Vesti’s Bramble Wars and some Weed Chuckin' Too

Well, 4.5 years in this excellent community and not a single grow or chuck to show beyond a few pics here and there, so it seems well past time to remedy that. The title is a reference to the overall situation, which is a couple acres of unimproved woods and brambles I’m gradually hacking away at to open up some general gardening space, the exact nature of which remains to be decided upon…we’ll see.

Veggies and herbs, from what seems like ages ago now…more pics of the Bramble Wars to follow.

About 30 two-year-old Haskaps/Honeyberries - here just put in the ground.

More to the point, my first substantial outdoor grow eased its way into flower throughout August powered by little more than sunlight, rainwater, native soil, and good compost – some of them could probably have used some additional help, but none of them got much pampering. The overall goal here is to yes, grow some great smoke, but also to work a few lines toward a condition where they will be viable outdoors in the increasingly mercurial climate typifying the Southern Tier region of NY in which their foreseeable futures will unfold.

Most of these lines result from my own hapless crosses, and were in small-ish pots outside for too long but most managed to get their “in the ground” feet under them – it’s very wet here (except when it’s not…) and the main battle has been with snails and such eating lowers. Anyone with advice on dealing with these is more than welcomed to clue me in. It’s gotten too cold for them now (and the last of the gals – mostly Kashmirs – will come down this weekend) I was thinking about ordering some nematodes to keep them at bay, anyone use them for this? They were also a huge issue in the veggie patch.

This first is from an original cross Kush n Cookies CBD X Royal Kush BX10.

Eventide F4: (Kush n’ Cookies CBD X Royal Kush BX10)

My KnC mom was phenomenal, by far the most aromatic plant I’ve grown and had the best down-the-middle hybrid high, and when she was dialed in could render just under 16OZ in a 2x4. However, as a breeder she has been less cooperative in passing on the most desirable traits. Great plant, mediocre breeder…common enough story. I miss her, her nose was like savory pastry in a spice shop, and overwhelmingly so. I always cringe at the name though, pure rhetoric/obvious pandering gets annoying. They were from Garden of Green, incidentally.

Hearthstone F4: (KnC CBD X [GMO X Kashmir Azad])

This is the second of only two crosses I managed to get with my KnC, and is another middling hybrid. The previous generation had two phenos, one taller and somewhat “headier” effects, the other shorter and more sedative. For this the taller pheno was selected.

HK are the two taller lighter gals in the back.

These never really took to the ground, but at least one of them looks to be getting seeds to finish, so they’ll get another go in the spring, hopefully fortified by mom and better able to thrive outdoors.

The Magdalene: Jacalyn/TNT BC1 (Jacalyn X [Jacalyn X KashAz])

The Mags began as an outcross from my Jac mom to KashAz, then back to mother Jac. The aim is to capture Jacalyn’s very nice sedative and body comfort/pain relieving properties and add a little of the “levity” and positive clear head space the KashAz brings (although Jac is not at all lacking in positive effects overall). The cross itself has a lot going for it, and hopefully this BC will tighten down the best qualities of both lines. Another case of more males than females too, five were selected out of a couple dozen, all but one male. In the end this one female proved to be quite susceptible to botrytis, and I ended up taking her pretty early, but left seeded branches to finish – hopefully the progeny will prove better suited to the environment than their mom.

Probably the most elegant plant of the season, botrytis issues notwithstanding.

Kashmir Azad P3

Pictured are plants of the 3rd P/filial generation I’ve worked (what I and many others here received were around 4gens out of the “wild”, if memory servesw?). This line has had and will continue to have a prime place in my grows. These are strong resistant plants that do well outdoors, are easy to manage, perform more than adequately in relatively low light, are drought resistant, and always add something special to crosses – if I ever needed a “desert island” strain, this would be it, hands down, variegation or not.

Here they are barely on the cusp of flowering.

Here they are a few days ago.

More pics of the KashAz to come, and I’ll fill in the blanks on some different directions I have in mind for them.

Light Fandango F6 (GMO[smf] X KashAz)

Not quite as “big” in effects as GMO on its own, but produces excellent (better, in my opinion) and longer lasting “up” effects, slightly trippy, and with a through-line I would characterize as a sense of “well-being”. This one plant (and the male that provided pollen…RIP) derive from 100+ beans sprouted in late January and kept in a barely heated greenhouse from seedling. I didn’t really expect any to survive, but 5 of them made it through freezing temps and the vagaries of the Southern Tier NY winter/springtime. Only one female in that group, the others ended up male. After the lengthy ordeal beginning months ago, this one deserves to live and make some beans.

Summertime pic, still in pots.

The only female of that lot, top taken off as she was too visible to a nosey neighbor (long story there…), she’ll be taken this weekend.

Anyway, there are a few more things going on, but that’s it for starters. Thanks for looking, all!

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Well, hell yes I’m gonna jump in here to follow along. Especially when there’s Kashmir Azad involved! :wink:
Looking great!

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Your land looks beautiful, brother. I grew up in southern ny, Hudson valley region, and your landscape reminds me of my early years.
:chair::maté:
Looking forward to this!

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Your property is a woodland paradise ! :+1: Very nice plants and quite interesting genetics. May the Universe bless you and your garden. :v::grin::+1:

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@firehead
@CaptainRon
@Magu

Thanks all - much appreciated!

Here are a couple of TropCherry S1’s by @Butustank. These (now in jars) were in small pots for the duration - awesome coloration, smells less toward cherry and more toward orange, hints of marmalade, even the trichs are a deep purple (as it were…).

Smoke report forthcoming, lots to test out around here!

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@Vesti Love the Azad Kashmirs! Glad to see you working with it and glad to hear the tests came back clean.

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Thanks @Upstate, appreciate it. I took them down yesterday and can’t wait to try them out - they’re the first batch I’ve grown in the ground and it seems to me their smells are a bit more complex than the indoor and it will be interesting to see if that follows with effects too. And yea, based on what I observed in growing them I wasn’t too concerned about their pathogen status, but it was definitely encouraging to gather some additional evidence on the subject.

Updates to follow.

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I feel the same way about jacalyn.
@CapnCannabis is also in the Jackie fan club

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I am without a doubt one of the biggest Jackie fanboys besides @antheis Jacalyn is probably my Favorite plant i have ever smoked, grew,Trimmed just had the pleasure to be around.Not just a plant for good breeding stock she is in a standalone category all by her lonesome and dominates it like a battle space.It envelopes you in w warm blanket of Love and takes away alot of pain mentally and physically lasts for hours and can be a stimulant or a body numbing sedative all in one package by either 2 good hits or anything past 2 going into the murky deep waters.She makes great crosses is very pest and mold resistant and handles the cold like a champ.Like @antheis told me she is a great beginner grower plant.If your a Vet this years Veteran Giveaway i will be giving away a ton of A very Special Selection of Jacalyn i repro’ed this year very fresh From what i was gifted.There are different phenos in there some log bud growing types and some taller log bud plants.I selected for the more taller elegant ones.



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Indeed, no doubt at all Jacalyn is highly underrated and delivers everything you note. A few years ago I mentioned on some thread somewhere on here about having trouble finding something that was good nighttime, relieving in the body, and with a clear morning, @antheis suggested Jacalyn, offered to send me a few, and the rest is history - enduring thanks to Antheis for that!

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He was the man who gave me my magic beans as well.@Vesti Did you find any of the shorter ones that grow ping pong pom pom buds that grow in to single kolas yet?Those ones smell like sweet juniper pine almost exactly like The old Northern Lights from the 90s used to smell.She has red hairs when she finishes and golden yellow fan leaves if you take her to the end.Very greasy and sticky that one is my favorite pheno kind of tricky to find that ones the one that pops up the least but shes in there.If you ever find that one clone it or youll be sorry.She will yellow up with light stress in a tent that one likes it at 40%max

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Here’s a Jacalyn that was really bushy in veg, here about three weeks ago and currently finishing in a greenhouse with another month or so to go.

For some reason I ended up with germ issues with my Jac stock and three of the four plants I got to grow were males, this being the only female and hopefully producing seeds. Most smells I get from the line are in the savory and light fuel with a little sweet, but this one does have that pine-heavy profile, very nice.

And of course this calls for a shout out to Classic (RIP) - the man had quite a touch.

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Someone i gave beans to on here told me the exact same thing about the males.He put down 7 i think out of a twelve at once and got all males.I got an even amount last time i popped so maybe ill be lucky this next go and pull a couple males to make an open pollination is what i was thinking if i got 7 males to one or two good jackies think of the possibility .I wanted to keep the variation with what i have and maybe open it up a touch.The females i find are almost always worth keeping i dont think ive found not one yet that wasnt any good?

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The off-balance ratio hasn’t been typical, but I had a weird season in which several lines - some mine, some others - ended up disproportionately male.

The biggest challenge I’m dealing with with the Jac is some sluggishness in veg, and it could be I’ve gotten things too inbred and lost too much vigor. The Jacalyn X (JacalynXKashAz), which I’m calling The Magdalene, went like gangbusters out of the shell.

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That outdoor i showed was a slow to show but took off like a rocket ended up almost 7 ft tall i named her the Rocket Queen She was very very slow but showed my ass right up.

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Great thread, absolutely love the background you describe of the plants.

I’m definitely gonna be watching, I think I could learn alot from growers like you and @CapnCannabis.

I’ve started to gain quite an interst in landrace strains as of late, like kashmir, Chitral Kush, Panama, Malawi and Congo.

I enjoy a more sativaish buzz than couch lock, and think sativa are plants beautiful.

I’ve been eying Ace seeds, but want to learn a bit more first before I try and tackle those, and get a better idea of what to look for.

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Holy hell, that is a beast of a Jacalyn!

@HaRdRoC - Much appreciated, I kinda grow by the seat of my pants, as it were - although there aren’t as many crashes these days so I guess that can work!

And yea, got to love a good sativa, although usually I do like something with at least a little body sprinkled in.

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@CapnCannabis
@antheis

Here is the Jac in a greenhouse, needs 3-4 weeks.

I’m not sure how she is going to turn out as temps are lowering and light is diminishing, but she’ll get there. Definitely one of the shorter piney plants you mention, Cap. She was pollinated around three weeks ago (I pollinated everything but the top main) but isn’t showing much evidence that it took. Hopefully there are a few knocking around those nugs or I might have to hit one of you guys up for some fresh stock.

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Yikes, already lagging with updates…

…we’ll get to the weed, but first a bit of the Bramble Wars.

Far above the Blackberrys, Raspberrys, Rosethorns, Honeysuckle, Milkweed, Dogbane, Goldenrod (to name only the most prominent Brambles and other invasive - but ironically welcomed - flora) is a tree canopy consisting chiefly of Ash and Larch, with a fair representation of Maples and Elms and just few evergreens. To anyone familiar with the state of Ash trees in North America it will come as little surprise that much of the work around here so far has been dedicated to felling sizable groves of Ash that over the last few years have succumbed to the insatiable appetite of the Emerald Ash Borer. Over the last two decades+ the EAB has swept through N/E US and Canada and more or less decimated our Ash populations - drive on highways almost anywhere around here and you’ll see medians and roadsides sporting skeletal trees, many - probably most - are Ash. They are gorgeous trees and the pestilence has pretty much all of them in a death grip, and the only up side in my situation is that I am able to carve out some open space without slaughtering many nice trees…it’s also hella good firewood, so there is just a little wiggle room for some gratitude toward these formerly beautiful treescapes.

Nature, however, is a fierce bitch, and where sunlight now cascades through open canopies to the floor of the former forest, life forms - waiting always with heavy engines idling - charge skyward and swallow up every open arena with engulfing vigor.

Which brings me to the Bramble Wars…

And with some time and the cautious use of a “twingey” lower back.

To say that all of this is on a shoestring budget is an understatement, and so whatever resources are readily available on the property are being put to use. Those garden beds are roughly constructed - very roughly - of logs in various states of decay, most of them past the point of firewood. Without intending it, what this approach amounts to is a form of hugelkultur, which is an agricultural strategy that employs and somewhat redirects dynamics of the natural forest cycle toward intentional cultivation. These will be mostly garden/kitchen herbs with an eye toward sales to restaurants and maybe (very) small scale essential oil processing. At least that’s the current thinking, but who knows what will result from my continued negotiation with this scenario, it’s all flying by the seat-of-my-pants, as it were ("Fly? Yes!..Land? NO!..for those with some cinematic history under their belts…).

Given that the weed harvest is in, that dimension of this thread will be a retrospective, probably non-linear, and I’ll do my damndest to check back in with some of what went down over the season’s grow ASAP. Here is the last pic, for good measure, of the Kashmir Azads. They came down a couple days later:

Thanks for reading, all!

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