Oranje's Adventures in Vegging

That is not politically correct, you should acknowledge everyone is special in there own way and should be accepted. Ha! Ha! :grin:

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I hope I am incorrect, but I am another who has been watching. These symptoms and what I have been seeing screams Broadmites to me. Iā€™ve been growing damn near 40 years and these somebitches were the very worst to diagnose because I had never heard of them.

They are very similar to the spider mite only way way smaller and not even seen really with a 30X power loupe. I ended up investing in a microscope soon after I knew what I had but found them with a 60X soon after a friend discovered them who I had gotten cuts from months previous.

Here is a link to a story on them I just Googled, so I am not sure how good this one is so proceed with caution.

If you do indeed find you have these guys, hit me up and I will give you the way to eradicate them.

I lost 38 strains about 6 years ago to these bastards, but the war is won once you know you have them.

I hope I am wrong but my gut tells me otherwise.

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I was actually going to put an addendum, but I suddenly remembered that I have a job and had to run. ahem, ā€œThen again, this is a vigorous, healthy plant. If itā€™s a male, might be time to try making my own seeds.ā€

Whorled phyllotaxy aside, the stem girth is absurd on this plant. Iā€™ll get a pic this weekend, but the stem on a 6-inch plant is thicker than the 2-foot sativa in the back.

Iā€™ve heard of them, and have even read the page you referenced :grin: I read a lot of GrowWeedEasy before I discovered that OG had returned. Anyway, right now ā€“ knock on wood ā€“ all is going pretty damn well. Iā€™ve got some minor deficiencies on a couple of plants, a rapidly-dwindling fungus gnat population, some plants that hold water too well, a couple where the peat seems to have gone perma-dryā€¦

But these are workable imperfections, and Iā€™m trying to address them by listening to my plants instead of working on a schedule. Organic is hard.

Anyway, new growth is vigorous, and almost universally healthy. As said above, the Chemdawg x Sunshine Daydream ā€“ I think ā€“ is dealing with some magnesium deficiency:

Lightening between the veins, almost exclusively on old fan leaves. Iā€™d also guess that itā€™s approaching potbound, which doesnā€™t help.

Back to to broadmites: the leaf damage seemed to follow an extremely specific pattern, both in symptoms and in emergence. The bleaching on new growth, for example, was always triggered by watering, particularly when feeding. Itā€™s almost as though the plant would have a growth spurt and forget to color in what it grew.

Upon moving to the new tent, those symptoms disappeared in a few days.

So, I think (and reallyreally hope) that I donā€™t have mites because they would have come along for the ride to the new tent, and Iā€™d probably be panicking. Iā€™ll give them a good once-over to check for insect-looking leaf damage, but the majority of the leaves on all plants look healthy at this moment. Thanks for popping by, and if Iā€™m wrong and flipping out in a few weeks, Iā€™m taking you up for that eradication advice :grin:

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Quick update before the clone wars (and topping wars, and training wars, and purging the ones I donā€™t much care for wars). Might have to turn the flower tent back into a flower tent for halloweenā€¦ Iā€™ve never been good with costumes.

Fungus gnats are well under control, thank you potent combination of neem meal, mosquito bits, diatomaceous earth, and @ReikoXā€™s malted barley suggestion. I couldnā€™t find any in the tent today.

Chemdawg x Sunshine Daydream (tall one in the center) really needs repotting, hopefully tomorrow. Itā€™s starting to show some other deficiencies beyond Mg, which would probably be best addressed with plentiful space and good soil.

Nirvana Mystery Sativa Male in the back will soon be turned to compost. I like it, itā€™s a cute lanky sativa, but if Iā€™m not going to use it for breedingā€¦ Might do the same with Space Candy #1. Sheā€™s a good girl, but the high is not my cup of tea. Her more difficult sister, Lumpy Space Princess, will advance to the next round.


All three Blueberries are girls, oh no :smile: Theyā€™re built like tanks, throwing out those nice fat indica leaves from stems too thick for plants that short.


The big Apollo 11 is so, so bushy. Love it. Also needs repotting, but sheā€™s almost as wide as she is tall with no trimming or training. Iā€™ll probably have to stake her up to flower, such are the sacrifices we make for our loved ones.

ā€¦ and that angle. Will she stack? She will stack.

Of the seedlings moved in, Iā€™m at 5/7 confirmed females, 1 confirmed male, and the smaller Apollo 11 is taking its timeā€¦ I have a feeling itā€™ll be a male, but that one Iā€™d be inclined to keep :slight_smile:

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I love your english, i get all the nuancies and ā€œmind gamesā€ without losing anything in the translation. Teach me lol
Happy to see that almost everything is back on the track; sorry to say that reading your worries was passionnating too.

big up

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Why thank you, I really like your thread, too. The plants look better, any DIY pics immediately get my attention, and the thread title made me laugh :laughing:

This thread is mostly my vent so my poor ladyfriend doesnā€™t have to listen to my grow-related ramblings. She likes looking at the plants (when theyā€™re healthy), and sheā€™s pretty okay with the end result. To anyone who enjoys my ramblings, I give you a nod of affirmation.

I seem to have smoked something and melted portions of my brain, so Iā€™ll try to be concise with this update and fail miserably.

The last remaining seedling of the summer has had a coming-out party and Apollo 11 #2 isā€¦ a girl. phweee. Anyway, after a string of shit luck (4 dead seedlings and 2 males), I now have 6 healthy females from 7 seeds. The only male was Nirvana Mystery Sativa that proved my homebrew seedlings starter was capable of supporting life ā€“ it served its purpose, and will soon be sacrificed to the worms to appease Weed Gods so they continue to smile upon me.

On the other hand, I now have more females than I have space, so I really need to get my veg tent back into working order. Itā€™s going to be so hard to pick a guinea pig from a collection of healthy plants, but if Iā€™m going to cull one of the Space Candy girlsā€¦

I guess I have a bit more hope for the veg tent now, as itā€™s no longer the peak of summer. Ambient temperatures are down by 10Āŗf, and relative humidity is up by about 25%. I do not trust the LED fixture anymore (but I got my $60 worth of entertainment), but improvements are comingā€¦ oh yes.

Anyway. Itā€™s nice to have plants that drink like sailors, and grow like things that grow a lot. In August, Iā€™d give these plants 250mL of water, once a week, and half of that would run through. In the past 3 days, the Chemdawg x Sunshine Daydream has taken 1.5 liters, no run-off. Yes, she needs to be repotted :grin: tomorrowā€¦

Hereā€™s my poor little Wreckage, comparing her in August to earlier this evening:

Sheā€™s actually healthier than she looksā€¦ the leaves are rather shiny :grin: Also, did you know that happy marijuana plants lay lemons?

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that must be where the limonene terps come from then hahaha XD

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lol wow it was sure beat up, did you place extra dead leaves on it for the picture ?! quite an amazing recovery !

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Call her Lazarus, you desserve it ^^

Iā€™m still compiling in my resinous brain all the (exhaustive) datas and pics of your equation. And I will keep my mouth closed until iā€™m sure that something pop in my face. The only one thing that is lacking is shots of root mass, you barely covered any other possible traits to decypher imho.

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Just by looking at how you were able to turn that plant back around and all the healthy growth, kind of suggests that the weed gods are smiling on you. Without looking for the answer further up in the thread, Whatā€™s the beef with your LED? Too many plantsā€¦oh no, thatā€™s an awful position to be in. Specially since theyā€™re all healthy again.

Rather than cull it, can you move one outside in the surrounding area and let it finish out guerrilla style? Maybe pollinate her and throw out? Man I donā€™t know, but looking great.

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Yeah, first world weed problems, I know. I feel bad killing off viable plants, especially ones in good health, but allow me to explain my current growing philosophyā€¦

I have 3-ish strain categories Iā€™m looking to fill:

  • The Creativity and Focus strain. Probably sativa-dominant. Would be good if it puts a smile on my face, extra points if it doesnā€™t keep me up at night.
  • The Knock-Out. Probably pure indica. Sleepytime pain relief, anti-inflammatory a plus.
  • Difficulty: Expert. Psychedelic brain-scramble. Can involve some mellow but no lethargy.

The little Wreckage shown above (who is named Octavia, not Lazarus, sorry @Fuel :grin:) is the current winner for ā€œDifficulty: Expert.ā€ Easy and forgiving to grow, tasty to smoke, and makes the world weird enough to keep me amused. Great way to end the day.

ā€¦ bringing it back to The Cull, Iā€™ll probably keep the Lumpy Space Princess pheno of Space Candy around for a bit, though sheā€™s got a shorter high than Wreckage and Sahara-level cotton mouth. Other Space Candy pheno is easier to grow and looks like damn fine bud, but the high is content-free chatty smiles. Itā€™s dinner party weed. Might be more appealing to the occasional smoker :slight_smile: Anyway, that one will probably get the axe, but if thereā€™s room in the corner of my flower tentā€¦

Anyway, hereā€™s the state of the plants:


Repotted the larger Apollo 11 (center) into a 5-gallon bucket, still bushy as a beast.

The Chemdawg x Sunshine Daydream (back-center) is now in an 8-gallon pot. In addition to being rootbound, I overestimated the nutrient content of its soil. Should recover just fine with 8x the space and some light soil amendments, but not looking so hot now :laughing: Iā€™ll spend a few weeks making it wider instead of taller, and then onto 12/12 she goes.

Happy Mutant Blueberry will be repotted tomorrow (maybe 3 gallon, maybe 5 gallon). Her sisters are the giant-leafed monsters in the group shot, which will be subjected to longer-term training before flowering. Despite having 50% more branches, sheā€™s the beanpole of the three.

End of the clone wars. Like I said, Iā€™m searching for a certain something to keep in my collection, so I donā€™t flower anything unless Iā€™ve got a clone in veg. In a week, Iā€™ll take the cap off of their happy little domes, and a week after that, off comes the dome ā€“ if they stand up, theyā€™re good to go. Otherwise, back under the dome and try again next week.

Hopefully my next update will be showing the new-and-somewhat-improved veg tent!

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Like your timecube post, check this out. Good for creativity, focus not so much.

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wtf! I fell like I was tripping back in the nineties again!! all that was missing was the dial up internet tone before seeing that website. :notes:

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Are you seeing that dank-ass basil?

Next round of flowering is going to be interesting. Iā€™m still training/pruning the Chemdawg x Sunshine Daydream (back center), but the transplant from 1 gallon to 8 gallon has led to a growth spurt I can barely keep up with :grin: Oops. The big Apollo 11 (dead center) has had its lower branches pruned, but itā€™s getting wider rather than taller, so not sure how Iā€™d train thatā€¦ but I have a sneaking suspicion sheā€™ll need some stakes.

Happy Mutant Blueberry doesnā€™t get a closeup today because it looks awkward after training. Iā€™ll probably give her another week to get acclimated to her new pot, and then the 12/12 fun begins.

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Thing isā€¦ they all look so happy. There are some nice green hues in there. When those ladies all start showing autumn leaves, youā€™re in for a treat. Cheers

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And so we conclude this tale of the Little Flower Tent That Vegged, and our life-long friends have a tearful goodbye. Hereā€™s the parting shot of the four going to flower ā€“ Chemdawg x Sunshine Daydream, Happy Mutant Blueberry, and a pair of Apollo 11.

They went nuts. Everything did. In the past 10 days, we changed seasons in this neck of the woods, and even though the tent is now on the chilly side (72Āŗf day, 64Āŗf night), that came with a humidity bump which put everything in a sweet spot. Vigorous, healthy growth. I swear that the ChemDxSSDD repaired its pre-repotting leaf damageā€¦ Anyway, Iā€™m in good shape for flowering those girls ā€“ hope Weed Gods keep smiling upon me :grin:

The whorled phyllotaxy Blueberry no longer suffers from post-training awkwardness, but she did turn out exactly as Iā€™d hoped:

ā€¦ and last but not least, the original veg tent is back (in pog form). After my summer of awful vegging, I decided it was time to ditch my improvised cheap LED + T5 setup, and I decided to give @Baudelaireā€™s SolStrips a whirl. In the end, he hooked me up with a complete, pre-assembled kit ā€“ 6 strips in all, 5k temperature, and dimmable power supply.

My initial impression was ā€œOH MY GOD Iā€™M BLIND WHY DID I PLUG THEM IN WHEN THEYā€™RE FACING UP.ā€ Things were much better after I hung them up and turned down the current a bitā€¦ itā€™s shocking how cool they run, considering how much light they put out. Every so often, the future ends up being pretty neat.

Ahem.

As always, the thousand-word picture:


Iā€™ve got a veg tent of growing, happy plants :grin: Itā€™s only been a week, so I donā€™t have a sense of stuff like internodal distance under 5k, but the girls look happy, and Iā€™m happy, too.

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Wow! @oranje is killing it in here!
Very happy and well managed plants. Very impressive.

Stay hazed
Jake

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Nice even canopy with all the different strains. I always have pots on top of pots to try to even things up. Iā€™m excited to see where this goes from hereā€¦ Starting a new thread for flowering?

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Yep, hopefully will start to move more towards perpetual flower ā€“ thatā€™s the goal, so Iā€™ll start my forever-in-flower thread soon. Iā€™m still getting the hang of growing without liquid nutrients (yā€™know, except for teas and other homemade concoctions), but hopefully theyā€™ll stay healthy well into flower. Donā€™t curse me with compliments, @Blowingupjake :grin:

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LOL - I need to add warning labels. I keep a pair of UV blocking safety glasses around at all times working with these lights.

The plants look great. The 5000K spectrum is perfect for vegging, the spectrum and lumen output keeps things squat and bushy. A few other growers have mentioned how it seems to even out the canopy even among different strains. How hard are you running them?

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