Yeah they are utilitech led and they are the ones that are growing the best plants. The other led that performed poorly were more expensive and from the grow store.
Sorry but often times stuff at the grow shops is way overpriced to take advantage of the cannabis industry.
All the bottles of overpriced nutrients and pest management products should make that apparent.
Light you can see and light plants use are not the same thing. There not what I would call blurples , the light spectrum is switchable.
They might be from China but how much other stuff in your house is from them…
All I really care about is the results and the lights from the hardware store outperform the ones from the grow store and cost lesss and use less power.
I’m not going to spend a bunch of money on technology that is relatively cheap to produce.
What’s the wattage/brand of the other led light?
T5s are going to be missed when they’re gone. 🫡
The utilitech lights are 25 watts each the other led are sunsystem or some similar name and are 48 watts each , 50 watts of utilitech are outperforming 96 watts.
I have standard high output t5s and the utilitech lights are outperforming those also. The t5s are 54 watts.
Also this is not my thread but one I’ve enjoyed taking part in at times.
Also I was very aware that there would be backlash for coming on here and stating that some low watt hardware store led grow lights are outperforming there more expensive grow shop counter parts but that’s the reality of what is going on here.
Light spectrum matters and I’m shocked the led community seems happy to ignore that well known and documented aspect of horticulture.
These plants are being grown right next to each other in the same soil , started at the same time , same type and varieties , the variable is the lights and the lights with the best growth win regardless of how people feel about them. Results matter more to me then opinion.
Btw the utilitech lights are also full spectrum , it’s printed right on the box in the picture, it’s the color ratios that are different. It’s been established long ago that more blue is better for veg and more red is better for flower , I’m honestly shocked this is even being debated. What most led lights are describing with the term full spectrum is a more balanced mix between the two color spectrums vs lights that are heavy towards one or the other.
Something important to me is the light needs to look pretty to my eyes. I’ve had grow lights that put out such hideous light I didn’t even want to open my tent.
i agree with that comment
In the end I think it’s fair to say that not all leds are created equal. Use what works for your setup and have fun growing 
What we see and what the plants use are entirely different , neon lights are pretty but probably don’t grow good cannabis.
I’m happy to strike a balance between the 2 and the 4000k grows plants just fine.
I love how the utilitech can be switched to all blue…so at 25 watts that’s gotta compare to a 250 right? Seems like a nice light…be nice to see some UV options.
The uv is a missing aspect but could be added for bloom , I’m mainly a outdoor grower so the veg quality is what I’m after for mother’s and seedlings.
Okay, yeah, I missed that part haha.
I dunno. Whatever. I like my Apaches haha!
I also missed this part. Most of us would agree that LEDs are equal or better for growth, but that they also change the nutrient requirements slightly. I had the same experience when I first started growing under LEDs - my plants were unhappy with the nutrients, grew fast at first then started showing deficiencies and slowed down.
I just looked closely at this picture. The smaller plants in front, which I’m guessing are the ones ostensibly proving that LEDs are worse, are all showing signs of deficiencies on the bottom leaves. Anyone wanna bet that’s cal/mag? 
I think 6K was found to work best for vegetive growth.
It has more blue.
4k is still a bit too much red for optimum veg growth.
This info was based on HID lighting.
It does tranfer well to LED too.
Also we should talk about what is considered full spectrum.
It is surely not the purple lights.
A light that is close to full spectrum should look white to the eye or kinda close anyway.
Should full spectrum include non visable light?
Photo usable radiation AKA PUR.
I found all of those cheap LED light to be lacking in something, not real good for growing plants.
I even bought a Kind LED light that was not cheap and I found it to be lacking.
But I kinda do agree with @Foreigner that a 4k light is best for all around growing if you can only choose 1 color Temperature/spectrum for both veg and flower choose 4k.
If you require faster more compact growth in veg use a 6K light.
I know traditional thinking red for flower. But I don’t care. The 4000k makes my tent a joy to open because it’s so pretty.
And who’s the last person who said “oh no my plants have stretched 6% because I used red instead of blue for veg?
I would buy 4000k again in a heartbeat, and I probably will 
I have used several LED’s and none have been lacking for veg or flower. Any issues I have tend to be me and not my gear. But again, I have only used LED’s from 3 companies and there are hundreds of them out there.
uhm, did I miss it or did nobody mention that pm looking stuff
It’s hard to beat led lights these days
I just got a Kind LED X420 for my 4X2 and I am pretty impressed with It. This LED is the only one I know of that has two separate dimmers. One for the main LEDs with more White, blue and one for red, far red and UV so you can control the spectrum more during the grow. Its like having two light in one.
Is there anyone on here that has experience with the X420?
I just checked it out and it’s quite neat. A little less efficient then some but it gives you a lot of control.
Yeah Kind LED said the light makes up for the reduced efficiency with the targeted spectrum of LEDs they use. Not as much push but better spectrum for the plants, they say.