Advanced breeding question

Totally cool, and you know your garden best. One thing to note though:

This is not true, with a filial cross two distinct assortments of alleles are combined, but selfing combines two identical combinations, and thus in a single generation you can get to the equivalent of several (3-4, maybe, don’t recall the exact number), WELL-SELECTED filial generations.

Great thread, keep us posted on the progress!

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Can you explain what makes the melon lifesaver so unique, or 1/350? What filial generation did you find it at? F2 I would guess? F3 maybe? Is it a unique terpene profile?

My hat’s off to you sir. There’s no way in heck I would think of trying the same feat. I know I’m not that talented. I do have very low relative humidity but that doesn’t stop the Pur Pur. That’s one insane plant. My mutants are too varied to be able to do high numbers in small spaces. Sounds like a nightmare that I don’t need lol. Really cool that you have pulled it off though. Do you have any threads you can drop so I can see? :slight_smile:

@Vesti - Touche. You’re right about the identical combinations. I was speaking in the sense that the alleles get distributed in a way where mutants show up in the same frequency. I can self F1 females, or I can take them to F2. The resulting seeds will have the same outcome (25% mutant, 75% non-mutant).

My argument is that it’s 100x easier to use an F1 male than it is to buy products for selfing and make some seeds that way. No matter what I read I can’t comprehend the purpose of selfing as compared to breeding with males. The only purpose for selfing in my eyes is trying to explore a very rare pheno, like the aforementioned melon lifesaver. In every other situation it seems better to me to just breed with males and do selections. I likely need to do a lot more reading…

Thanks for correcting me politely.

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Generally the lifesaver line is plenty fast flowering, this melon one need 80+ days.
Ls being a cross of (jacks cleaner x blueberry) x bog bubble, most are grape/hash with some being throwbacks to blueberry or jacks cleaner lemon.

When I grew a good batch outdoors i found a few I called tropical, a mix of fruits thats hard to pinpoint, mango x pear maybe?

Then i grew another batch and found this melon one. Early on i was really happy about the cantalope smell, and got crazy when I found out she took forever to flower.

I started looking around the lifesaver threads and found a single mention of a cantalope lifesaver from 2004 that took 100 days to finish.

So this is an F1 cross? That’s very interesting to me. It sounds like a true outlier.

I guess we can call it an f1. the melon was found in the f2s.

Also worthy of note is the blueberry part came from samagartha seeds who f2’d a first release dj shorts blueberry.

They are magnificent.

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Definitely true, and reversing isn’t super difficult, but sometimes doesn’t work for whatever reason which would be time lost there for sure.

Very interested in seeing how this turns out!

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