The question was about 300 - 450 grams with a measurement of SQ Ft not per meter squared.
If you can easily achieve 300 to 450 grams per square foot that’s 7.11 to 10.66 pounds per meter squared. I’d love to see your grow of journal of this! What lights are you running ? You must be getting 3.2 to 4.8 grams per watt with a 1000 watter per meter squared.
Lol 
Jokes
Let’s rewind a bit, first.
The article say than the standart of industry is 1 kilogrammer / sqm (in metrics). It’s just a total bullshit, that’s the average of the average EU guy selling nugs in the street. Generally in ghetto style and with the necessity to move the lab after each harvest. I mean, damned hell, you just have to go in any growshop here and ask them a setup for this. They will not watch you like an alien and in spain they generally rent the guys able to drive it in bonus ^^
Most of these little guys use cheap hps600. In SOG this extra cost (DE, 1K bulbs…) is stupid and here increase drastically the cost of the grammer. You don’t have any problematic of penetration because the plant’s heigth are generally close to the optimal range of high pressure (around 60 centimeters) in term of penetration. More lights density in this context will mostly complicate the grow than anything else if not paired with co².
Now 3 to 4 kilogrammer / sqm (in metric again) is something more compatible with an industrial scale and big money. I’ve never saw this achieved in homegrown context with my own eyes, and i’ve saw tons of different labs in my life.
That’s all, and if you don’t have enough experience to handle this information with all the datas i’ve shared (and specimens pics), it’s a matter of faith on which any further discussion will lead nowhere. I’ve personnaly nothing to sell you : you will never smoke my weed, you will never grow my seeds and i strictly don’t give a fuck to produce a bankable marketing. I’m not here for that, you took me for your little sister with the childish “pic or lie” strategy or what ?
My interest in this subject is the big fake hided behind the information of the article : 1kg/sqm (or 100gr/sqft if you prefer) is not an industrial standard. It’s more 2 times to 4 times this rate, like the Flowr company is communicating on … and than is obviously appearing like a fake instead the other ratio lmao Stoner’s logic i guess.
Actually, in my humbles tents than have nothing to sell or to promote, i achieve an average of 1.7/1.9 grammer per watt with neons, gnats and spider mite invasion. In killing specimens by dozens each round for selection. This ratio of stoners mean nothing for me. You can grow like a beast with fire weed and have a ratio below 2.0, it will not mean than you’re a bad grower. Same with the reverse, if you need an entire year to achieve a 2.0 … i will consider the first grower far more skilled than the second one lol
If i stop breeding a round and fill the 4*4 flo tent with 100 soda bottles containing a Jack Herer clone, you will see more than a kilogrammer easily made and under exactly 560 watts of neons lol. What i find very sad in this story, is than it appear like climbing the everest. I find a lot more difficult to achieve a kilogrammer with a single plant than with 100, i’m personnally not enough skilled to achieve this kind of baobab rightly outside a SCROG than is lating an entire season. Making the grammer of weed more expensive than in a dutch coffeeshop btw lol
But that’s not the data you will not believe, the data you will not believe is the grammer per day produced during the whole period, then the grammer per year than can produce this little 4x4.
And i don’t speak about the grammer/watt. In using 560W neons per 4*4, you will just ask to burn me in public place like an heretic i guess.
When you say neon, is that the same as fluorescents?
Lol more jokes
The article is written by someone that
A. Can’t do math
B. Doesn’t understand marijuana and how its grown
The article claims OrganiGram produces 230 grams a square foot. Then tells you they have 490000 sq ft of grow space and produce 110000kgs annually. So the 230 gram a SQ ft is square footage of grow space divided by annual production amount, not real per SQ ft numbers per harveat but yearly totals per SQ ft.
Knowing that they must have mother/cloning/vegging space all 490,000 sq ft couldn’t have been used for blooming nor do they only have one bloom cycle. On a three month cycle they pull 4 harvests from the bloom area thats 57.6 grams per SQ ft they at 490,000. If we set 100 000 as ft aside for mothers/clones/veg it works out to 72.34 grams per square foot per cycle. No where the homegrown standard of 100 grams per SQ ft or the industry standard of 300-450 grams a square foot you claim. The last industrial grower using lights claimed 2.5 lbs per 1000 watt over a 4x4 footprint. Which works out to 70.9 grams per square foot and it is closer to the OrangiGram figured I’ve come up with. So the industry standard being 2 to 4 times the articles stated numbers just doesn’t pan out.
Also I don’t doubt your numbers for your homegrown.
this was my first thought…depending on the height of the plant of course…perhaps at 25 feet tall. Bud rot air circulation with bud that thick in a vertical space you would have to greatly increse the height.
Otoh you have stuff like https://overgrow.com/t/the-led-hack-shack-and-other-tall-tales/12046/665
https://overgrow.com/uploads/default/optimized/3X/6/7/67a5be8495e6fafd27098b09a23f7540ca00f4ce_1_375x500.jpg
I suppose it would be possible to take that up a few more shelves and get there. Well a bunch of shelves…not sure if it would be practical or profitable.
A SOG would be the best way to go about it. In CO we have those pesky plant counts that make it more of a dance. Have to figure out the optimum veg time strain dependant, and then how tightly to squeeze them in there. I know that some of the newer state to legalize are basing their licensing on canopy size (make sense).
Got this pic before this was chopped today. In the end, this is what 80-90g a square foot looks like
Figures never lie and lairs never figure…experience says
possible but not likely unless they know something we don’t know some mutant alien strain
I just read you clarifications on the article, and it is more inline with reality. Everywhere I have worked runs on a 60 day schedule. It doesnt matter what you are growing, they get 60 days of flower. The main reason behind this is being able to claim to your investors 6 harvest a year, with 1 day to clean and flip the plants. Also, Colorado requires all flower to be either sold or processed within 60 days of harvest. The goal is to get the product out to stores within 14 days of it being chopped.
Dried, tested, cured and packaged in 14 days?
yup. get some Dehueys going in the dry room, along with an Ozone machine to kill any microbial hazards. Then maybe 10 days in buckets or bins. Trim and out the door.
sad
They only get 60 days and sold in 14 days from harvest thats shocking and gross.
and this is why you should grow your own
@GrowHard And this is why I never buy weed in this state. Opened a couple dispensaries in the early days and all investors want quick return on capital. The best genetics grown with a shitload of pesticides and eagle 20 that’s picked at 60 days ultimately doesn’t serve the cannabis community at all.
I struggle smoking weed I haven’t loved till death…i cant work with anyone who doesn’t care for plants animals and people! If you cant make their lives better…leave them alone! If you need money that bad…rob a bank that’s where the money is.
You got to add lead to the diet for weight like that. Idk i call bs on all these 20+ oz 4x4s.
This should answer it all. Take a cubic foot. Try to fit 2lbs dry in it without compressing. That alone proves em full of chit.
More common example try fitting a pound in a half gallon mason jar. Thats close to what would have to be done. And living n breathing this tight. Now 2 lbs soaking wet buds with the pots still attached . Maybe.
We were fighting hard together with Palindrome on the SOG concept (as we are used to do : we punch hardly then we share a beer after). But never on the yield or how to drive this kind of production. I consider SOG as plants (seeds or clones) with strictly zero vegetative state, Palindrome is considering SOG with none to a couple of weeks of veg. This method of production is so old than we can only fight on stupid tiny details and the philosophy around to stimulate our inspiration.
Now that’s around a little more than 20 clones (X3) in less than a square meter (not counted, quick visual evaluation). In term of productivity it’s not hard evaluate, even if the strain look not appropriated (not enough stretch, a bit leafy). He’s growing what he like mostly, not specially something to fill containers of weed to sell.
Profitable : that’s the main goal of this strategy, being on the best deltas possible. You win bucks everywhere : grammer/day, nutes : a sog clone don’t eat the same than a “tree” mode and the difference is big, it flower faster, harvest is very quickly trimmed … the list is long due to the specific calibration of the plant. But in term of marketing/instagram etc … that’s the worst case and the less photogenic show you can do to catch stoners.
The guy than is telling me than it’s sexy and worth to be shown in a catalog, i will just not believe him if he’s not breeding like a fool lol On the other side of the mirror, you set a HPS in a corner to make the marketing with recycled motherplants and show more things like that :
It’s strictly the same plant, but stoners will consider only the second case as proof of quality and hard work.
Practical : it can be an hell if you start from scratch, in discovering the constraints on the fly. Documentation is necessary to avoid all errors and to plan the right setup for it. I like to say than the most long in SOG, is to draw and to refine the setup (even if you’re used). Everything else is how you are planning your automation mostly but also the big motherplants required to feed a perpetual flo eating by batch of numerous clone, at a time. Personnally, i think than the most difficult step is to choose the right strain.
The sequence of the strain must contain a bankable stretch to compensate the absence of veg (if you’re from my clan) or to boost bit the extra bonus (if you’re from the clan of Palindrome).
You should avoid also all fluffy buds if the yield is top priority, you will lost in dried stats what you gain in term of productivity. So, Rockbud (soma) : Yes. Neville’s haze (Mnice): No.
Then you have bastard cases like the (old) Chronic. Nugs are like little rocks, but the plant don’t handle the SOG in term of productivity (except if you’re from the clan of palindrome, twos weeks of veg is enough to make something decent with it).
Yeah in fact the bigger difficulty for a SOG is to set it the right way, considering the whole equation.
I generally push “newcomers” with a light experience in grow to simply overgrow theyr flo space with 12/12 from seeds with medium of less than one gallon. Over it’s a waste of space, and SOG being in its comfort zone in hydro due to the increased density it offer. It’s more easy than clones (no planning, no turn over of mothers, no cloning process etc …), the inherent dynamic of seeds make it more easy. And it’s perfect to sensibilize to this technic without all the headaches behind.
For people with more lineage, there is no major difficulty. They generally master the cloning process and mothers management. The trap will mostly be the rhythm and to reach the same level of quality than with a classic grow the first rounds. The decrease in term of nutes use is pretty high and there is no official chart generally for this kind of method.
It exist a real polemic “online” between the “tree lovers” and the “lollipop lovers”, considering only people mastering the twos technics : the inherent quality of the weed expressed. The polemic always end fast around a table and a bunch of clone, but it’s unfair to don’t mention it.
The tree clan (extremists) : the plant have to be maturated in veg to give it’s full expression in flo stage.
The lollipop clan (extremists) : the plant just don’t give a fuck and you can enter in cup with a SOG weed.
Both are right ^^ Just because they generally always forget the genetic factor in their fights, so the right choose for the right use.
It’s always dangerous to be so absolute, giving the flank to all details you’re not furnishing in your consideration. That’s by example not something incredible for a long SCROG of Jack Herer, cost per grammer put aside.
I’ve to get back the crop in its feets, make a hole in the breeding plan and to plan something on the subject for a round. I start just now to understand than behind some gross approaches, there is a real need to watch and understand how it can work outside the subject of this thread : in homegrown context, without industrial constraints and money.
I’ve to stop to harvest each week for that and to change the whole rhythm of the crop. Not magic. I will try to do it during a veg-selection but tons of seeds to do before. I will see, i will maybe pollinate a Jack just for it with an american blend to make it more “familiar” and readable. To be continued by i keep it in mind.
Dried, tested, cured and packaged in 14 days?
One time you test that :
You never go back for tons of reasons : terpens, speed, bag appeal, potency … all in one.
Yes sorry, we call them just “neon” here : T5, T8, horticultural CFLs … it stay the same tech, a common “neon” tubes with ballast. I’ve used a lot T8 in past when HPS was like buying a ferrari, my return to neons later (early 2000) come from this experience.
So in a way i grow like the very first hours of indoor spaces ^^ There is no yield consideration behind or electric costs, just a matter of taste and habits. But it stay a good argument to demonstrate than a method can compensate the tech, more than the reverse.
I’m thinking SOG w/ Royal Gold Tupur and Megacrop in one gallon smart pots. Like Jellypowered did in this one
https://overgrow.com/t/ledseedz-testing-grass-monkey-f2-monkey/8301/13
thanks for sharing your thoughts
is that a trimmer on the photo?
what is a good cash crop strain for sog?
pls have quickly a look at my new clones for SOG and tell me if I need to free my clones from side branching now? (link for my thread below)
Thank you very much!
I’m also wondering what that silver thing in the pic is…some sort of drying chamber?
