Fuel's grow log

Castellano, it’s ok for me ;o)

I’ve tryed to follow strictly the instructions of the products in a first move, during too many times and without results. And i’m pretty sure that i have breeded the gnats this way to be more resistant and hungry in my shoes box. My veg space is now totally clean, you will quickly see the difference with the jack herer wich is coming. It work, i swear and i will show it ^^

Now i perfectly understand your conditions and i will change nothing in your input, i’m following your thread.

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Hi Fuel

The adventure goes on !
I will follow your tricks :wink:

++

L’ancien

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Let’s update !

And let’s make some seeds again ^^ I will show the synchro of the jack herer, for the curious ones :

That’s the exact state i was waiting for, to launch his brother in 12/12. This compromise is in my range, this female is not specially a good mother and quickly lost too many vigor when dusted with too many flowers. Nothing to have with her sister that i’ve allready backup and that is barely a little factory of seeds lol

Just in case : i never partially pollenate my females, i never use any kind of intermediate to apply the pollen (brush, hands, anything) and i use only fresh pollen that come directly from the living male. That’s not the more easier way but i prefer to do it like that.

And this is the pollen box where the male will wait his sister :

Uggly but functionnal ^^ Inside, twos domestic CFL of 30W and a computer fan. The air is travelling on all the lenght of the cab’ in the superior level to finish in the clone space where the humidity is very high and not vented. It’s enough to neutralize the pollen and to harvest some sinse without worries.

I’ve removed one clone today that i’ve replaced with a fungus-less jack herer :

The transplant in “rool ball mode” was too much for her, it was useless to give her more time to recover. And i have to empty the veg space for the next selection by the way.

Let’s see one freak, the seeded sweet tooth ^^

She take so long each time ^^ Actually she restart to produce gently vegetal mass by apical meristems and the flowers start to open in showing the junction more and more. But they are not opened yet damn, seeds are not ready to see the light and to dry. Patience is a virtue.

Let’s see some buds :

They eat the minimal dose of Aptus Super PK (0.25ml/L) since a good week and the LSxGK start to become dank ^^

Let’s see the finest LSxGK :

And her sister that think she’s a northen light lol

The mirage is builded by his old function of motherplant and by the number of secondaries i’ve let. Kind of personnal tribute for her before she disapear for good, complicated to explain ^^

The leafy sweet tooth for a punchy morning coffee :

And the veg space that wait the death of the LSxGK to welcome a new strain in the genpool :

Mostly JH cuts and a couple of males. I have twos JH to backup pure and twos JH to hybridize with a sweet tooth male, i will cry to see an entire tube locked by seeded clones but … I need to speed up a bit the process.

The last JH mother is well, a bit pushed to prepare her to a “slow motion” phase. I keep her growing a bit in the case i’ve to fill unplanned gaps, then i will radically cut her to be the baby sitter of the next seedlings.

Somes others bud shots to finish with flowers !

see ya and smoke only what your soul is asking !

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Very good read! Congrats amigo!

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Hi fuel

Here are interesting essays.
I love the leafy sweet tooth :yum:

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Breaking news from the shoes box !

Not really lol , this week was pretty calm and can be resumed to watching the plants to grow.

The male is starting his first wave of flowers in his pollen box. Shame on me, i’ve forgot to give him PK and it will produce a gap of a week. Now that i’ve the H&G PK to recycle this way, double shame on me. As you can see, i bend the best apical meristems with them too.

His sister planned to produce the seeds, but she’s now a bit too advanced. Fortunately I have twos others clones in the space that are in different stage of flowering and an half dozen in veg ready to go. I can let the male dust his box a month without any stress.

I’m a bit obsessionnal on the synchro, i don’t want the male’s pollen of the first wave of release.

Overview, and an ode to the Aptus Super PK. I’m simply loving it as hell and after have used a lot and mastered these ones : Bionova PK, Atami Bcuzz PK, Canna PK, H&G PK. No need to mention the bad ones.

Actually i’m staying at 0.25 ml/liter (half dose) and i’m pretty impressed by the quality of this product. Respect-full for the plant and with the luxury of an organoleptic booster in bonus. Not sure that i will push full dose this round, i will wait that the tubes will be cleared from the LSxGK and full of Jack Herer to explore the 0.5/ml dose (full dose).

Even the early clones of my last bitchy JH mother love it. And it’s the first time that i see this specific female loving a PK so early in flowering stage ^^ And loving a PK bonus at all lol

After one big month of test of my uggly tubes on a 15 minutes cycle per day, i’ve switched to 5 minutes per twos days, three days ago. To test the “dry” limit and best known this new system. With the help of the “root ball stocking”, the weight of pots are very homogenous no matter the development of the plant. I’m pretty happy on it.

First photo is the LSxGk mutated female (immortal+), buds have leaved the ping pong balls shape and start to stretch a bit. Now, within twos weeks you will see why i’ve initially selected her. I auto-whip my asses to can’t pollenate her with a skywalker male.

Others photos is from his sister (quality¨+) at 6 weeks. Pistils start to fade but the trichomes still reflect the lights like the snow. I will launch a partial flush, on the most matured. I need to build individual pieces that maintain the pot over the Ebb&Flow water level for that, and i need guinea pigs. I want my full Jack Herer round near perfect ^^

This view is killing me ^^ It show the work that have to be done before the next selection. The goal is to reach the point where the JH mother is the only one in the space.

I hesitate to use the clone space to launch the seeds of the new selection, twos dozens with somes immatures. If they are vigorous, i will be in the shit to transplant them for the veg space within twos weeks. It’s freaking hard to resist, can’t wait to launch these seeds and to read theyr story a couple of generation. This is an US blend of nice bloods that i’m not used to work with, it will be very stimulating but rodeo in same time ^^ Can’t wait.

See you later and avoid any mids in your grinder !

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This week was a bit more productive that the previous. ~2 months in the tubes i enough to try a fews upgrades, and to clean the place too. I’ve make a portion in a type of “behind the things” just for the fun to show somes duties that we don’t often show on diaries ^^
pics ab

Lets begin with the st#3 seeded clone and somes pics about seed’s calibrations.


End of run for her, the leaf is the sign i’m waiting for to harvest the seeds. More is too dead ^^ I’ve pollinated her this summer but i can’t remember when lol

It’s how i sort them. Left -> trash, bottom -> Beta Grade, up -> Alpha grade.

Then i package the line in twos grades, i will always use first the alpha bag. That’s around 56 seeds total, in bags on i think 150 in counting the green tender ones. I expected 100 with more alphas but … next gen.

In details the grade’s difference and how :

Up the alphas : rounded and more homogenous, that show well where is the “pivot root” that wait to pop. The diameter is obviously bigger but not at the maximum of this blood in general.

Down the betas : a little irregular, but finished and greasy. Most of them will pop well fresh, i just prioritize also the calibration.

  • behind the things : seed harvest

This one is particulatly leafy but i’m trimming the same way the seeds buds and the sinse.


This temp and RH here (in the shoes box lol), H24 all the year.
Cold flue-cured is maybe the appropriate term i don’t known, but on drying sequences i’m inspired by tabacco process anyway ^^

I need a cone, lazzy to make a blunt.

I’m unable to smoke paper anymore, i use thin cellulose instead for fast cones. Yep the leaf if on the pic ^^, it’s a bit more thin than a more knowned aleda. I use “Trip”, a chinese brand,very nice cellulose that burn slowly well. Those of cell-O-fun AG, german brand, are nice too even if the packaging is cheap. Very nice thin cell-leaves too. Yup i don’t hate tabacco too ^^

Not bad idea to have harvested this clone a bit early lol, the lemon skunk side is clearer. Near cleaner. It remember me the citric jack in flowers that i hope of new eve in a big blunt.

Let’s show a little overview and a couple of flowers.

With an half dose of Super PK i’m pretty statisfied by the shape of flowers, the cristals and the taste i can say. It make her racy taste more pronounced. The taste is based on a mix diluted of citric kerosen and strong skunk scents, aftertaste, taste, … anything else old skunk full throttle lol I don’t known mix of authentic taste and bouncing “racy spice” in the mix. But the stone is too strange, even force-flushed. It will not give more horses to the cerebral chock of the JH and the body race of the ST#3 but fight more as a third party. To speak cuts that are known and with a time machine, i will choose an ECSD female to close the JH/ST. This light kerosen scent is frustrating when you known this cut. And the more you love it, the more you know than it’s a “Comtesse” of the bitches lol. Or maybe with a pre 2004 Rockbud too.

I disgress in thinking to my next cone ^^

The jack start gently to install her stretch :

Maybe the will finally be synchrone. The male finally have dryed his medium, i’ve give to him 1ml of HG PK today lol It will boost him a little.

But not yet pk forced it was his state (not yet ready) :

Little tribute to (LS x GK)

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The ST#3 take her time as always, even for the sinse. But it value the wait. Ninja style. To be continued in F7.

  • About flush, and yield’s track, and … let’s rock and roll a cone.

I’ve “force-flushed” a good week this specimen to provoke in a way the harvest :


With a homemade clip :

Sometimes you force a little the nature to get a sample ^^

To continued lol in the 2nd episode.

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Thanks for the great read. What you’re doing in such a small grow is humbling. I will never complain about my box ever again. If you ever get to grow trees, you will need a ax to cut them down.

Grow on. :puffpuffpass:

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Beautifully documented, I love the information you gave, it really added your personal touch. Can’t wait to see more!

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Thanks for your nice words guys ;o)

@stain : A “tree” of the past for you ^^ Not so big, 4liters, but 800wCFL/sqm. I aim for here 1KwCFL/sqm and twos “pipeline system” for the flo space. You will see soon the first step of the headache of the extraction’s system ^^

This time @Roux, i’ve take the time to show a fews basic things and tricks (shameless) that are not specially show on diaries, the duties ^^ And how i organize that. This time i was lazzy (2 months) by the test of the new system, but it happend usually each month : full wash. In using hydro tank, i have to reduce it to a dozen day max but if i do that i will do it less that once a month lol

It show the rythm too of a sog way, it’s basically a little bit of everything each week without true season like a traditionnal grow. Harvest, wash, transplant, germination, motherization … no sequences lol

I see, i have not sleeped so much lol But at the moment to go bed i see than that was a bit painfull to write a note about the fast drying ^^ I continue in a more cleanest way,

Need a coffee-blunt anyway ^^

  • Behind the things : The ignominious Fast Drying of the damned souls that don’t exist anymore. Don’t read it. Never. Go away. Run.

As usual, you never have readed this anywhere and you continue bury alive all online’s microwavers. With scorpions. Cover your ass bro, the secret can be discovered then the… circle! ^^

Mine is a process inspired from the tabacco industry that work well, decent when in urge and with freaking stable results on the scale. I’m luv it for that, too and base a lot of notes on it. The most complicated thing is to get a constant balance of twos rates : temps and RH.

1 ) Hot flue-cured

EU
min30°c-max36°c, RH30% (margin of max 10%)
airflow : pulsed 400m3/hr per sqm airflow
US/UK
min86F-max96.8F, RH30% (margin of max 10%)
airflow : pulsed 14 125 ft3/hr per sqm airflow

Don’t be shy, it’s fast drying that you don’t want to talk about ^^
A lot more easy to set in a paper box in a first time or something else like that with low volume to control. After it’s just a question of flow and height to place in the right spots.

  1. Cold flue-cured

EU
min20°c-max25°c, RH50%
airflow : pulsed 150m3/hr per sqm airflow
US/UK
min68F-max77F, RH50%
airflow : pulsed 83ft3/hr per sqm airflow

It help sometimes ^^ but not only, i use it to fast weight the whole yield equation of a clone too. It give fast solid averages on wich count. I will show it in detail next post.

  1. The essential point to do it ^^ : To put the buds to cure the fastest possible.

Use bigger jar that usual for a big volume of air exchange. If needed for dense core nugs, open the jar in the “hot” flue-cured space for like 5 minutes to 7 minutes then close and put back in the “cold” flue-cured space until next homogenous drying state.

I’ve not mentionned the well known trick of CFL’s users, that is the peak of the heretism and that you will never see in photo elsewhere lol Aluminium grinders only.

So this is the end of a thing that you’ve never saw and this message will autodestruct within 5 seconds, 4, 3 …
-> Fck microwavers

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Sometimes to ask the yield of something is also nasty. But we all want to known it seriously lol

This the uniform way i deal with, it give me a few solid averages with the accumulation of stats on a given generation. Comparisons too. It’s a fast preview too on the resilience of the scents and tastes in optimal conditions ("cold flux"only), and when the grinder is too hungry also lol

  • behind the things : lets weight a clone and have fun with stats

The raw weight, the big one :

I just cut the trunk at the basis then put it like roses lol This is for me one of the most important because it mean also “total vegetal mass this round”.
There raw weight : 54gr/1.9oz

Then i wet trim, not so hardcore with the best covered trims, to take the second weight.
There trimmed weight : 40gr/1.4oz

From this point you can determine a “productive mass” with theyr natural supports, by example.
In the exemple it’s 25% loss. You can compare to this way the cost of all range of trimming grades too : finely trimmed, gross, balanced, leafs free … or in another way to weight the wanted trims for the skuff ^^

So, after a “flue-cured tabacco style” i weight it dry. But only after recovered all its homogeneous drying state in a “fast curing”. The whole process take max 48hrs.

The “net weight” : 12gr/0.5oz, + 5/0.17 allready smoked between the twos pics ^^, so exactly 17gr/0.59oz lol.
That’s in my head a range of 70% from the raw to the net. Also a 42% in the drying process, etc …

To cross theses stats between themselves in an harvest and made the link to physicall differences with specimens is enough to breed a good yielder from the blood used. Who known the price ? Your lifespan ? Tricks ? A quantitative approach ? … ^^

In a way i can show how it can be extrapoled in a yield ratio, in its “beta” version. That’s 17gr, when grown in a 32 plants / sqm unit. So 17 x 32 = net 544gr/sqm or … 6.3oz/ft² (?) , with net 0.5Kw CFL/sqm ^^ lol

You can add a time factor too. This clone was pushed and flushed fast to get ready in 7 weeks lol Usually more in the 8-9 range for this blood. So that’s also 49 days. Or also net 544gr/sqm in 49days = net 11gr/day per sqm productivity.

etc … have fun ^^

next update i show the dish lol

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Hy everybody !

I will roll a “dry trimmed” clone that is “force cured” lol I have its track under the hand for the fun. Why the fuck i continue to track rejected specimens lol Ho yeah to kill them early in the next gen ^^


41.7gr / 1.4oz

13.1gr/1.4oz, “hot flue cured” 48 hours later.

So this time we have a pure loss rate from the untrimmed-wet-raw-yield (brut) to the untrimmed-dry-net-yield (net).
100% = 41.7, so 1% is 0.4
13.1 is 33%, the perfect third ^^

I generally use this data mostly to known the grade of the round concerned. If i have produced more water and juice that true vegetal mass in flowers, it’s a bad or an overwatered round.

It’s usefull too, to compare twos specimens or strain in term of pure flowers profile. Sometimes you have go just reduce the drying loss to boost well the yield of an hybrid, not specially to cross it with a fat vegetal mass producers that generally hit the potency most of the time. True secret here ^^

Forced to start the curing within 48hrs, in a way. 5 days later i can’t say that’s tasteless ^^ But i will not do that with delicates terpenoid’s profiles. This one is an old school skunk (not sugared) that stink the hell and taste very strongly the citric skunk with oily hash body (temple, charas). Maybe i was initially biased by the nostalgic appeal of this strong odor profile and ultra musky taste.

Let’s roll one to get motivation. With a bud porn to say her goodbye with respect.


Old school fast one ^^

Do you remember the Jack male that was not considered as ready, twos weeks ago ?

This is the mature state that i was waiting for to make the F9 lines. Comparing the photos can be disturbing with the ones of 2 weeks ago, can appear difficult to spot for the ones than are not used to deal with males. I have a simple trick to remember for you, if you want to test the difference :

Remember than the nodes contain the most auxin. And that these nodes are not only on the trunk but also everywhere else : in the fruit “skeleton” that we all smoke, but also on some stems more that on others. It’s why i generally try to select the twos best stems on vegged clones, over to choosing them too early.

When your male’s flowers are opened only on the “auxin’s sectors”, it’s not mature enough. When the flowers start to open more in depth in the buds, it’s time for your synchro. It’s a typical sog strategy than ask more attention to win maybe twos to three weeks on the planning.

Valuable alternative : Years go, a Catalan’s breeder have learned me something, more handy for classical space, to remember : the “crown” rule. The principle is to wait that the males is forming “crown” around its major tops and start to open them. This way you’re insured to use the best pollen no matter the strain, environment, timing … it add a bit more time on the whole planning of an hybrid but it’s stay a real secure rule for those interested.

Well i’ve put the first JH female on the twos planned. I generally bend the male’s stem around, i’ve high RH in this box.

I was affraid but the finally the timing was good with the first female


If i don’t hit 100 calibrated seeds with her, it’s voodoo.

Need to roll another one ^^ I’m lazy to prepare a couple of blunt so finally i don’t stop rolling by laziness. Stoner’s logic hey. But it insure me that it was the right choice to replace here. I’m at an average of 15 grammers net per specimen on 9 sog clones, one in left because dead. Let’s enter in another face of the selection.

That’s around 135gr/ 4.7oz without the sweet tooth, and i’ve started to smoke it 8 days ago. Only one clone left that is drying (a good 17gr one), and it’s what i have in the stash : around 6 gr/0.2oz.

So around 112gr/3.9oz per 8 days, 14gr/0.5oz a day, that’s way over my rates for a daily use. A “good daily weed” must fix me at the golden oz per week, no matter the cost. That’s a red alert of an increase of 270% over the golden oz lol Unable to share that but the smoke’s experience weighted very much in the balance. So “90’s skunk branded” as hell.

This female was fast, full of old skunky character and very pleasant to smoke but no horsepower when the tolerance is builded. Damn it’s maybe the 5th round, always the same game. But lord, with a potent F1 male you get a diamond.

As final female of the project it’s way to risky to count on the others side. Both have been selected for no ceiling and the hardiness for my body to build a tolerance with these lines, but it remain only 50% of the final blood.

I have more chance to lost at least 25% of the average horsepower with a guaranteed ceiling/roof. This LSxGK F2 is too young in generations to don’t represent a larger risk of unplanned linked traits by definition too. Let’s bet on the next horse ;o)

On the spaces it come back a little uggly again, but for a nice transition i hope ^^

I just chopped the big one, the last sister alive of the LSxGK F2 ^^


Now i known than it will last a day ^^

The ST#3 allready backup in seeds, that don’t look like a 60 days flowered plant but that smell and taste like 60 of them ^^ She can go up to 100+days, very long to make seeds as hell. But it value the trip genetically.

The twos JH in stock have been hitted by the change of system, they have started to develop a crazy root system in the tubes. Stigmas are allready hitted before theyr thickness period, both will finish in the stash.

In the veg, things go ahead. I have twos backup JH males that will replace the actual one, they need to pollenate twos clones and i’m safe ^^ I really love this line as hell, i aim a raw 200 seeds for at least 50 alphas grade.

The bended male on left is the sweet tooth male allready used to backup the st#3 line, he’s the foundation of the ST x JH than i aimed as male donor for a private stash 3way combo ^^ I will be enough happy with the F1 in a first time i guess, can’t wait.

And the stash JH on right, i’m supposed to clone her to fill a gap when i will relaunch the tubes but … i hold the process to reduce the plants number to minimum first, and with all needed females seeded. It’s a bit rushy here too in this period by my job, can’t handled a turn over in writing an update ^^ The other reason is a transition to a new space that must be prepared. It will be not very bigger but more handy and with the space for twos tubes systems (x24) with more height.

I’ve ton of photos on the tube’s upgrade and a shore that i want to show for the fun ^^, but i will keep it for a dedicated post later. I’m short in time, i’ve chilled enough allready on OG lol ^^

To be continued …

keep the vibes high and make a good pale brown skuff !

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Micro update, just to say than the shoes box was in fact really temporary. The lab is moving again ^^

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After months of madness with tons of work, moving everywhere … i was unable to relaunch the nightmare and to be active on OG. But now i can stay more at home and have fun. So the reboot is coming.

Nothing impressive, pollen tent/veg tent/bud tent combo but enough to have fun in good conditions. I’ve spended my day to empty and to clean the space (around 20 square meters), dispatching and mounting the stuff with my grand son. Great day ended with a fine polish vodka on ice (luv it ^^).

The next days will be less funny and full of calculations. I have the air exchange to set and the electric lines to place, my head and my twos left hands will suffer.

Can’t wait to launch the seeds, i promise some funk.

Ho, the GHE nutes are for a side project with bamboos ^^ Seeds from in vitro specimens than i’m impatient to try because i was involved in this project. see ya and best vibes !

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After a good headache on the exhaust, i’ve found a solution (spending more and renewing the whole air of a big house lol) then tada ! The flowering space is ready to go.

Disclaimer : put children aside, the Fuel’s industries have something like the freak show of coney island. And yes i’m Dr Frankenstein on LSD when i dabble.

This is the flowering space. It was epic to take a shot, i need to find better settings on my old Canon. It’s like the movie cocoon when you open the tent lol

  • 4x4/120 tent
  • 4x250W CFL, each air cooled with 6 rollers to can be the closest possible of the plants. Actually the duct fans suck trough the bulbs but are reversible to regulate and stabilize temps in the winter. I’m a bit picky with the stability of the temps, i want them rockstable night and day around 21°c / 69.80°F no matter what and without any AC ^^
  • a GHE ebb&flow table of 1sqm / 3.2 sqf
  • RVK of 400CFM-680M3/h and its filter of 590CFM-1000m3/h (yes, i oversize always my carbon filter)
  • RVK of 264CFM-450m3/h on one active intake, ducted on the roof of the tent
  • 2 passive intake with ducts on the roof too (since the gnats of the shoebox i’m paranoid)
  • a cheap clip ventilator

The exhaust line than make me crazy ^^ “hard ducted” to the RVK for the silence, and “mason-nned” to a chimney. Very high pressure inside with only one RVK in action, i’m a bit stressed to receive the second one for the veg space.

Which is in late damned, they come from germany but i don’t want another one. Unfortunately it’s discontinued and replaced by another one than i don’t like in the product line (less horsepower on the exhaust side, less silent). Very quiet, (too) good pressure curve, not so big for the output and with a nice built-in big condensator integrated for relatively cheap (around 90€). It was a fucking quest to get one than i like and a miracle to get a second one, but my usual growshop are golden crew, they love me and i love them ^^

When i receive the one than go in the veg tent (maybe tommorow), i will remove the “screw end” of the T junction, then another headache will come. I need to regulate the distance between the twos junctions, not to be handily but to have the right pressure between the twos RVK. If the RVK of the veg tent is too close of the one of the flo tent, i will apply to much pressure on the T junction and will fuck the performances of the carbon filter. If i put it too far, the pollen tent will be dangerously too close of the flowering tent and i will have too many turbulences in the main tube between the twos tents… hell. Jah bless the skilled friends i’ve called at impossible hours ^^

So all is empty, full reboot. The time than i need to refill the veg tent with three lines i’m working on, i need to refill the jars. So this round in the 2700K tent will be dedicated to @oleskool830 and @SpeesCees.

oleskool830 because he gave me the “satan in my body” (you’re welcome to give me the texan equivalent of this expression ^^) about to smoke sativas hybrids buds.

I’ve put them to swim early this morning, they have 8 years and have not seen a fridge during all these years. My bad ^^
The gens are (Sweet Tooth#3 F3 male x inbred Ghanna landrace female), i don’t expect a good germination rate and i expect a couple of herms ^^ I’ve never tested this line, only sended it to be tested. A shame. All i known is than the potency is surprising, i hope to have enough female to judge that by myself.

It’s a goodbye for this line, this is the only seeds i have. And it’s why i dedicate too this round to SpeesCees. Because i will SOG them, so 12/12 from seeds. I never “regen” a breeding material, so for one time i will grow “normal” like the majority of growers. It’s to show him than i don’t discovered this method yesterday ^^

I will fill the holes of the germination/herms/males with another sativa line than i need to test : inbred Ghanna male x inbred Zamal female. A little madness but i need time to prepare the genpool in veg space. I will maintain this line this time, it’s the only one pure sativa line than i own and than i will own in the future. I will not breed it this round, just saying hello and taste the high. I’ve ton of seeds of it, not a big deal to do a blank round in SOG.

On the veg space well… no surprise to wait. I will launch the Jack and the Sweet Tooth i’ve done in my previous schoebox, continue theyr respective IBLs then maybe do a sweet tooth x jack F1 if i’m enough lucky in selection.

A third line will enter in the dance the same way of the Lemon Skunk x Grape Kush than have leaved the genpool, another US blood than i will discover but which have a nice story behind. No BS or legend of my ass behind, just the fun of a friend from colorado. I will tell you that when i will germinate them.

Can’t wait to finish this space for good, i hate to don’t pay someone to do it for me lol I’m very long at dabbling to obtain what i want, and i suffer. See ya with seedlings under 12/12 !

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Thanks for thinking of me my brother. I am flattered and honored. I am curious about your strains and your lights. Can you tell me about those lights? I’ve never seen one. How are they helpful with heat control? I love your posts. They are detailed and informative. I just copied the whole post straight to oleskool’s Big Red Book.

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What size pots will you use for 12/12 from seed? :cowboy_hat_face:

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thx for your kind words ;o)

About these hybrids in SOG, we will discover together how they grow ^^ It will permit too to see if you’re ready to give a shot in your hot place during this round. We are not in pure sativa lines but totally in the old school haze’s range for sure lol

These CFL bulbs are not well know, and not specially good understanded in general. I mean in term of habits to take. People than have started to flower theyr stuff under T8, when HPS was unreachables, tend to be more rares than ever (i’ve started very young ^^). But in synthesis it’s exactly the same technology : neons, but in more powerfull. With all that it mean in term of temps and penetration of light. CFLs are not very radiant, so they don’t heat the air outside the direct perimeter. It’s why i put fan ducts, to erase this perimeter and get more for the money ^^

To give you a more detailled idea, one 250W bulb like you see in the photo eat in reality around 150W max, without any peak of intensity (like all neon ballasts and led’s drivers, they are low amps) and heat like a 150HPS. It’s a very outdated techno, but i love my weed under neons. My seeds too. Hard to tell more about that without sharing a blunt together.

This round will not be impressive because the bloods are not yielders, and more breeded for potency but you can obtain this type of lady with it in choosing good SOG strains (edit : ask BOG, he known flowers under neons and what is a good sog strain lol):

Of course you have more liberty than with T8s and a bit more intensity of light per sqm (so biggest buds), but the constraints still barely the same. To keep it short and fast, and to think perpetual more than long trees sessions.

The critical trick is to never buy an horticultural CFL bulb than is selled to be below 200W. I choose the 250W because they have the best ratio price/“watt eating”/light.

On the roots side, i SOG with twos volumes than can do the “twos birds / one stone” job (breeding/weed). I start with 2 liters pots (0.5 gal) and i’ve generally killed all undesirables specimens before transplanting in 4 liters (1.05 gal). When you have a high turn over of specimens, it matter in dollars at the end of the year. I use mainly bricks of coco coir inside, with a little cylindric topping of soil for the bitchy strains (seedlings/rooted clones). And sometimes rockwhool in bottom when i want to have fun with electroculture (planned for 2019 ^^).

But the pots in question are very specific and build by a little french company (CEP) than furnish greenhouses and “plants supermarkets”. It’s like the Pöppelmann products if you want, but only in theyr wholesale gamme.

These CEP are designed at the basis for the storing of “roses plants” in horticultural facilities, they are thin but high (20 centimeters / 8 inches for the 2liters ones) and with a smart trapezoidal form factor. Most of the pots sold in growshops are too short in height, i don’t like it and it’s a source of worries with sensible strains.

happy to share with friends in a total freedom ^^

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Excellent my friend. You sir are a wordsmith. :cowboy_hat_face:

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Hell, ~one month in fact to build this space ^^ I was not aware of that until i saw the overgrow’s dates lmao
But it’s finally done and i can launch now a sick amount of germination’s batches. Happiness.

The first run of the flowering space with seed’s SOG will be more a patchwork than i was thinking, failsafe for the jars. It will be interresting to drive for sure with a common tank ^^

Little overview of the spaces, i’m happy to no longer suffer on it.

On the right the very technical clone’s/seedlings space lol The neon is a 218W T8 (yes i love T8), lowered from 224w. Now i can put litterally the neons on the little greenhouses so i need less heat. The big CFL will complete the beam.

The whole tent is beamed by a single CFL250 in 6400K, inside a parabolic reflector. They work well for veg space together.

On the left, the outake-intake than come from the little pollen tent.

And the pollen tent with inside 2 domestic CFL of ~30W. With a manual switch when i need to torture some specimens without fcking the timer’s programs. It will be used sometimes to dry weed also.

This night i need to watch after my seed stash and to launch everything i don’t want specially to breed, and to prepare the halloween and christmas coffeeshop menu ! And to relaunch the project on the Jack, the ST#3 and a new entry.

My desktop will be covered by seeds to germinate lol This space need to be overgrown as hell. See ya !

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