Pro Health Or Pro Vacination Whats The Difference?

I did notice that the argument of vaccine injury got equated to autism. Autism isn’t the only possible injury that can be caused by a vaccine. This stuff is kept out of the public eye by the richest people in America, the drug companies.

Like I said, follow the money. Those evil lobbyist that we hear about sometimes, ever wonder who they work for? How can a politician that makes 250,000 a year afford multiple multi million dollar estates? Maybe we can start to see a picture of how the laws are written to keep the gross negligence of drug companies off the front page.

I would still love to see the study that shows that mercury is good for humans. Could you please post a link to that?

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Most congressmen were already wealthy before they hit congress. I make 30K/yr and I can afford a 120K house, does that make me in someone’s pocket?

Mercury is bad for humans. It’s not an element we need. However, at certain minute levels, it is harmless. Like any element. In the levels it was used as a preservative, the amount was infinitesimal. Nowhere near unsafe levels of mercury. But they removed it from vaccines in 2001 in the US mostly to appease the antivax crowd, even though it is very effective. Developed in the 30’s as a preservative, used in many things besides vaccinations. Do kids that receive antivenin for snakebites get autism or non-specific “disorders”?

Besides allergic reactions, what are we talking about? Millions of lives saved, a few thousand have adverse reactions. IDK know how this is a debate.

Probably because vaccine manufacturers were tired of going to court every time someone’s kid had problems later in life the parents tried to blame the vaccines. OP was saying vaccines made him fat, people literally blame anything non-infectious on vaccines that shit clogging up the court system assuredly got old quick.

Good point. Politicians are all fine upstanding people that do what they do for the good of their loyal subjects that help them push their agendas. Great group of people.

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I cant speak for 7pldcaw and I am sure you cant either. I am sorry I assumed you knew what you were talking about, I dont think 7pldcaw would agree with you if he knows, what he is talking about.

I thought you were both aware of the Hannah Poling case. From September 2010.

In acknowledging Hannah’s injuries, the government said vaccines aggravated an unknown mitochondrial disorder Hannah had which didn’t “cause” her autism, but “resulted” in it. It’s unknown how many other children have similar undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder. All other autism “test cases” have been defeated at trial. Approximately 4,800 are awaiting disposition in federal vaccine court.

As I said its legal speak, as there was not enough evidence either way for the judge to make a decision due to lack of vaccine testing data.

Not that I want to go of topic, but you are again incorrect. It is completely possible when you start delving into how the Adipose organ functions.

There is no correlation between food intake or activity levels and obesity onset or perseveration

The fact that the body can increase in mass when ostensibly too little energy is being introduced into the body (through dieting) and has to do with the balance between catabolism and metabolic suppression.

Catabolism is the destruction of cells throughout your body and this process releases energy into the system when not enough energy is being taken in from the outside environment. You know this as dieting to lose weight . But the body uses two processes to survive in the absence of adequate energy: catabolism and metabolic suppression.

You can therefore gain weight during calorie restriction.

You may not know that fat is not a tissue but our largest endocrine organ, and for those with adipose endocrine organs able to enlarge to produce higher levels of metabolic hormones capable of modulating the impacts of unrelenting stress responses, in the face of environmental pressures.

These environmental issues can be caused by drug induced inflammation.

Furthermore, various environmental pressures additionally impact how efficient the metabolism will be as well as whether the hormone-producing organ, Addipose, will need to enlarge beyond its inherited set point for health-protective reasons. All with no accompanying excess intake of energy.

So to break that information down for you into basics, my body increased its fat content, in response to inflammation in my brain, which left lesions (scars) after I was vaxed, and whilst on a low calorie diet.

I f you wish to fact check this information I suggest reading these books. Any of these will confirm it for you. I used to be a Psychoanalyst and Hypnotherapist and later on working in the field of Neurophysiologial Developmental Delay, before emigrating to Canada. As I said I have a personal interest in these things.

Manninen, A. H. (2004). Is a calorie really a calorie? Metabolic advantage of low-carbohydrate diets. *Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition

Feinman, R. D., & Fine, E. J. (2004). A calorie is a calorie"

Redman, L. M., Heilbronn, L. K., Martin, C. K., De Jonge, L., Williamson, D. A., Delany, J. P., … & Pennington CALERIE Team. (2009). Metabolic and behavioral compensations in response to caloric restriction: implications for the maintenance of weight loss.

Pietiläinen, K. H., Saarni, S. E., Kaprio, J., & Rissanen, A. (2012). Does dieting make you fat? A twin study. *International Journal of Obesity.

Field, A. E., Austin, S. B., Taylor, C. B., Malspeis, S., Rosner, B., Rockett, H. R., … & Colditz, G. A. (2003). Relation between dieting and weight change among preadolescents and adolescents. *Pediatrics

Wardle, J. (1987). Compulsive eating and dietary restraint. *British Journal of Clinical Psychology

Wardle, J., Chida, Y., Gibson, E. L., Whitaker, K. L., & Steptoe, A. (2011). Stress and Adiposity: A Meta‐Analysis of Longitudinal Studies. Obesity,

Wyse, C. A., Selman, C., Page, M. M., Coogan, A. N., & Hazlerigg, D. G. (2011). Circadian desynchrony and metabolic dysfunction; did light pollution make us fat?. *Medical hypotheses

Van Drongelen, A., Boot, C. R., Merkus, S. L., Smid, T., & Van Der Beek, A. J. (2011). The effects of shift work on body weight change—a systematic review of longitudinal studies. *Scandinavian journal of work, environment & health

Nedeltcheva, A. V., Kilkus, J. M., Imperial, J., Schoeller, D. A., & Penev, P. D. (2010). Insufficient sleep undermines dietary efforts to reduce adiposity. Annals of internal medicine.

Patel, S. R., & Hu, F. B. (2008). Short sleep duration and weight gain: a systematic review. Obesity.

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“There is no correlation between food intake or activity levels and obesity onset and preservation”

That might be the single most foolish thing I’ve ever heard anyone say.

The delusions people come up with…

Just the response I was expecting. I see it all the time in discussions like this, nothing to back your statement up, just trying to avoid saying your wrong, and divert the discussion with personal ridicule, moving the attention away from your lack of knowledge, or laziness to check out data, by saying I am delusional.

I guess all those authors of those books, who have degrees and PHD,s are delusional as well.

You can probably get them from the library, might help you lose weight :slight_smile:

I am saddened once again, you will never get out of your little well, ribbet ribbet.

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So you found a couple sources that support your delusions that obesity has nothing to do with the way people eat and exercise. I can find a source that says HIV doesn’t cause AIDS, doesn’t mean it’s true.

A fat person has actually found a way to blame someone other than themselves. It’s sorta sad in a funny way.

So you’re telling me if a fat person stops eating entirely, they’ll possibly continue to gain weight.

Lotta fat people during times of famine. Since food has nothing to do with obesity. So many pictures of fat soldiers in Andersonville. Pictures of fat African kids in Sudan. So many pictures of fat Jews in the Holocaust.

Do you even hear yourself?

Just go look at the Wikipedia article for obesity. Every single statement has a footnote from a reputable source to back it up.

'little well ribbet ribbet" Do you always talk like a child? I’m a healthy adult man who lost weight with diet and exercise. You should try it.

Yeah. They’ll get bloated at first. I do admire your consistant point of view. Your mind is not easily changed. I respect you for that at least. Body weight is 80% water. Although ive never dehydrated a whole human body before.

Are you confusing protein deficiency disease (kwashiorkor) with obesity? Little starving kids with protruding bellies? I assure you they aren’t the same thing.

What does water have to do with anything? Is English a 2nd language for you?

If you stop eating you will lose weight. By the “logic” I’m hearing here, no one even needs to eat in the first place, since food has no impact on body weight, it doesn’t matter if you eat 5000 calories a day or 5.

Is bariatric surgery is a scam, since the morbidly obese aren’t making themselves fat?

Case study: Angus Barbieri. Fat guy. Stopped eating for a year, only eating salts and vitamins/minerals. Went from 450+ lbs to 180. Probably faked, right?

These silly ass topics created by people just to argue their point about controversial subjects are boring, immature, and totally unnecessary. Its a total turnoff to this forum for me. Im getting tired of having to mute topics and people on the daily.

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I’m gonna have to bow out of this one now that the argument has turned to food and lack of exercise can’t make you fat. Probably should be shark tank material in the first place.

No I found about 30 people and doctors contributing to 11 sources, not a couple.

Firstly I see a disturbing pattern of behaviour here, ridicule the person in the hope it will reflect on the information they are providing, ever heard of, Dont Shoot The Messenger. This seems the only way you deal with facts you cant change.

Water concentration in the body will fluctuate depending on the amount of sodium and potassium in it, for every gram of salts you will retain 6 grams of water.

From the Merk Drug Website, another source, and one of the gods you possible worship.

https://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/endocrine-and-metabolic-disorders/fluid-metabolism/water-and-sodium-balance.

Please Notice the tags Endocrine and metabolic disorders. As in my above post The Adipose organ (or fat in the body) is the largest Endocrine influence in our bodies.

Water and sodium balance are closely interdependent. Total body water (TBW) is about 60% of body weight in men (ranging from about 50% in obese people to 70% in lean people) and about 50% in women. Almost two thirds of TBW is in the intracellular compartment (intracellular fluid, or ICF); the other one third is extracellular (extracellular fluid, or ECF). Normally, about 25% of the ECF is in the intravascular compartment; the other 75% is interstitial fluid.

So water does have a great effect on our weight. 1 litre is equal to 1 kilo in its weight.

Moving back onto topic.

I see no comment on the Hannah Poling case. From September 2010. That you said could not exist?

I know your time is important so I dont expect a reply you can save your embarrassment.

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You make it sound like its expected that the Drug companies are going to lie and cheat, with everything they sell us, and that its OK. One more reason to distrust there information. I agree with you about this :slight_smile:

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Possibly not but then again they dont get bitten bye a snake 24 times in an 18 month period that is the same as just the DTaP and Haemophilus B vaccine schedule,. These statements are not scientific or helpful.

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To answer your statement that infinitesimal small amounts of something are not dangerous and nothing is from Youtube.

Just because something is very tiny does not mean it will not ruin your day or life.

For example there are a total of eight known varieties of botulinum toxin, one of which is the deadliest known substance in the world. These eight types of botulinum are classified as A-H types. The type H toxin is believed to be as much as 40 million times stronger than hydrogen cyanide and can kill an average human with a dose of 80 nanograms or 2-billionths of a gram. Its estimated LD50 value (human median lethal dose) is about 1.3–2.1 ng/kg when directly injected, while 10–13 ng/kg when inhaled or injested . Non-lethal quantities of botulinum toxin can temporarily paralyze mice for a month Take note of the difference between injected and eaten, as the same applies to Methyl Mercury or its product name Thimersoral and also Aluminum Salts used in vaccine adjuvant.

Not all types of mercury are equal. Wikipedia says Mercury poisoning can result from exposure to water-soluble forms of mercury (such as mercuric chloride or methylmercury), by inhalation of mercury vapor, or by ingesting any form of mercury. Methyl Mercury is the worst type of mercury.

Methyl mercury was branded bye the drug companies as Thimerosal, 1, to be able to patent it and 2, possibly to avoid people who know that mercury is a bad thing, to put in our bodies, asking awkward questions about safety, when the drug companies have so little data on how it affects a person, in an intravenous injection of vaccine .

Has the federal government made recommendations to protect human health?

The EPA has set a limit of 2 parts of mercury per billion parts of drinking water (2 ppb) ingested as Methyl Mercury, and is accumulative in the brain.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has set a maximum permissible level of 1 part of methyl mercury in a million parts of ingested seafood (1 ppm).

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set limits of 0.1 milligram of organic mercury per cubic meter of workplace air (0.1 mg/m3) and 0.05 mg/m3 of metallic mercury vapor for 8-hour shifts and 40-hour work weeks.

How does mercury affect children?

Vaccinations, birth to 18 years of age, now required in 2020. 75 separate vaccine vials are used plus any given to a pregnant mother. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html

Very young children are more sensitive to mercury than adults due to their weight and speed of development. Mercury in the mother’s body passes to the fetus and may accumulate there. It can also can pass to a nursing infant through breast milk. However, the benefits of breast feeding may be greater than the possible adverse effects of mercury in breast milk, when ingested.

Mercury’s harmful effects that may be passed from the mother to the fetus include, brain damage, mental retardation, coordination, blindness, seizures, and inability to speak. Children poisoned by mercury may develop problems of their nervous and digestive systems, and kidney damage. These are the serious ones there are many lower down the scale.

Safe levels shown below, depend on size of the person, this information is only for ingestion , not intravenous injection, which are even more harmful, as it by passes the gut blood barrier and combined with the surfactants passes easily through the blood brain barrier into the brain, instead of being partly excreted in a stool when ingested.

EPA safe levels of Methyl Mercury.

An average woman weighing 60 kilograms can ingest 60 x 0.1 = 6 micrograms of mercury per day without exceeding the EPA reference dose.

If each gram of fish contains 0.2 micrograms of mercury, our average woman could only eat 6/0.2 = 30 grams of fish per day without exceeding the reference dose.

At birth, the average baby of European descent weighs about 7.5 pounds (what’s considered normal or average may vary slightly depending on baby’s race/ethnicity), and 8 out of 10 babies born at full term weight, between 5 lb, 11.5 oz and 8 lb., 5.75 oz.

So let’s round that up from 7.5 to 8 lb as an average US baby, which the EPA says would be a maximum ingestion of 0.4mcg of Methyl Mercury a day for safety.

Adult Thimerosal-containing vaccines contain roughly 25mcg. These Thimerosal-containing versions exceed federal safety guidelines mentioned earlier by 24 times.

Depending on the vaccines administered, at six months of age, infants today born to mothers who received flu vaccine during pregnancy could still receive up to 71 mcg of methyl mercury compared to 187.5 mcg, prior to efforts to decrease the amount of thimerosal in infant vaccines.

Additionally, the CDC guidelines recommend that all children receive an annual influenza vaccine beginning at 6 months of age. As a result, the total amount of thimerosal given to children under 5 years of age is almost what it was prior to 2000, when it was removed, as they keep increasing the amount of vaccines needed.

There are other sources of mercury exposure in infants to consider as well. Specifically, it should be recognized that influenza vaccine recommended for pregnant women and some rhogam preparations, contain methyl mercury in the form of thimerosal. Total mercury burden include other sources, including dental amalgams (silver fillings), food especially some types of fish, and air pollution from coal-fired power plants and wildfires. So this is on top of any vaccines given.

Your statement Mr Vernal says that tin foil whining anti vaxers had it removed, but it was the pediatric doctors who recommended it.

Concerns regarding mercury in vaccines were addressed in a letter published by the Journal of Pediatrics on March 13, 2008 *(update 3/17/2016: letter is no longer available online) As noted in the letter, parents and pregnant women may want to consider the following data and make an informed decision as best they can.

0.5 parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells (Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).

2 ppb mercury = U.S. EPA limit for drinking water .

20 ppb mercury = Neurite membrane structure destroyed (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001; 12: 733-37).

200 ppb mercury = level in liquid the EPA classifies as hazardous waste .

25,000 ppb mercury = Concentration of mercury in the Hepatitis B vaccine, administered at birth in the U.S., from 1990-2001.

50,000 ppb Mercury = Concentration of mercury in multi-dose DTaP and Haemophilus B vaccine vials, administered 4 times each in the 1990’s to children at 2, 4, 6, 12 and 18 months of age. = 20 X 50,000 ppb over 18 months or 1,000,000 ppm injected = 5,000 times the level of toxic waste, and 500,000 times the limit for safe drinking water set by the EPA.

50,000 ppb Mercury = Current “preservative” level mercury in multi-dose flu (94% of supply), meningococcal and tetanus (7 and older) vaccines. This can be confirmed by simply analyzing the multi- dose vials.

Manufacturers began voluntarily removing Thimerosal from pediatric vaccines around 2000. It is assumed that most pediatric vaccines containing Thimerosal were “off the shelves” by 2003. (No vaccines were recalled.) Even so, most infants are still routinely given Thimerosal-containing vaccines with 12.5 mcg of ethyl mercury at 6 months and at 7 months with an additional 12.5 mcg.

25 mcg = more than 50 times over the safe limit for ingestion, not injection which is worse.

Thimerosal-free vaccines may contain trace amounts (<0.3 mcg) of mercury left after postproduction thimerosal removal . This is just under the EPA safe levels for a 8lb baby but in combination vaccines will be over by how many different vials are used in combination.

Thimerosal has been replaced with aluminum salts. In some U.S. licensed vaccines, are aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, alum (potassium aluminum sulfate), or mixed aluminum salts.

Children’s vaccines can still have Thimerosal, in Thimerosal Free and Aluminum salts vaccinations when multi dosed at one time.

Currently no tests have been carried out, as to how these two metals react together in our bodies and brains where they end up.

The CDC says this about Aluminum.

Aluminum is the third most abundant element after oxygen and silicon, and it is the most abundant metal, making up almost 9 percent of the earth’s crust. Aluminum is found in plants, soil, water and air. Most plants have low quantities of aluminum, but a few are known to be aluminum accumulators, including some types of tea plants, grasses and orchids.

Aluminum is used extensively in various ways:

  • Aluminum can be found in food-related products including pots and pans; storage containers, such as beverage cans; and foil.
  • Aluminum is found in numerous foods and beverages including fruits and vegetables, beer and wine, seasonings, flour, cereals, nuts, dairy products, baby formulas, and honey. Typically, adults ingest 7 to 9 milligrams of aluminum per day.
  • Aluminum is used for manufacturing of airplanes, siding, roofing materials, paints, pigments, fuels and cigarette filters.
  • Aluminum is found in health products including antacids, buffered aspirin, antiperspirants.

Sounds like its everywhere, so it must be safe with all these things it is found in?

Unfortunately it doesn’t enter the body through our nose and mouth, and pass through the stomach and go down the toilet mostly.

What the CDC are failing to advise you, (clever marketing ploy) and hoping you don’t notice either, is that it will be injected into your body and blood stream, by passing the gut blood barrier, and as with Methyl Mercury, in combination with surfactants, will pass through the blood brain barrier very easily where it will stay in your brain.

There have been no studies done ,ever, regarding how aluminum salts and methyl mercury react together in our bodies or brains.

The Anti Vax or Pro Health proponents would love to give our children as well as ourselves protection from nasty diseases, we want what is the best treatment for all of us.

The very limited data from small study groups, that are not treated the same as with other drugs, that have double blind studies, are not enough for us, or for a lot of the vaccine specialists doctors, at the 2019 WHO vaccine summit, either, from their comments on film.

Vaccines are old Tech there are better alternatives like Antibody treatments that are an on demand therapy, do not contain harmful heavy metals, as the immune system does not need suppressing. The only reason they are not being used by the pharmaceutical giants, as far as I can see, is that it would lose them billions in revenue, from an on demand therapy, as opposed to the current system.

There are smaller independent pharmaceutical companies who have been making very successful treatments with this technology, but are only filling the gaps the major companies are not covering, because some third world countries cant afford to pay their high over inflated drug prices, and are better off anyway.

To all reading this, I hope you find this information helpful in making as best an informed decision as possible. This information is from the CDC, EPA, FDA, Gov web sites, Wikipedia and The National Vaccine Information Center, If you wish to verify, and I suggest you do. Don’t allow yourself or others to be damaged from not knowing the facts.

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https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/thimerosal-and-vaccines#pres

“A vaccine containing 0.01% thimerosal as a preservative contains 50 micrograms of thimerosal per 0.5 mL dose or approximately 25 micrograms of mercury per 0.5 mL dose. For comparison, this is roughly the same amount of elemental mercury contained in a 3 ounce can of tuna fish”

“The view of most experts is that there is currently no convincing evidence that exposure to everyday levels of aluminium in any form increases the risks of Alzheimer’s disease, genetic damage or cancer.”

You still think that if a fat person stops eating entirely for a month they’ll gain weight?

You’re not injecting the tuna directly into your bloodstream. You really do have a reading comprehension problem don’t you

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“You really do have a reading comprehension problem don’t you”

You really do have a chemistry comprehension problem, don’t you?

Try reading the article again with that superior reading comprehension.