Reversed plant with another reversed plant

I’m sorry to hear that. I heard of a youtuber getting it and they said it’s from lack of sun and not the opposite i was wondering what you found yea like everything genetics shifts the probability.
But you dont throw people away, we have the luxury at least today to do that with plants. And be publicly honest to a lot of people quickly about it and easily online…a luxury some use to talk a lot without backing and hopefully some luck or just be honest n show ure best (grows)

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True, we don’t throw people away, but IMO not enough people cull “undesirable” plants either & that’s part of the reason we’re still here talking about herming, when quite frankly the “popular gene pool” should be mostly clear of it by now

But NOOOOOOOOO. Someone made Cookies popular & it got its herm-prone qualities all in the mix. Wasn’t the original Gorilla Glue also a herm nightmare? --but some a-hole said “but look how STICKY it is” and it, too, muddled the waters :man_shrugging:

Chemdog is a mostly mystery bagseed which was probably a ball popper

This, that & the other most popular things in the last 30-ish yrs are either directly herms, herm-prone or are centered around something with herm expression :man_shrugging::man_shrugging: but “lOoKiT tHeM tRiChOmEs” or “LoOkIt TheSe yIeLd #s” were more important than stability :man_shrugging:

You can have stable plants that are full of trichomes and easily hit 25%
The issue in the grow commune here and most forums is:
Plants have feelings.
I project my short comings on confused or lack luster genetics by saying they are special.
I think using additives like methyl jasmonate is poison and cheating.
Killing sensitive and hermie plants means you have priveledge or just mean.
Femming plants saves time and shortcuts breeding selection so thus this means youre skills, tools, and benefits makes me envious so ill say im so pure with my regs, and that fems are immoral gmo, create hermies etc
Myth, ego, jealousy over science, and results.

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Killing sensitive and hermie plants is privileged and mean?? LOL no offense but WTF are you talking about?

It’s called “quality control”, my guy :+1: and more people should actively do a better job at it

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Right of course i wasnt just listing silly things people believe in i was being literal cause thats what ive shown to do :roll_eyes:

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I use sts for reversals and here are my amateur observations:

  1. STS seems to work with fewer applications than colloidal silver. Ideally two applications 5-7 days apart will do the trick.

  2. Difficult reversals are usually heralded by having to go through more than two applications to suppress ethylene production.

  3. The flowers in these “difficult-reversals” often do not form properly into the loose “pod” structure one sees from a “true-male” The resulting staminate flowers in these “difficult-reversals” will often be clustered thickly, closely resembling a pistillate-cluster in structure, but with the classic “nanners” vs loose-pods or unreversed pistils/calyxs.

  4. Once the staminate flowers show in a reversal, the pollen doesn’t usually shed in the same volume as one sees in a “true-male” (unreversed staminate) plant. -much less. One may actually have to pluck and grind to get the pollen into a usable state for the difficult ones.

  5. And to me, without measuring the actual diameter of the pollen granules that are released naturally, they often appear to my naked eye to be larger in the more difficult reversals. (?) I wonder if they are malformed or misshaped due to their “forced-nature.” ?

  6. There are usually far fewer seeds on the difficult-reversals.

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any place to point me to read about using it i got a bottle off amazon i didnt use yet as i was scared to fuck it up, and not be able to afford an other for a while
so im still holding onto it till im confident i know what im gonna do

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It’s a popular interpreration of the phenomenom, giving a logical sense to herms, but not much real in fact ^^ How to say this simply … stawberry maybe. It was the generation of my grand pa but pollinating strawberries is a kind of basic duty to have the best smelling and tasting stuff on the market ^^

For a strawberry or any similar stuff, the setting of the pollination really add an insurance to be at least self pollinated. Strawberries are close to the ground, not specially builded to promote winds propagation … now take a canna-male

^^ we are not at all in the same configuration
The cannabis males and herms are built to pollinate everything around at one mile with just a breeze, with extra fine pollen that even feel like talcum powder when your hands are covered. They don’t even need insects.

This is only for the mechanical aspect of a plant that don’t radically changed since we get stoned with it. This is why i find this anthropomorphic parallel to think about a strategy a bit musky.

And again … 2020’s stoners are eating fems by kilogrammers but they don’t do the link with the sexual regulation of a population with natural herm pollen. Think about the M/F balance one minute and what it imply … more than “general cannabis” that trigger herms because the OTAN asked ^^

It’s because the marketing fisted fresh meat in making the hermaphroditism and its uses just taboo.

Now on the true leverages, it’s not decided on the go with some genetic resources falling from the sky. The presence of both floral expression in the same plant imply a shit ton of datas at a time. The hormonal “foundations” producing females flowers aren’t the same that for the males flowers (no shit …), so it’s really a double function with its own vital interlinked traits.

There is tons of question all the time on boards since a while about this, but i think that really what people care about fundamentally it’s the triggers and how to dial with it.

It’s not that complicated if you stay at the surface :

  • the sex is pre-determined at seed formation and can be screened early and before the sex expression with a MAC primer. Or even just in measuring the lengths of DNA, females are always shorter.
  • herms can’t be screened individually because they are genetically females. Simply. They pop in PCRs as females, exactly.
  • hermaphroditism activity in cannabis is just tightly linked with … the monoecious state of the line (no shit …). This state is not fixed in time and intensity, guess what it loop on sexual regulation. To get good drugs we just got familiar with these cycles without any science, empirically, to output dioecious lines that kick asses. I don’t talk about the 90’s again, but times when cars don’t existed ^^
  • Even the most herm line you can find today sold as “drug cultivar” is technically quite dioecious. Most of the time we make abuse of langage to be efficient and practical in our exchanges, but what is really made is biting or improving a thin layer of a block of granit. In front of the dna of one cannabis plant, your lifespan is just a grain of dust.

fuck again, a SD-fueled wall ^^

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Here’s a thread I started a few years ago about sts. I had questions. :slight_smile:

The video @Pigeonman links to in the thread from @Sebring is great. It’s really all you need for how-to make your own STS.

I think there are some links in there as well to ingredients available online.

As far as using it:

  1. Handle the chemical with care. Use PPE - gloves - eye-glasses + mask when spraying. Breathing in heavy metals is not a good thing. Wash your hands or any skin directly exposed to the spray when done.
  2. Cover the soil on the target plant before spraying to avoid contamination of the growing medium. A piece of cardboard with an “i” split for the stem works well and can be discarded after you spray.
  3. Keep the spray focused on the pre-flowering areas you want to reverse. Do this before “lights-out” and avoid returning a dripping target-plant to the grow-space in full-grow-light-power. Be careful not to get a wet-drippy sts-treated plant rubbing up against your girls. Let it dry before returning to the grow space if you can.
  4. Apply at least 2 x 5-7 days apart and in about 10-14 days you should see the staminate flowers forming.
  5. Store the leftover STS in an opaque-container in a refrigerated space and it should keep. I’ve used the same batch for 2-years with no loss in potency.
  6. Have a plan for disposal of the leftover STS if you don’t plan to keep it. Don’t simply pour it down the drain. It’s a heavy metal that can be toxic if ingested. Dispose of it as you would motor-oil or other chemicals/pesticides.
  7. Throw away the target-plant after he’s completed his work. Others may disagree, but in my opinion, do not ingest products of an STS (heavy-metal)treated plant. Your goal should be feminized seeds, not making concentrates or smoking IMO.
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