BIG FACTS HEMPY ! Wish I knew where to find the viney, string of pearl 24 weekers!!
Boycott the fake 14 weekers
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I know you donāt like to even talks about OTH as a part of the haze legacy, Hempyā¦and thatās fine. But it is truly wispy, 20+ week lumbo thatās a lot closer to true original haze then most haze type crosses today. I donāt think you can even dispute that. Iāve grown a fair lot and tried it indoors (less than ideal and truly pearly type results). It does great outdoors here in SoCal. Iāll put up photos periodically here. Yes, itās not haze touched by Sam and Nevilleā¦but still much closer to the old school growth and effects I think you are referencing. Those 50/50 hazes you post pictures of sure look spindly haze. I often wonder how they would look outdoors in your OZ sunshine. Dreams.
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Iām not so sure Old Timerās doesnāt have Indian genetics in itā¦
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OTH x A5 Haze last year
These finished early December if I recall. If A5 is NL5 x Haze and OTH has no haze in it, then this represents a 25% haze type.
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Iām not the only one that thinks it, UHN even OT1 said his line is not Haze.
The thing that bugs me the most about the OT1 sativa line is the person that managed to preserve it and then passed it out for free being WolfMan never seems to get a mention or given any credit for his work and time.
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I found them in my Nevils Haze but apparently going by people like Maha this is not Haze, itās norther lights 5 lol.
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Hey Hempy, Iām happy to throw mad props towards OT and Wolfman any day. dubi and Ace have opened the doors for me to explore those genetics, and I thank them too. I do believe that the similarities between OH, OTH and THH in certain characteristics canāt be denied and that thereās way more to the tale then any of us knowā¦but that just opinionated speculation based on the fact that Iāve grown all three lines. Iād grow NH, but Iād prefer to get hands on older genetics ad I donāt trust what Iāve seen from new stock.
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I think respecting the origins while acknowledging the nature of colloquialisms and their roll in the evolution of language is a fair balance.
People should know what is behind the terms they use to better understand why it is used.
Iām 29. I donāt know shit about fuck, but I love the passion behind these arguments.
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OT1 grew Posi Haze did you know that ? If you ever went to Vic Highās old forum you would have read that, that was one of his favourite lines. Itās all there in the BC forum archives if any ones interested in looking.
I was offered the OT1 line from Wolfman at the same time 10 others were that included Dubi I wanted no part of it in the Mr Nice Forum at Cannabis World.
OT1 didnāt call his line Haze, WolfMan named it Haze and to be honest it may be a great line but if it didnāt come from Sam then it canāt be Haze mate itās that simple.
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Yeah, well I will call it OTH because thatās what itās known as these days. Iām not going to call it Old Timers ānotā haze 
. People can make of it what they will. I find similar growth habits and definitely aromas and effects, so thereās something to it. Agree to disagree and Iām fine with that. Please remember that āhazeā as a term was being used in Southern California before and likely after Samā¦He should have called it Samās Haze 
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By the way, Iāve read tons of shit on these forums, but nothing from Vic High or BC forums. Is there a link?
BC forum was Vic Highās old forum, it closed a long time ago, if you run a search you will find the archives, and you just need to dig and read to find the info youāre wanting.
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Iāve read a lot of copied posts from OT1. Iāll dig if I have the time. What I do recall is him stating the seed lines were NOT the same BUT they could have been from early day field scale genetics that share similar pre-cursors. Since my experience shows similarities, thatās what I tend to believe.
No beef with you Hempy and I think in years of posting on these forums Iāve been fairly respectful of youā¦and you of me. Whether thatās from IC as Ur Humbl Nr8torā¦or here as UHN or whereverā¦ letās keep it that way even if our opinions diverge now and again. Stay safe dude.
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Double post
Itās not personal mate, I just feel the facts matter and a linesā history / heritage is important, Itās what identifies it from every other line.
I donāt think calling every line of similar looks and quality a Haze would be beneficial to anyone, lest of to the line its self.
Just because a line is a sativa, donāt make it a Haze.
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looks like a duck, quacks like a duck 
Sounds mallard enough to me
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Run a Poll and ask people what they think, I bet more think as I do about this topic.
So a Swazi or a Malawi or even an unknown Mexican is Haze by your definition of Haze then ?
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Canāt disagree or agree with you on this one, Hempy. One of those enigmas that no one is likely to ever solve to anyoneās satisfaction. I will make sure I am cognizant of the efforts of everyone involved over the years and the likelihood that we will never have an answer thatās satisfies us all. I will also keep calling OTH by its current name and we can say it is definitely not the same genetics as what Sam sold to Nevil back in the 80ās. I started smoking in 84, so did not smoke those original imports. Happy to admit and be clear about that. We smoked Mexican imports and corn field local grown genetics that came from Meigs county. Not a lot of chance to have smoked any real haze or Thai back in those midwestern US days.
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Well if you look through the BC archives you will find a post from OT1 giving away for free an unknown sativa line to anyone that wanted it, The seed was old and may not of germinated that line was taken by Wolfman and then Wolfman called it Haze OT1 did not call it Haze.
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love the NLD leaners - he aināt wrong tho, that it is an NL5 haze hybrid
any idea where to find the old 20 week o haze seed? seems like toddās has some skunk in it.
never heard of wolfman, thanks for the backstory relating to OT - only heard of dubi getting involved and offering it commercially
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