I’m merely offering knowledge and thoughts on the subject. Not step by step how I do things. Please don’t assume what you don’t know.
Actually, what you are doing is presenting your method (cherry picking males) as the superior strategy, while also exposing your ignorance of the huge importance of open pollination–like how you believe “open pollination” means no improvement in the line, and gloss over disease resistance and the preservation at all costs of genetic material, like that is completely unimportant.
I grow medicine for my wife and I and that’s it. I don’t grow outdoors, nor do I clam anything I make is good to grow outdoors. Its not even legal to grow outdoors where I live.
So now it comes out that you are not actually doing serious breeding work aimed at larger goals, but just propagating smoke for your close family to use. (And that’s fine, but…)
And you don’t even grow outdoors, because “it’s illegal.” How many people do you think are in this thread and on this forum who are violating the law in some fashion, whether they know it or not?
Do you only avoid outdoor growing because of the legality, or perhaps because you know or suspect that your genetics would get wrecked out there if subjected to the full force of Mother Nature?
If I do make beans I document everything for all to see and share the resulting beans, usually right here, for free. I don’t charge for anything so I don’t know where that’s coming from.
I don’t care if you charge or not; that’s not the point. You’re perfectly within your rights to make whatever beans and sell them for whatever price. I would actually respect you more if you did that. The point here is you are running a very limited operation with very limited goals, and trying to argue me into the dirt acting like your method of doing things is better. No, it really isn’t. Furthermore you are causing harm by misleading newbies when you claim such.
To put it bluntly, if people stopped producing heavily inbred cannabis lines in their closet, drug cannabis could still survive and thrive worldwide. If however people stop growing and producing open pollinated lines outdoors, drug cannabis will then be well on its way to extinction.
I’m merely stating males can be quantified the same way females can
WRONG! NEITHER MALES NOR FEMALES CAN BE FULLY “QUANTIFIED”! Did you even read what I wrote above, before responding? Or are you just stuck in this loop that you will never break out of?
Those four F3 keeper plants that I spoke of earlier, which outcompeted and dominated when the majority of their sisters were destroyed. How could you have possibly selected THE male father which would produce such plants, out of the 60+ males that were grown in the F2 generation? X-ray vision that lets you know exactly which male will produce what, when you couldn’t have even looked at one particular female and known it was anything special, without cloning it and growing it in a different environment? Cross a promising female by each individual male and grow out the resulting 60 crosses to “test” them? How could you possibly do anything like this? Why not just open pollinate the fucking plants, grow out the next generation, and let Mother Nature do the testing and selection?
If you’re not breeding anything outdoors to begin with, then what the hell are you doing, exactly, in an “Understanding breeding” thread acting like you are an authority on the subject?
We’re breeding for entirely different purposes. You can have uniformity at f2 and f3 with the correct selections if that’s what you want. It’s all about goals.
Yes, it is clear we have completely different purposes. You want to breed bottlenecked indoor-only strains in your closet, for your own personal use only. I’m trying to do something that will make a broader and more lasting impact on the cannabis world, hopefully contributing to longevity and health of the species as a whole. Your next to last sentence, highlighted in bold, explains it exactly as I said it above: your #1 emphasis is on SPEED above all else. That’s an extremely shortsighted mentality. Even in your limited circumstances you would be better off using open pollination instead of all this heavy inbreeding, but you simply refuse to hear it.
