Say what, cannabis is going extinct? Lol, I be betting that she survives long past us silly argumentative homo sapiens. Imo, there is room in the world for both maintaining genetic diversity and seeking out those special unique phenos, it doesn’t have to be a tug of war between the two.
Though he comes off pretty sharp and arrogant, I do like the approach face guy lays out here. Is it, the one best way? Meh, that’s arrogance. But it does hold value.
And there’s one problem w the idea that we shouldn’t ever be selective when seeking the pheno’s we want;
Oh my bad! I guess I blanked out and thought since its meant to be outdoors that you would’ve selected for mold resistance while making the cross and then inbreeding it for two more generations but I guess only me
bother to do that. so of course a good portion died off from mold. My mistake!
How many more generations of letting nature do her thing do ya think before you can pop a pack of your cross and not have 4,542,445,231 different pheno’s come out of it? Or is that the plan too?
Look, it’s all about goals. Sounds like you want to make a solid outdoor line that will stand the test of time. That’s admirable. I would say most people are not trying to do that. Most are just trying to do what works for them in their area, whether that be indoors or out. Test for what we can and go from there. Without our domesticated crops we would not have civilization. So unless you know of some impending cataclysm then I think it’s pretty safe to say our crops and
aren’t going anywhere.
You talk about me wanting speed… go look at BOG. Sour Bubble history to be specific. He talks about it on THCFarmer and the Pot Cast interview among others.
He ran out a bunch of bogbubbles over the years as it was his favorite strain. Years in, he came across one singular female that became the Sour Bubble mom. It took him another TWO YEARS after that to find the singular matching male that was the same sour bubble pheno, that would make Sour Bubble seeds. He knew what to look for in the male because he already had the same pheno from the girl he already had! Of course he still tested after selection to be sure but you get the point. No other male he ever found paired with that girl would put out beans like the one that matched the girl’s pheno. That’s the power of selection.
Another example, look at Professor P and Blue Magoo. It’s taken Prof P years to get that line to BX3 and producing a majority of plants that look exactly like the original clone. Years to find a singular BX2 male that will pair perfectly with the clone to produce uniform beans. But sure, “we just want it now”.
Now will those stand the test of time outdoors and whatnot? But it sure is good stuff!
Could they have just open pollinated and came across them sooner? Sure. But good luck finding which came from which if you want more beans like that. But their goal’s, like mine, aren’t the same as yours.
Bog found a pain relief strain in the bogbubbles and wanted to make a line of just that. Prof P wanted a seed line of that clone. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, and work with what you got, but I wouldn’t say this process is fast. Greedy maybe in wanting to find matching pairs and creating specific things, bend the plant to our will, but that’s how we got here to begin with.
When some mention cannabis going extinct, I take it to mean mostly landraces of old are being hybridized, and lost, in that sense.
The cannabis species as a whole is safe I would think. There will always be pockets of unhybridized varietals, be it wild, or in the hands of a few growers free of commercial interest…
Of course if the whole world is growing gorilla cake og s1, it’s going to be a problem.
Self pollinating crops don’t suffer from inbreeding depression the same way as outcrossing species.
You could probably self a tomato every year for decades without hurting it too much…
I could be wrong, but selecting indoors for resistance against mold, fungi and pests just isn’t the same as selecting outdoors.
When I open pollinated a lifesaver pack, I made a point to grow in a humid environment with less than Ideal ventilation. None molded.
Then I planted 300 f2s outside, close to vines, and clearly some were better equipped to fight against the multitude of stresses, attacks and uneven conditions.
Sometimes you can’t select for everything in one go
Would naturally expect that variation in the F2’s, but then you could select those for the F3’s so you don’t lose as much in the F3 grouping. Among other things. Also sounds like the resistance might be a recessive trait All things to think about.
No…it’s just a generalized response by all plants. Plant defense signaling is activated by the pathogen-detecting receptors These events in turn typically lead to the modification of proteins that control gene transcription, and the activation of defense-associated gene expression
…but as i mentioned, using chromosomes and whacky breeding, you may be able to create an impenetrable Wonder Woman of a plant…would take time…but according to what ive seen, you can do it. Also there’s diff mold, bacteria species. So let’s say i make a kickass resistant thing here in texas, some cat brings up to PNW and the thing crumbles in a powdery white explosion…hard to say really.
This is gonna be based on selection. Generally you Inbreed to lock in things, E.G. creating homozygous pairs. You can do that with dominant or recessive genes, it just depends on the trait. It gets more complicated when you start seeing co-dominant/co-recessive traits.
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I could totally see resistivity being a function of overall vigor in the line however That would kinda suck though, no way to really do anything with that in a line without outcrossing/recombining/OP/other fun stuff to bring back or keep as much vigor in the line as possible. Any type of selective inbreeding for multiple generations would likely lower the resistance of the line no matter the strain. But at that point why even bother looking at that. Either the line is good for it or it’s not and if you can’t select for it anyways… We generally don’t smoke super inbred stuff, we breed with it to make new F1’s. And still being the case, they would have the resistivity we want… That would lead credence as to why most of our corn, sugar beets, spinach, sunflowers, broccoli, and onions are all F1 hybrids, on top of the already obvious gains
Mixing breeding methodology with monoecious and dioecious plants is kinda risky…monoecious won’t respond the same. That’s how universities create the corn for us…find ones that do good, those are pretty much done after that…but with dioecious it gets way more complicated in keeping what you want where you want it
That should be Whorled Phyllotaxy or specifically in this case, quadrifoliate. I’ve grown some Afghani’s from Jordan of the Island’s that did that, as well as some 89NL’s from AKBB that did that too, among other strange growth patterns.
Close…it’s a diploid that went quadrafoliate…i didnt do anything to it…it is from a line im working known for weirdness…but going from 2 branch…to 4??? …mind…blown…i dont even know what’s going on inside that thing…so i dont think that’s a diploid lol
Just when i thought i knew what was going on…that shit happens lol
That’s what inbreeding depression is Inbreeding depression is the decline in the physical fitness of a population that is caused by the increased expression of harmful recessive genes. When inbreeding occurs, recessive genes have a higher chance of being expressed
Inbreeding starts at F2, its all the Xs becoming more and more alike. The more individuals raised at once the more diverse the genome, because of random mutation keeping the genome fresh. Using a large range of inbreed seeds will start to “come back alive” at generation 2. We did this with 2 million seeds(not cannabis though) outdoor and the genome diversified(a word?) by itself at gen 2. I would asume this is also true for cannabis. The major problem today is the illegalization of cannabis. This keeps the amount of crop locked indoor and low population.
But it sure is good stuff!
All things to think about.
That would kinda suck though, no way to really do anything with that in a line without outcrossing/recombining/OP/other fun stuff to bring back or keep as much vigor in the line as possible. Any type of selective inbreeding for multiple generations would likely lower the resistance of the line no matter the strain. But at that point why even bother looking at that. Either the line is good for it or it’s not and if you can’t select for it anyways… We generally don’t smoke super inbred stuff, we breed with it to make new F1’s. And still being the case, they would have the resistivity we want… That would lead credence as to why most of our corn, sugar beets, spinach, sunflowers, broccoli, and onions are all F1 hybrids, on top of the already obvious gains 