Colombia doesn’t have the right climate for hemp cultivation, only Chile does in South America.
The article in the 1979 HT magazine was an interview with someone from a legalization organisation in Colombia.
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Colombia grows a lot of sativas hemp is what the English called drug variety’s of sativa.
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The Hippies didn’t go to Colombia, but Colombian weed came to the States…
For the rest I agree with you…
PS beautiful plants! I love thai haze
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There’s also the possibility of South Indian genetics in Haze. There are many references to that being part of the mix.
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Anything “haze” i’ve had here in cali has been hella weak.
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It is my personal opinion that there were more than 4 varieties in the mix, of which Thai and Lumbo dominated…
Just my point of view.
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From Rubins Cannabis and Culture 1980, Cannabis and Cultural Groups in a a Colombian Municipio by Partridge:
The introduction of cannabis into Spanish South America is not well known. Patiño (1967, 1969) indicates that hemp was introduced not once but several times by the Spanish: experiments were attempted in Peru, Mexico, Chile, and Colombia, but only Chile devoted the capacity to export hemp to Spain (Patiño 1969). In Colombia reports from 1607, 1610, 1632, and 1789 indicate that repeated introductions failed to produce a hemp industry for the rigging of the Spanish fleet (Ibid.). Silvestre (Vergara y Velasca 1901) in his 1789 description of the viceroyalty of Santafé de Bogotà indicates that hemp was introduced in the savanna of Bogotá, but failed so completely that no seed was available for further experimentation. He urged the reintroduction of hemp cultivation near Santa Marta or Cartagena and urged that seed be shipped from Spain (Vergara y Velasca 1901).
The deeper down the rabbit hole, the more I want to know. Where would Spain have been sourcing their seed from around that time? A lot of variables to consider, they aren’t necessarily air shopping them in bubble mailer’s.
The book suggests the first introduction of drug type cannabis into Colombia for intoxicant use seems most likely through neighboring contact with Brazil and their history with enslaved humans from West Africa. The book also mentions the infusion of laborors during the nearby work done at the Panama Canal as being a driver in the diffusion of drug type cannabis into the Colombian culture. The book adds layers of complexity to the diffusion of cannabis as a drug intoxicant in Colombia with mention of the large scale banana plantations and the subsequent socioeconomic impacts. Along with these banana plantations reportedly came Middle Eastern and Arab merchants opening up shops, restaurants, and brothels catering to the laboring workforce so there is likely a potential for genetic infusion of Middle Eastern genetics. There were also laborers from the West Indies on the banana plantations. At some point the banana plantation pulled out and drug type cannabis quickly became a cash crop that could fetch significantly more than other cash crops like coffee and many would make the bold switch in whatever capacity they could. Even to the point of large commercial farms setup specifically with the intent of exporting and fulfilling the increasing demand from the American market.
It would be awesome to find clarity on weather or not the Haze Bros went and collected personally or if the Colombian they were working with came to them as an import. Much love
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Colombia grows the tropical indicas correct? Go north you start to get into the Afghani/Paki types. Hemp isn’t that more for fiber and non-drug applications grown in the 30+ degree north and south? So why throw all these terms that are creating some ambiguity? @hempy Did you ever answer what the statement meant how males pass on traits to the female. Never found any meat in this statement; of course the male is going to pass on it genetics to the female so what is significant about that?
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Here’s an idea.
Yall could start a New Thread. Maybe call it the History and Mystery of Haze.
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Maybe a good definition of haze would be a good start, maybe that would take out some of the mystery? Is it all tropical or can it have some Paki/Afi in it? If so how much or am I getting something wrong here?
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The only appropriate definition is a poly-hybrid of purely tropical cultivars. From there the rest is pretty much hype, mystery, mythology, hope, dreams, and who all knows what else.
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I would like to add that you can’t cross another sativa into it and call it haze. Even though that’s how it was originally created. Those were probably extinct heirlooms that couldn’t be found today anyway.
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See this makes sense in that Haze is a tropical only type but here is the rub, where is the cuttoff? Some say 30 degrees and below ok; are there any exceptions to this? Lot of gray area and much misinformation due to the elicit nature of the plant and the personalities that helped produce these types. Muddy Waters!
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Does anyone know if there was “haze” going around before the Haze Bros came out with their Original Haze, or was it them along with Sam who coined the variety?
I read about the Original Haze posters or whatever they were, supposedly hung up at legit vendors spots so the customers would know it’s the genuine stuff. To me, what Original Haze by way of Sam and the Haze Bros is a brand and marketing strategy. Quite clever and pioneering in many ways. I wasn’t around so I don’t know, was there “haze” going around apart from that circle as well or was it just them? For example, does the Old Timers Haze come from the same stock or different?
I thought I read something about a commune. More and more I start to just think, what’s the most realistic chain of events across the variable scenarios. There’s definitely some branding to go along with Original Haze, as it should be. Provenance is important when trying to differentiate oneself in a market. What I’m interested in knowing more about is the history and etymology of the word haze as it relates to cannabis. Is there anything that anyone knows if that’s published before the Original Haze posters that were mentioned above? Much love
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You bring up some that I think is quite important to touch on. If selected in the early to mid 60’s or around there, that would have been some of the last reflections of traditional cannabis that has been selected by man for mellenia. Pre indoor horticultural lamps.
All the genetics that ended up there were likely cherished to some degree. Honed by a human touch for a given effect over the course of centuries. Without being preoccupied by our current lifestyle either, no TV, not many distractions. Some doing so while deprived of even the most basic needs. I speculate there were true masters of this craft back in the day and the turn of the century sort of shook things up with the 70’s being the last reflections of that ancient work man has been doing with cannabis for mellenia. Much love
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Poster and haze brothers are probably Sam’s creation…
Over the years I understood that there were different “hazes” around, as well as different “skunks”, Sam took his version, or that of his group, and put the adjective “original”…
I saw Bigherb make a crazy effort to understand the truth, the problem is that he had to rely on what Sam said (and which is in fact Sam’s truth).I don’t think “the authorized ones” had a recognition poster or anything else, it would be too dangerous for legal purposes, most likely the truth is simpler than a thousand fairy tales: there were groups of Hippies who met in groups, “brotherhoods”, and had access to higher quality herbs than the commercial average,given that at the time most of the ganjah had seeds, they kept the seeds of the best varieties to have a personal supply, in a limited circle; the rest seems like just stories to me, from the exaggerated prices to the fact that they passed the harvest to remove the seeds and all the rest…
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My question was it was used in teas or drinks, when was it being used in thc form or burnt to rid the acid side of it I mean. Indica = India so… tropical? Yes marketing and such good point!
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