Asian Neville plant from @MAHAKALA
I believe he used a Neville’s haze cut hit with Vietnamese Black male
Crazy vigorous
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I thought he was just another mouth until he broke down every trait I remembered when everyone else thought the x3-x5 trich and calyx emerald platinum/silver Trichs to the trunk was me exaggerating.
He nailed everything out of memory. almost everything except a few preferences maybe.
That doesn’t mean I’m hopping on his sailboat alone, but bottom line. He sacrificed a whole space that would have been profit through hells frozen over winter storm to GIVE away an increase.
He has a full array of freaky colors, but showed some of the best in that act. 
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You make some strong points and valid criticisms though I’d like to make mention of something I think important and quite relevant to these discussions. With respect to tropical climates, there are different types. Tropical savannah ecosystems for example are characterized by a distinct dry season which coincidentally happens to be the approximate categorization for both Oaxaca, Mexico and Da Lat, Vietnam among many other traditional drug cannabis producing regions. Many blessings and much love
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The Thai leaner in Dwight Diotta 's Outback haze selections. An outlier in the population. Very unique to the savory camphor and chicken soup hazes. Could never quite decide what the smell was or stop getting in there to try. Maybe something shared in a nice fennel or fresh north American chamomile flowers. Draping leaves, wild long pistils and truly unique old world trichomes. I think the one long thin leaf was another Nevil’s haze lean of Outback haze. Dwight’s Outback is definitely strait fire now that I reminisce.
I can only assume it was the '78 Thai coming out because it sure wasn’t anything in the many Nevil’s I have explored. Truly a unique gem in profile, but the effect was even more novel.
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Sacrificed is a strong word. When I inquired about adding some to the collection they were $250 for 100 count seed packs and that isn’t realistic for me currently. How many packs do you think he sold? Many blessings and much love
Edit to include my guess, I think he sold approximately 100 packs of seeds, at $250 each that’s 25 grand.
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By the way you haze heads, save some dough for my upcoming charity auction For the Brain Tumour Foundation of Canada here on OG in January if you can. I will have a nice selection of Haze hybrids from @MAHAKALA and @wallyduck and others… A5,C5,Mango,Toms Posi, Nevilles hybrids will be up for auction. In auctions past often for around 20-40 USD for a pack. As always all cash goes straight to the charity, I just need a receipt of your donation.
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Hahaha, well that would be a haul for sure. On the Bean Basement it was 100 for 100 I thought…I guess I never really considered how many he may have sold.
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Very cool💓
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$2 a seed for a small run that almost didn’t make it because of the snowstorm that collapsed green houses and knocked out electricity for days. Does meet the “sacrificed” term to me. Thankfully he’s didnt charge $10 a seed like most do, year round and make millions, like most. imo
I have some to send you I repro from same stock, free 99 for you only @Sbeanonnamellow , DM addy
Hapi haze growing
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All things considered. It was a righteous move in the haze saga. I differ in perspectives on breeding methods, processes and back alley Thai go-go dancers, but it was the right move for what it was. Inaccurate, diverse, unimproved, but most importantly. A widely dispersed abundant increase for others to develop and do the work.
There are a few things that create value. Among them. rarity and the measure of resources, time, energy, documenting and testing went into development. In this case that was all kept to near nothing and is now not rare in itself. However, some finds will be very rare and if that opportunity lands with someone who applies the resources and discipline to develop it then it will have very uncommon results for sure…and have greater inherent value as well.
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Very sad that in California you need to grow open polination of dutch Haze and that best work in the USA since the 1970s and after legalisation like Stoned guru said is ‘Dutch dispensary NL hybrid clone x Dutch dispensary Thai’.
I did never say THH is trash. The Lilliputian Hazes of the neophytes are trash. We grow THH since two decades, look the THH grows, read smoke reports, read Tom Hills old posts, don’t listen to neophytes propaganda channels and grow haze.
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We’ve all heard Tom Hill’s concept 1 in 20 / 5% but seriously where’s the proof?
He won’t even grow out his own seed ffs! Expects everyone else to do the hard work …
Also his breeding/ reproducing practices leave a lot to be desired …these are supposed to be long flowering Hazes … you just don’t flip them asap and make seed as fast as possible that brings about epigenetic changes in the seeds plus the freeze … these seeds should be free testers!
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The line is long for those who complain about Tom, take a ticket. I guess you haven’t went through the thread yet. No problem, Toms not around though.
Anywho, got any “haze” to show? "Demonstration beats conversation "
Hapi haze growing
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That’s a proper Haze I grew last season … NH f3
Also did OHz and THH repros from madmac.
Running SSSTN and Kununurra Sunshine this season.
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The difference between having to do things and wanting to. It’s what makes some men great and the rest just flies on the wall, buzzing around, shitting and puking on everything but never really going anywhere.
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That stem resin is pretty unique. Moroccan can have it, and I’ve seen a little on some Thai…
But nothing like Oaxaca gets. The year this Oaxaca is from( 1970) is close to when haze was made. It also has that Frankincense smell. Til I see something else comparable, Oaxaca gets my vote as the stem resin donor in Haze.
Here’s a bit on a Thai plant
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Oaxaca has extremely variable climate zones. I read that forty percent of the species That call central america home, find their home in Oaxaca. There are pine forests, Tropical rainforests, High mountain alpine zones, Savannah and everything in between. I’d be shocked if there weren’t at least half a dozen different Oaxaca landraces.
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Glad to read this maddening thread. Went through a couple thousand posts or so, and, well, it’s a haze thread alright. 
Been smoking haze since '98 as 98% of my cannabis intake, but more on that later. Happy to see all the work being done to push it forward and share knowledge and efforts. I was fortunate enough to try something in the neighborhood of 30-40 hazes in the last couple years. Would’ve been unthinkable in my youth. Will be sharing flower pics and janky smoke reports as I can.
Haze speculation can be valuable, and the history is a mystery all too alluring, but I’d love to hear more input from the longtime haze growers on the minutiae of haze tending. What has the relationship with the lineage taught you? There’s so much experience and knowledge in a group like this…
On THH, some folks are doing good hunts of the work now. Semperfr0sty on IG ran a hunt that ended up with 28 ladies and found these gems.
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F**kin right it is! Look at that beauty! Very nice. I envy your setup. Nice!
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That’s gorgeous:heart_eyes:. Beautiful form to that bud. I can picture those trichomes melting with the flame…
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