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TGA Norstar - seeds are still viable.
…When they discontinued Producer’s Overstock, I had a feeling that “something’s up”. Please keep in mind, they do inform you when seeds were produced (some from 2014, through 2021). So, I wanted to do a germination test: I took one (1) Sangria, soaked it, and a tap toot emerged within about 24 hours…I have it in soil now, and it’s looking great.
Next Test: …going to soak some Jacks Cleaner 2, 3rd Dimension, Qleaner (all produced between 2014-2018). Just put them in water now, but will update with results.
I believe germination rates will be relative to how they stored their seed stock; hopefully stored correctly in refrigerator. And if they were left on a shelf, or out in the sun (for about 10 years), …we may have a problem. But i have faith, and giving them a chance.
PS - (off topic) - I also soaked two (2) seeds I had stored in a drawer (room temp), that are also about 10 years old - did not think they would do anything, and one (1) has cracked…so that’s a positive indication…now going to put it in some soil.
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I would love to see a repro of Jack’s Cleaner. Straight up Lemon Pine Sol with a buzz like C99. I haven’t seen those seeds in years.
Good luck with them.
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TGA Norstar Update(s):
Jacks Cleaner 2 - Not Sprouting 
3rd Dimension: Sprout, but then Die
Qleaner - No Sprout
So, I’ll try again, with a few more beans, and also adding a Jack Skellington to the test.
PS - some seeds have a very hard shell, so I’m experimenting with new germination techniques:
trying the “seed cracker” method (seed cracker tool - like a mini vice that crack pops the seed)
try to score the ridge
cracked a seed in half, and planted the half with embryo…
…I need to get creative…I also have some old True Blueberry - they are hard as hell, they at least 5 years old, but trying to give these a go as well…
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Check out JohnnyPotSeeds germ tek.
Very effective according to many users here!
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…just using plain water now - but was thinking making a diluted solution of Humic Acid & Kelp (5:2 Ratio), then further diluted down for a soak…just haven’t had the time to mix it up…However, I’ve had some old seeds “crack open” in the plain water, but once planted, they would either not sprout at all, or sprout and then die…frustrating, because I’ve alway’s had luck with seeds - old or new, but I’m hitting a very “unlucky” seed stock run…on the other hand - kind of makes some sense too, because as I got through my seed inventory, I’m trying all my older strains before they are totally “Expired”.
on a side note, I used Humic Acid & Kelp with last year’s grow - I believe it truly enhanced the Oils, Resins, & Aroma - only used it on a couple plants, and didn’t use it on this year’s grow of different plants.
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…I’ll try the JPS “worm castings method” - just need to buy some worm castings.
Also, …I might try using some hydrogen peroxide too (I believe to use it in a 1:4 ratio)
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TGA Norstar seed Update(s):
Jack Skellington - 2 soaked, 2 cracked, going to transplant into soil today
Qleaner - 1 soak, 1 cracked - going to transplant today
3rd Dimension - Nada
Jacks Cleaner 2 - Nada
…so, old seeds are cracking in plain water, and I’m using Pro-Mix Soilless mix, maybe I should hit them with Humic Acid & Kelp once they go into the soilless mix…it seems they need a boost due to age
PS …my old Blueberry seeds still doing nothing, so I soaked a few more, and out of my initial run (i’ve gone through almost 10 seeds - not one survivor)…yet, I have a couple more to go. As with this past seed soak, one Blueberry sank, and although it didn’t crack, I CRACKED IT MANUALLY and put it into the mix…hmm…we’ll see…
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@Tomahawk yeah that should make a big difference. I just do the Viva Paper Towel Sauna method but I use Liquid Karma & Water… Liquid Karma is a Kelp based additive/catalyst & gibberellic acid & humic acid are part of its makeup… I’ve seen it up germ rates considerably on old seeds… I know there’s other similar products but I just stay with what works for me and its super simple.
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Thanks for the Info - I need to go out to the shop & pick some up.
I typically buy Humic Acid & Kelp in bulk; and make a 5:2 mixtures myself (starting at 12% Concentrate, and then dilute it down to about 6% when watering) - it save’s money, but is also a bit of a pain in the ass sometimes (when time is short, and don’t feel like measuring and mixing). …And with just seedlings, I don’t feel like mixing it up - it can be a bit messy.
I’m getting some Liquid Kama right now…
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TGA Chernobyl “Golden Ticket”… grown with zero Veg time… just thrown in the ground… planted around the end of July here in Upstate NY. When I got the snips back from a buddy who’s held it… he mailed em back to me un-rooted in July… I rooted each one of them quickly and tested for HLVD (all clean)… this is the only one that’s been flowered so far. I have a few under T5 now… and distributed a few rooted clones to fellow Weed Nerds who also love the old TGA and of course one to @BCC who recently ran the Chernobyl seed reproduction here on Overgrow… as I felt he deserved it.
@Tomahawk I used to do that too. I would buy dry kelp and other things like azomite from Kelp4Less but Liquid Karma is just easier. I’m all about easy… a bottle is $28 and it lasts a long time in the fridge.
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Looks great. My clone (thank you again!) is vegging and doing well. I’ll post some photos when I put it in flower.
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Are there any Third Dimension seeds still floating around? I will trade for some if anyone has a pack or two. LMK… 
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TGA Norstar update:
Jack Skellington - 2 soaked, 2 cracked, 2 popped! (1 is still struggling to fully open up, but 1 is looking good).
I started using Humic Acid & Kelp blend, but wish I had started using sooner…Besides the few TGA strains I’m trying to sprout, I’m going through some of my older stock too - having no (to little) success using plain water. Now that I’ve added the Bio-Active Supplement, everything at least cracked open.
I’ll give this another shot:
Qleaner, Jacks Cleaner 2, 3rd Dimension.
…I’ll probably start a new soak tomorrow - this time I’ll use the “special sauce”, and see if we can get these going too.
btw - the Qleaner pushed through, the seed shell was kind of like a “helmet”, but that’s all she did. She stayed like that for a couple of days, so I assisted removing the seed shell helmet, and underneath was some healthy white, but also some dead tissue - I may have been a bit premature…but I had to do the same with all my older seeds - typically without issue, (usually helps in development & growth).
the 3rd Dimension actually made it where it had the two “teardrop” leaves, but never developed the second set of leaves, and when I plucked it out of the soil this morning, to my surprise, it had established a nice root network…
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Wow man looking killer 
wish there was a scratch and sniff option here 
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Hey @Addams_family_farm, question for you. I just finished a grow of Chernobyl S1 only had one going but the smell was so amazing, like a 7 up. Anyway the one I grew I got maybe an ounce of her and the limbs were super weak every one needed support. In your experience is she generally a low yielder and kind of crappy structure? Was going to run a full tent but was looking for a lil invite thanks!
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Good luck! Ima keep my 
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Hey man, I actually never grew Chernobyl before I would ask @MonsterDrank his opinion. I do have a s1 going myself but haven’t flowered yet. I am noticing some of the stems are semi hollow so was thinking some training / staking would take care of that but I dnt know i would say run her again if the flavor is worth it to you maybe she just needs a little extra attention
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