO and the GA3 can be purchased through amazon.
- BD
10 Likes
to be honnest i find it
beautifull to see that ik works and mabye
the most find it to ecpensive i think
but when you pay 500 a you get a couple 100 seeds or more the first time it cost only 5 a piece so when you make a couple of 1000 seeds there just be 0.50 so in my opinion wat os expensief
now to start to make my own ga spray sounds
mutch cheaper but then you al forgret
how to find the right dose so maby the righting a bove would help than yoiu have a ga spray oke but than you must find the right dose
so why should i go for the cheap version
i heard that he works 14 years on this
thats to much time fore me
so i figure it out when i should shel the first 100 about 5 i got mine for free and i could easy make mutch more so at the end
iam happy wih this
5 Likes
Purchase what makes you comfortable and what already works for you. Absolutely no problems with that. In the meantime, maybe you’d like to get involved with those looking at alternative solutions as well.
There are smart folk here on OG that will poke their nose into things and try to make improvements whether that’s a new technique or economizing.
You’ll learn a lot by participating and trying new things. Maybe save some cash in the process or discover something new. It’s not always successful but in some cases it is.
As an example, Advanced Nutrients. Gold in a bottle. You could develop the exact same thing they sell for $80USD with 10 cents USD, a container, and some water. But, to do so, it’ll takes some research, maybe some experimentation, and some testing. Some folk get into those things because of the cost while others love the journey. Then, share the results with the world.
8 Likes