Don’t worry about the leaves, they won’t turn luscious green again. Look at new growth, which may take a day or two to be noticeable.
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That’s what I’m basing it on, the new growth, but I think I need to pay much closer attention to the details. Some things show on middle aged and older stuff first apparently, so if I’m not keeping a close eye, which I prob haven’t enough, I may not realize if that middle aged stuff is the same spots or developing more you know?
The new new seems spot free for the most part but could maybe be a bit more green altho don’t they start out a bit yellow normally anyway?
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Day 39 Veg - Monday
Well, that went by quick, didn’t realize it had been this long since an update.
Not too much has happened besides a lil adjustments of training, and gave them a non aerated tea of 2:1 composted chicken manure to EWC+(O. A. Premium if you forgot)… not sure if it has helped much or maybe the previous humic/aminos, probably along with no more floods lol but they seem to be doing fairly well:
Made a worm bin that has been both good (mycelium growth) and bad (I need to redo it, bottom mesh came dislodged):
Besides that, doing some cleanup and organizing, and have the foam cut and painted for the next box but I am contemplating designs (vent holes etc) and thinking about whether I should draw something up and get your guys opinion or not, cause man this veg is goin longer than I figured lol
(I think/hope it will be ok tho 
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Still waiting for that water soluble calcium to finish up! That and the humic/aminos, the O.A. TR will be what’s coming next as I flip.
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Day 41 Veg - Wednesday
Just a tab bit to report, gave some more humic and aminos although some tips might just be starting to get burnt which to me is interesting cause they’re not super super green, so I assume something else is going on.
I also decided to pull the trigger on the water solube calcium. It would still bubble a tiny bit when jiggled but I couldn’t wait any longer 
, so I gave them a bit of that at about 2ml to 400ml water, which is about five times stronger than the 1:1000 recommended ratio lol I think they needed it bad, we’ll see how that goes( Leighton Morrison talked about doing something similar and the plants liked it so who knows 
), def chasing my tail here. Prob got a lil overwatered between those two feedings and how moist they were to start with 
Interestingly, at least one of the pots has a decent amount of roots coming out the side near the bottom, (they also have a decent amount coming out the bottom as well) so I assume it’s generally being kept pretty moist all the time:
Besides that, made a nice viewing window:
Also spent a pretty penny at the Depot and got some of my ducting already hooked up for the next boxes.
They’ll be with legit “4 fans and intakes from a filter dehu box.
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Finally, one thing I’ve noticed lately is a weird not so great smell that I can’t put my finger on (might have to smell each plant), but I’m wondering if one of the worms I put in a ways back into these pots might have died and if that would cause a smell? Anyone have any experience with that?
Oh yeah and raised the lights almost to the top (just below the top fan) just for viewing purposes with that new window, so had to dim up the light a tad to get similar ppfd previously.
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Does it smell like something died a couple weeks ago and is now decomposing?
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What’re you getting at? Are you thinking that maybe it’s just the plants? If I remember correctly, at least one of these plants is some kind of Skunk. Could just be the plants. I really doubt it’s the smell of a couple dead worms, anyway.
I’ve also noticed, @GnomeyByNature that you’re completely ignoring everybody’s advice to LITFA haha. That’s cool. Do your thing.
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@minitiger No, I’m not saying the plants smell like this, they smell great every time I touch them and smell my fingers.
I don’t know if what I’m smelling is basically just manure (the bag smells like ammonia, but this almost smells like a mix of cheese and someone dropping a load 
) and I don’t know exactly when it started. I want to say some time after I top dressed but maybe before I did the tea?
I wish I could LITFA, but for one, I think smaller pots eventually you can’t LITFA as much and two, I have been trying to correct problems (I know some people will LITFA to try and correct, I just didn’t feel that was going to work here ). For some reason the UKs seem to be doing better so I wonder if this is a finicky strain deal as both blue berries have been the most effected, followed by the skunk.
The couple floods I had weren’t helping anyone either unfortunately. I feel like they were the last thing I needed since finding a balance between the constant moisture of the cap mat and feeding via soil drench it seems is a lil tricky as well not to overwater.
@JoeCrowe wish I noted when I started to notice the smell exactly. It might be possibly fading. I also am not entirely sure what that would smell like.
Does anybody with LABS experience know if the smell from that evolves?
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That’s not good. Don’t use it again.
I JUST watched the first fifteen minutes or so of an interview with Mountain Organics, Coot, Leighton Morrison and others and one of the things that Mountain said was back when he was adding a bunch of shit to his soil, he never knew what it was that was working and what wasn’t working. Because he added so much shit. You’re fucking with your plants/soil too much. If you don’t know what’s going on, we won’t know either and can’t help you.
Yes, smaller pots will need more inputs, probably. Eventually. But not at 20, 25, 35, 40 days of veg. You haven’t even flipped yet. You’re fine. Leave It The Fuck Alone. Seriously, every time you post, you’ve done something else. I’m pretty sure you’ve mentioned that you’ve given them humic acid multiple times already? That’s way too much in those one gallon pots, this early on. Just give them water for a couple weeks and see what happens.
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I def want to watch that episode… the only reason I’m even using a manure is cause of Leighton in one of his soil horizon videos lol else I prob wouldn’t have even gone there. Will def lay off at least that, I didn’t have a great feeling about it smelling like that altho I know it is a form of nitrogen so wasn’t exactly sure.
The reason I was doing the humic so often was cause of IG KNF_Garden (pretty amazing looking plants as far as I know) and that is some what his protocol altho his has bigger pots, he feeds that maybe one to two times a week I believe. Besides that, when I did switch to my 90% humic that is 100% water soluble (his recommendation) and the soy aminos VS a similar yet weaker humic and nitrogen input from O.A., they seemed to have started to recover…
Also, I just checked the box/tent more consciously and yeah I think it is the manure and also the smell is fading for sure.
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Day 53 Veg 
- Monday
Oh man, it’s been a long time coming to post an update, and no my flower box is still not ready lol
I think my plants have been stunted at times or maybe it’s because of the smaller 1 gal half filled pots, but I guess that’s sort of worked out to my advantage in a couple ways.
- They may not overgrow the space before it’s ready and
- It’s allowed me to maybe get them in better shape before going into flower.
I don’t remember the exact times, or exactly what I’ve done unfortunately but maybe a week or so ago, gave them some of what I decided to feed the clones (which are rooted and should have also been transitioned by now lol) which consisted of ohn, aloe, kelp, humic and aminos… some time later, I gave them some fermented comfrey… and today I gave them some more humic and aminos, as well as some granular 0-5-5 and some dry soluble 4-5-5 (both from O.A.)…
They have also been drying out some as I have turned down the dial on the cap mats and I think this may have been my biggest issue, them being over watered.
Now with that being said, the Blueberries both(two different soil mixes) took the conditions the worst, then the super skunk, and the UKs both have actually been doing fairly decent I think actually.
I also slightly turned up the temp (to approx 82F) and humidity (but the ranges fluctuate more now, which I have something else to try, 63-72% unless just fed then it’s 68-72%).
Now, one thing that was a surprise I found today were some creatures under the pots of both blueberry plants (I don’t think I saw them under the others, but I may have missed it)… I wiped them with isopropyl and sprayed the bottom of the pots with enzymes.
What I’m wondering is if these are beneficial or if maybe these are some baddies that may be contributing to those blueberries struggling?
https://youtube.com/shorts/oy4tfOaDXYg?feature=share
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not sure why this won’t embed 
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Have had to strip some leaves off the blueberries and took some of the lst ties off and decided to top the UK in the middle that I tried and failed to FIM earlier. Also, just today thought to pull some of the mulch to the edge of the pots to let them hopefully breath a lil better, but the top is quite compacted it seems from the top dressed EWC.
Really, really hoping I can get the flower box going shortly, some of the wiring, ducting and foam prices are already cut/done:
If you look close in one of those holes you can see some roots.
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You think you could get a single photo of one of those bugs?
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Lemme stop you there… why do you have to? Are the plants screaming and crying until you feed them? You aren’t letting yourself leave them be.
Which is cool, you do you. Just in everyone’s experience ever, seedlings and young plants don’t need a lot of food. The small pot has nothing to do with that, the pot is a buffer. Let it start to show signs of running out before you worry they’re starving.
Looking good though. If they’re alive you’re doing fine.
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Well I think I might have to get a macro lens or something, I’m sure they’re not gone but might have to wait a few days for them to reproduce a bit.
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Are you taking about the clones or the overly long Veg plants?
If it’s the Veg plants, man, I can’t really be definite about anything with those with the two floods/overwaterings, but they have def been showings signs…
I tried a few things also so not entirely sure what has worked but I do feel like I may be reeling them back in… could just be cause they are drying up a bit, or maybe it’s the feeding thats been helping them some…
You say it’s not the pot size as that is just a buffer, but how do you know when that buffer runs out? Plant signs? Well I’ve had plenty of those lol
And yeah, now another potential factor of pests, aren’t there some like russets mites or aphids that are in the soil that can be bad? Hope I don’t have those and that these are beneficial like predator mites or something, I mean it is supposed to be a living soil hehe 
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Yes, that’s where it gets complicated. In my short experience anyways. I found at some point I gave up a bit, and started working with the plants, not making them do what I wanted, you know? They only grow so fast, and when they show signs of nutrient imbalance it’s slow.
What are you using for IPM? Living soil can mean beneficial bugs, but I’d guess only if you put them there. I thought I had bugs my fist grow- turns out I was just overwatering. Cause everything is tied. Give too much water, they get force fed nutrients.
Sorry to give you a hard time, just in my very similar experience they prefer to be left alone at the middle stages. Once they root essentially, until they really start drinking and you’ll have to water/feed constantly in those little pots. I have 8 seedlings right now in 1 gal fabric pots., 4 are in just a base soil mix with only a bit of EWC. The ones that have a full load of nutrients in show no difference in vigor. But they’re only a few months old. In a month or so I’ll have to up pot or start feeding it beyond my water only regime.
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Yeah, I start my seeds in those little three-inch “starter pots” or whatever you wanna call them, in the same soil mix I use for everything (Coot’s). It takes about four weeks for them to be ready to transplant and they get nothing but water for those four weeks. Once they’re transplanted into the half-gallon veg pots, I’ll top dress with a half-teaspoon of MBP, kelp and neem and water that in with OG Biowar. No real reason for the top dress, I just do it.
It takes about fifteen days for them to then to be ready to transplant to the seven-gallon pots. During those fifteen days, I mayyyybe might water with a little aloe or coconut or fulvic. Maybe. If I remember. This run, I’m actually trying to do a little more than last grow (when I did virtually nothing), so I’ve watered with all three of the aloe, coconut and fulvic. But I’ve spaced it out. I think I did the aloe and fulvic two days after transplant and then the coconut six days later. But that’ll be it until they get up-potted next week. And even after they’re up-potted, they won’t be getting very much else except water.
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Are you saying you’re around 12 week Veg in one gallon pots?!
Yeah, overwatering sucks, my cap mat setup isn’t ideal, where if it is dialed up to high, I won’t see it for a few hours maybe as it is slightly elevated in this tray I have it in.
@minitiger so you go a couple weeks in a one gallon and then up pot to a seven gallon? If you were at around a 7+ week Veg stage in a one gallon, how often do you think you’d be feeding?
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These are all around 8 weeks, in one gallon of base soil their whole life. At this point they could be up potted or not, they’ve got some time in these before they run out of food. I did have some in solo cups that I transplanted into some mixed up super soil, they also haven’t filled out the one gallon yet. That white stuff is a bonemeal top dress, the first thing I’ve given other than water and light.
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8 weeks from seed or the first Veg leaves?
It seems you’re actually kind of close to me timing wise potentially but mine seem a bit further along and that at what I feel like is stunted growth so I’m kind of confused by your timing I guess lol
When did you plant your seeds?
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8 weeks from seed drop. As to the amount of growth, could be my colder, dryer grow room. I don’t at all have it dialed in well. I also have the light backed way off.
Could be I’m not pushing their feeding, and so there’s no explosive growth. My setup isn’t ideal yet in short, lol.
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