Awesome, thanks. Really impressive show!
Some are from seed, some are from cloneâŚ
GH x C99 # 3 was from seed
AAA Purple Royale is from clone
SBG #1 is from clone
GH x C99 #6 is from seed
thank you !
I keep a small 2â x 4â clone tent⌠all my clones and seedlings live in here till its time for the big roomâŚ
Nice job bro coco and ledâs are amazing, real progress eh
Iâm sure itâs on a plant by plant basis but what do you
think works better in this setup clones or seeds also
have you ever tried it with soil⌠I also use two gallons
but just use the bamboos to tie up weak
branchesâŚhell if I could even get 2 ounces a plant
while still maintaining that small of a foot print per
plant I would be winning with my flood table full it
would be like a pound a row donât know if the 2 HPS
could get even close to that intensity though
clones and seeds are the same to me⌠if i was growing for production I prefer clones as then I know what to expectâŚthis crop I posted had 24 unique phenotypes and 6 or so different strains âŚso it was good but not optimal⌠currently I am looking for good phenotypes and when I find them I will settle down to maybe 4 different strains ⌠i like the GH x C99 #3 and would consider that my top draft pick ⌠big vigorous plant, dense frosty bud that stinksâŚhuge rosin return and the rosin tastes so nice and fruity you would swear its been artificially enhancedâŚits absolutely unreal
Hey @nitro - very nice harvest!
Is it ok if I pick on your grow as an excellent example of why it is so difficult, and why it can be so deceptive, to compare different growers harvests and why gm/watt in particular sucks as the worst possible way?
Your grow happens to be radically different from mine in several different ways - actually almost every possible way - which makes it an excellent example math wise.
If so, I will run the numbers on your grow vrs one of my grows several different ways, and see how they look depending on how you do, or dont do the math. I think it would be interesting to see how the numbers fall depending on what/how you choose to compare them.
Unless your into numbers, it will probably be boring as heck, but dont worry, by the time Im done no one will be able to tell if either one of us even has a dick, let alone which one is bigger!
I might come across a bit snarky or like Im picking on you, but Im not really. Its the whole idea of gm/watt that Im trying to pick on. You just happen to be in the wrong place at the right time with a nice grow.
I love math !! what have you come up with so far ?
Stupid kidney stones are acting up, so Im a tad highâŚ, but dont worry - Im pretty sure 2+2=5
First - Im assuming all your numbers are dry weights? Im going to convert all the weights to grams.
So, your specs
36 photoperiod
Yield = 4082 gm
Time = 76 days
#light fixtures = 12
Watts = 2000 rated
Sq ft = 12x6.75 = 81sqft
Volume = 12x6.75x7 = 567 cuft
That look right?
My grow:
3 Autos
Yield = 763 gm
Time = 96 days
#light fixtures = 1
Watts = 320 rated
Sq ft = 2.33x3.16 = 7.36 sqft
Volume = 2.33x3.16x3.88 = 28.6 cuft
Lets look at how they compare or who âwinsâ depending on how we do the math.
Total yield - You win! 4082 to 763 (Your gizmo is more than 5 times as big as mine!)
Yield per day = You win! 4082/76= 53 gm/day vrs 763/96= 7.9gm/day (oh no 6.7 times as big!)
Yield per plant - I win! 763/3 = 254 gm/plant vrs 4082/36 = 113.4 gm/plant
Yield per fixture = I win! 763/1 = 763 gm/fix vrs 4082/12=340 gm/fix (hmm only by 2.2 times)
Yield per watt = I win! 763/320 = 2.38 vrs 4082/2000 = 2.04 hmmm (close one dang it)
Yield per sq ft = I win! 763/7.36 = 103.6 gm/sqft vrs 4082/81 = 50.4 (better than last time)
Yield per cuft = I win! 763/28.6 = 26.7 vrs 4082/567 = 7.2 gm/cuft (3.7 times is better, but Im still feeling shorted somehow. those first two wins were huge! )
It looks like you won the first two rounds, and by BIG margins, but I won the next 5 rounds, although by smaller margins.
What if we add in another math element and look at grams/day/sq ft and gm/day/cuft.
you 4082/76/81 = 0.66 gm/day/sqfy
me 763/96/7.36 = 1.08 gm/da/sqft
If we add in vertical height:
you 4082/76/567 = 0.095 gm/day/cuft
Me 763/96/28.6 = 0.278 gm/day/cuft
How about gm/day/plant (this is one of my favorites)
You 4082/76/36 = 1.49 gm/day/plant
me 763/96/3 = 2.65 gm/day/plant
Some complicating factors:
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My plants were autos, yours were photo period, but mine took longer to harvest?
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I had an advantage with my small space because I could more easily use every inch vrs your larger space probably needed more wasted space for access, etc. You probably were not as motivated to crowd as I was.
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You had a lot more plants, which again means more lost space for each plant.
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Obviously comparing grams per watt and/or gm/light fixture is totally ridiculous.
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Comparing total grow volume is also meaning less. What if my tent had been 8 ft tall and your room had been 6 ft tall? The yield for both of us would not have changed one gram, but âthe numbersâ would change a lot. Maybe if we only compared canopy height it might make more sense.
What about the green thumb aspect? Which one of us is the better gardener in general, and is that in the math somewhere? How about nutes, bugs, hydro vrs soil, vrs???
I was sure I had three more points to make, but Im in too much pain and too stoned. If it wasnt for spell chuck, this would have been unreadable
Oh, now I remember - I think - so who has the bigger one?
P.S. Just because the metric that is my personal favorite happens to be one of the ones I won, had no impact on my choice
remember I am talking dried weight of saleable bud only( I dont sell my bud its only a term ) ⌠dried to 58% Bovida humidity⌠no trim, no larf⌠no small budsâŚonly primo nuggetsâŚ
Ah ha! Thanks for reminding me - that should be #6 on the complicating factors. How many people actually measure âBovita humidityâ? I sure dont.
And this should be #7 How many people trim that close? Again, I sure dont. If it has frost, I keep it. Big bud, small bud, leaf, I dont care as long as it has frost.
Oh crap. That makes all your big wins even bigger and all my small wins even smaller! Thanks for helping make my point.
Ive mostly been concentrating on the watts and light fixture side of things, but as @ReikoX pointed out above, and your post illustrates perfectly - we cant even compare grams by themselves with any degree of accuracy.
Trying to say if you won or I won - no matter which metric we choose - is like apples and porcupines.
I am a long retired commercial grower with nearly 30 years of hands on experienceâŚso when I evaluate weight of a crop I canât help but view it from a commercial standpoint⌠So fr me the product has to be dried well enough to be shelf stable.So if I pull a 9lb crop I am pulling 9 lbs or fully dried primo nuggets, and likely have another 2-3 lbs or premium crystal covered leftovers that are not included in the weights⌠I will end up making bubble hash from all that and use for Rosin or ediblesâŚMy end goal is to produce 200 oz of bud in the same room and timeline with just over 2000 watts of draw
I think you are forgetting one important metric canopy space per plant this is a large part of the reason nitros individual plants are producing smaller per plant returns also as you said your using different plants to many variables which is why most here donât get in the dick measuring contests âŚonly way to do would be a side by side grow with exact everything
Both of your grows look great though
Why do people keep endlessly harping on this? We understand that grams/watt isnât a perfect standard and why itâs just an easy way to compare things. I know the science here is SUPER COMPLEX and grams/day/sq ft/lumen/moon phase would be superior, but g/w still works for general discussion.
Back in the day you had a 400, 600 or thousand watt light. If you got 3 oz from it and I got 1 I can tell I have room to improve. I donât really care how many days you vegged, how many square feet are in your space, or how many cfm your fans produce, itâs just a basic benchmark.
If someone tells you their car has 400 horsepower do you go âactually horsepower is a very inaccurate measure of power, is that at the flywheel or at the motor? What temperature were the tests done at? What color is the paint?â?
Is it possible to discuss literally anything on the internet anymore without getting bogged down in unnecessary semantics and people looking to one up you with some intellectually hollow, pedantic argument?
Also this:
âYield = 763 gmâ
Has changed like 7 times in the last couple weeks. At least itâs down from your original number of 3 KILOS which is absolutely absurd. Didnât you say somewhere this is wet weight, or includes leaves or something? Literally everyone everywhere knows yield numbers are for bud you can smokeâŚ
Rant over lol
I didnât even realize the was a dick measuring contest LOL âŚI guess I should stop and read more LOLâŚI just figured we were discussing the ways to measure a crops productivity⌠grams per watts is always good for judging a flower rooms efficiency from a commercial standpoint
AHEM I like to measure my crops success by the weight of the root balls.
When i measure it i stand sideways in front of the mirrorâŚ
JoeCrowe, I thought you measured your success by the amount of hash your harvest produces.
Just some random thoughts on grams per watt. This metric was developed by cash coopers. They were all monicropping the same, high yielding strains, using the same 3-part nutrients, over the same 4x4 hydro trays. The only thing that differed was the lights over the trays. Some like 1000W, some preferred multiple 600s overlapping. My point being, size of the room, the cultivars used, same nutrients, same lighting technology, etc.
Honestly, if you are only comparing with yourself, grams is the only metric that matters.
âThis metric was developed by cash coopersâ
This is definitely true.
âThey were all monicropping the same, high yielding strains, using the same 3-part nutrients, over the same 4x4 hydro trays.â
Definitely not. In fact the standard question of âhow many pounds per light?â would often lead to people trying new systems/nutrients etc to try and reproduce someone elseâs results.
Itâs a good easy metric because it shouldnât really matter how many plants you have under a light it should produce around the same regardless if everything is in proper order. One monster plant under a 1000w should produce the same as 100 SOG cuttings if everything is dialed in properly.