Here’s one: Depthcharge on IG/ICmag. Cool guy, smart dude. Verifiably been doing this a lot longer than I. And probably you, too.
I actually have one of his crosses with a feminized male. Banana Kush s1 male.
You really thought you had me with some sort of “gotcha question” lol. Swing and a miss.
This is simply not true at all, I am suggesting he could be more open minded.
Open to the fact that such a thing is possible.
I am open to the fact that this all could be an intersex issue as science warrants such thinking. AKA I have a good reason to.
Also
Stop saying I am saying it is on everyone else to disprove it.
Please quote me or stop with the made up shit here.
After reviewing the evidence at hand and there is some evidence, circumstantial as it may be, it is still evidence.
You know, evidence, like in court.
If you think about what evidence is for a min. here.
You can have a ton of evidence, that by itself does not prove anything, but this allows you to form a theory of what you think may be happening after weighing the evidence properly.
You folks seem to be dismissive without reason.
Why does this have to be about me with all these accusations?
This is not about me, so let us not get personal here.
Wrong again, what is with you folks and your accusations?
I don’t really watch podcasts, as I said before real science and real science papers is where my info. comes from.
Maybe get a clue before making false claims about someone you know nothing about.
Again, why is this becoming a personal attack issue here?
May I suggest it may be a provable theory, just need a DNA test to prove one way or another.
I think we can all agree on that, no?
And the proper circumstances of course.
A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts.
What is my well substantiated explanation you may ask?
Well it is well substantiated that plants do experience Apogamy in the natural world.
This is well know biology and Apogamy follows and incorporates those laws.
hypotheses and facts
You have heard my hypotheses on why I think it is possible in cannabis.
We have evidence it could be happening.
There is no scientific reason for all/most C3 plants to experience Apogamy and for Cannabis to be exempt.
At least I have not found one yet.
So I feel if it can happen it probably has or will happen.
The most compelling argument against is…I just don’t believe it can happen, ed says so.
I feel I have made my case here.
No need to say the same thing over and over again and again.
My mind is open to the possibility that this can happen.
The way the world works today, we may never know til someone throws down the cash for a proper test.
But that will be the likes of GW Pharm ect.
I can only imagine the shit those boys are into over there bout now. 
Peace
Shag
There’s only one thing a DNA test can prove:
Both moms had a secret 
“According to the DNA evidence…you pollinated yourself!”
(audience gasps)
woman throws chair. cheering intensifies.
That’s the definition of a hypothesis. Doing the experiment, and having it be repeatable by others, will make it a scientific theory.
I am sorry I was editing my post, please see it for the follow up.
Thanks
Shag
Is that not what has been demonstrated here?
Folks of all sorts claiming their experiment has shown apogamy?
I thought that is what I read, I could be wrong here, may need to re read things to be sure.
And some have claimed it is repeatable, possibly intermittent with some strains/cultivars.
I am pretty sure those are the claims.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
I am human, I make a lot of mistakes on the daily…LOL 
It’s semantics really. I even posted a funny meme to lighten the mood. In the context you are using it, you have a hypothesis not a theory.
Please show me someone who has grown out one of these cannabis seeds and had both the parent and the progeny genetically tested. That is an experiment to determine if your hypothesis is correct.
Simply finding a lone mystery seed is not an experiment. That is an observation at best. Repeatable means running the same experiment (genetic testing) and getting the same results, not getting a lone seed repeatedly from the same seed.
Yea, I picked up on that, I gave you some likes.
All in good fun sure.
Well if I could this would be a matter of scientific fact would it not?
I agree, as I stated folks claim they have repeated the experiment and it was succesful, not proven but a success none the less.
They were able to achieve the same results they had achieved in the past.
Therefore I see it as repeatable.
And just because we can, let us say it is just a hypothesis.
Call it whatever you like, say I was wrong how I used theory, yea, I am cool with that.
All in good fun! 
You don’t seem to even realize that you’re the one making ad hominem attacks here. I already quoted you saying that you were just “calling it as you saw it” when you said he was close-minded. You went on to tell him he hadn’t provided a small reason why your hypothesis isn’t true, putting the burden of proof on him. Now you’re telling me to get a clue because I was wrong about the details of how exactly you heard the breeder from Ethos tells people he does this. Potcast, “real science paper,” what the hell is the difference if there’s been no proper experiment and it’s just one breeder with a bad reputation coming up with wild ideas and presenting them as solid truth? You haven’t posted anything that would qualify to me as anything like evidence. Certainly it wouldn’t hold up on biorxiv, and that’s explicitly for papers that aren’t peer-reviewed.
Anyway, this is the last time I’ll be responding; the system has kindly reminded me that I should allow other people to get involved, and I don’t really want to be involved anymore. If you come back with anything real, feel free to post it; I’ll see it in June.
You are right here, I dont feel I am.
go ahead and quote my attack.
I missed you quoting my quote please quote again…LOL
This is not true either.
I said he did not provide a reason for why he believed what he believes.
Or feel free to quote me.
You make a claim about me like you know me, so I told ya get a clue.
I stand by that.
It is not polite to make claims about others.
Or to try and put words in their mouth like you are doing here.
I disagree here too.
You state it is just one breeder if you read the thread you will see your statement is false.
You keep making false claims, therfore I say again, get a clue brother.
Or at least stop making false claims.
You must consider yourself some kind of authority on the subject.
Just so you know I feel no need to prove to you anything at all.
Hey here is an idea big shot bio guy.
Post your question over there and see if they feel that cannabis Apogamy is plausable and get back to us.
All this, attack the messenger B.S. is old and childish.
As I stated in my intro. this is exactly why I do not like posting on pot forums anymore.
Not a good conversation to be found.
It is no wonder all the helpful folks have left and do not post anymore.
Just a bunch of childish personal attacks.
Who has time for that.
We haven’t started yet.
Apomixis occurs in at least 33 families of flowering plants, and has evolved multiple times from sexual relatives.[12][13] Apomictic species or individual plants often have a hybrid origin, and are usually polyploid.[13]
In plants with both apomictic and meiotic embryology, the proportion of the different types can differ at different times of year,[11] and photoperiod can also change the proportion.[11] It appears unlikely that there are any truly completely apomictic plants, as low rates of sexual reproduction have been found in several species that were previously thought to be entirely apomictic.[11]
The genetic control of apomixis can involve a single genetic change that affects all the major developmental components, formation of the megagametophyte, parthenogenesis of the egg cell, and endosperm development.[14] However, the timing of the various developmental processes is critical to successful development of an apomictic seed, and the timing can be affected by multiple genetic factors.[14]
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Flowering plants are plants that bear flowers and fruits, and form the clade Angiospermae (/ˌændʒiəˈspɜːrmiː/),[5][6] commonly called angiosperms . The term “angiosperm” is derived from the Greek words angeion (‘container, vessel’) and sperma (‘seed’), and refers to those plants that produce their seeds enclosed within a fruit. They are the most diverse group of land plants with 64 orders, 416 families, approximately 13,000 known genera and 300,000 known species.[7] Angiosperms were formerly called Magnoliophyta (/mæɡˌnoʊliˈɒfətə, -əˈfaɪtə/).[8]
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So at least 33 out of ~416 families of flowering plants have been known to reproduce through apomixis, female apogamy.
I think the first step would be to see if there are any other flowering plants in the same Order (Rosales) or Clade (Rosids) as Cannabis, that have been known to reproduce through apogamy/apomixis.
I can’t find anything that says that
most c3 plants can be prone to apogamy
Everything I can find says it’s generally only found in polyploid plants, which cannabis most generally is not 
Whats up guys love this discussion. So the difference between Apomictic plants and hermaphroditic plants is the displaying of both sexes vs immaculate conception correct? Or are Apomictic seeds supposed to also be genetic twins to their mothers as well?
For what its worth, Marijuana already has a really strong tendency to intersex itself. I would think this Apogeny would only be a genetic step away. Whether its hiding a single pistil in a calyx as @GMan found, straight herm town, or jesus juice I think this weed keeps trying to propogate itself and if left unchecked could overgrow the world! Lock the doors and baton down the hatches!
And to add a little intrigue to this mystery I’ve only ever come across 2 seeds from my guy since BC. A bomb ass Blue dream from 15 years ago. This Blue dream went around for a solid 1-2 years, and knocked you out of the park like no other local did at that time. In my lifetime of buying BD only that one seed ever came out, 15 years or more. Then, out the fucking middle of nowhere a single mimosa seed at christmas, Terpy as fuck too, couldn’t believe it, asked all my peeps and guy nobody else saw a single one. Now, I cant say for sure they either havent been cross pollinated but i know my guys ratio is 2 seeds in 15 years, Still got both of them 
When i was younger i used to use a credit card and a book to sift my seeds out between them an the stems id get half what i bought. Seeds used to be an expensive nuisance! Now they’re just expensive! 
My how the turntables have rocked!
Actually arguments happen too much here!
I was probably the one who started all of this mess 
I have seen what I’d refer to as rodelization. I’m not a science guy, and I forget what I’ve read easily. One thing that I know for certain is if you have accidental pollination and only get one seed out of a whole plant that is damn lucky. One single grain of pollen just appeared out of nowhere and knocked up a single bud, at the right time to form a viable seed. Laughable!
I’ve had plants that always formed a seed or two without any type of pollen anywhere. Before I joined up here I consistently culled males… I’ve grown many of these single “bagseeds” with great results.
I don’t understand the argument here, and don’t feel like personal attacks will answer any questions 
just my 2cents