Firstly I am sorry. Skip to 2nd paragraph for freakshow, but I gotta say this where a lot of people might read it. I had a drunken meltdown on this site about a year ago. Being a jerk on tons of threads especially one particular morning. The backstory is, I had a serious heart attack right before my 40th birthday. Total shocker. I didn’t take it well. I’ve always had serious issues with anxiety about mortality, and this freaked me out bad. Early in life my anxiety turned to depression turned to alcoholism and a couple years of homelessness. I picked myself up and worked hard. Got a truck and a promotion. Kept at it, and put a down payment on a house. Then the heart attack. So I went back to my crutch harder than ever. Probably not a good idea, but that’s how I always handled my problems. I went to a very dark place mentally. I lashed out at everybody in real life and online. I haven’t had a drink in many months and have no intention of going back. I have gotten married, and aside from continuing poor health, I’ve never been happier. I thought about making an apology thread right after, but thought that would come off as attention seeking. Thought about making a new account, but that seemed cowardly. Thought about joining another forum, but the other forums are lame in comparison. So I’ve mostly lurked here and kept quiet for the most part. Anyway, I am nothing like that in real life. Sorry @lemonadejoe personally and thank you for not perma banning me even if I deserved it. And sorry to everyone else who had to read my nonsense. You all deserve better.
Freakshow…
@lilmanbigplan did this first, so he gets the credit. He did a freakshow cross, and when he kept the freakiest looking F1s, they were all males. So he figured if thats 100% of the time, we have the potential to make hybrids that are sexable very young.
edit: I thought he used a male, but we both used female freakshows. After reading this I am not sure the same stuff will happen if you use freakshow pollen for the cross. At this point, using females is probably preferable. I will update this first post as more info becomes available.
So, I did the same with multileafXfreakshow, but kept all the plants. I can confirm that over 30 F1 plants with varying amounts of freakiness were all males without exception. I kept the stinkiest 4 that had a lotta freaky, and am now running the regular looking plants, which based on the numbers are likely all females. I’ll confirm in a week. I just didn’t want to wait because I can only imagine how many people screwed up and threw their females away already.
edit: I can now confirm that as expected, every single regular looking plant was female without exception
Freakshow also seems to have reduced calyx size, which resulted in seeds which were mostly not covered by the calyxes. Thats why the seeds are mostly white. Its not horrible, as the plant just makes a ton more of them. I think thats why freakshow pistols go every which way, and also why the male flowers are half naked. Which is also another piece of confirmation that I think male flowers shells and female calyxes are pretty much the same thing. Anyone know of a correlation between big calyx females and big flower male siblings? Anyway, maybe the odd calyx size/ratio in freakshow will allow us to renegotiate with the plants bud structure in a way that regular varieties will not. Or maybe its just stuck that way.
multileafXfreakshow F1 male with a couple little flowers coming out of the leaf.
half naked F1 flowers
I wish I had snapped a picture of the female freakshow holding half naked seeds. I have her sister in there to catch some pollen this round, so I’ll get one then.
Multileaf…
Actually its called Многолистка but multi-leaf or multi-sheet are the translations depending on the translator used. A “new to us” mutant from Donbass. The guy who released it over there got called out for being a compulsive lier who stole the variety and doesn’t even know what’s in it. Many suspect theres a lot of “wild game” in it which would explain why my 15,000+ seeds have a 5% germination rate. I messed this one up big time. I originally planned to do a pollen chuck in the closet and give the seeds away for free. Then that plan turned into me wanting to run the bigger room and sell them cheap to pay bills and expand my breeding operation. Unfortunately I am still learning, and I either misremembered or misread about the longevity of pollen. I saved equal amounts from 9 males but just stuck them in a drawer and it got super hot in here. I took the same amount of pollen from the unique male about a month later and mixed it in fresh, then pollenated with that. So he sired everybody. The good news is that of the 8 seeds out of 250 that sprouted(thats not even 5%), half of them look like him. Probably the males. The others were regular multileafs. So an abc like pheno can be pulled outta here easily now and replicated, but those plants grow much slower than the regular multileaf ones. Maybe multileaf and abc have a common ancestor, or one came from the other, or they are just coincidentally similar, I have no idea. There were some females with leaves like his here and there. I think that’s just the ultra wound up version of the same gene which doesn’t “break” into regular leaves then multileaves, but stays like abc. The grow turned into a horror show. New room, new lights, new nutes, only growing inside for a year, you name it, I screwed it up. Thrips, gnats, thrips again, powdery mildew. They hung tuff until the end when it got ugly. They stood tall with the mildew though. I had a pick a few mildew leaves a day for a week or 2, then they just kinda got over it. They get sad if you give to much nutes, which also lends to the wild game theory. I didn’t realize this was part of my problem so I never backed off much. Maybe that contributed to the bad germination rates in the seeds? The seeds I bought had good germination rate. But he had a germination disaster in 2015 and it took 2 years to fix. So maybe only certain parings work well. Just making guesses. Anyway, now I’m letting them dry longer, but don’t expect some huge change. They’ll probably sprout better with precracking, so we can still use them for breeding. I think I would rather work on crosses than trying to fix the thing as it is. I just want the leaf. They do have really fast budding, and mildew resistance. Most plants are almost smokable, but honestly, not quite. It needs to be modernized.
While hunting for these seeds, I got ripped off twice. There are half a dozen old ads for seeds, but they have been expired for years, and I promise you, I messaged them all anyway. I made a friend on their forum who got me in touch with someone who was willing to send me seeds, but even they have to hunt for them these days sense the origonal guy got banned. I planted them all except 6 that I gave to Sct with some of the weird guy pollen, before he got banned. Why he never showed a single picture of them growing is beyond me. I used the same male for my freakshow cross. Oh, and some people have reported using multileaf males for crosses and having the gene not reappear in F2s. I think that is because of the gene being slightly on a spectrum. By using the super weird male, and freakshow already having extra spikes sometimes, I got extras in F1, so I think I’ll be ok. Females are also reported to work ok in crosses.
The first leaves are webbed or partially webbed a lot of the time. Then they “break” into regular leaves for a few sets, then the extra spikes start appearing.
oddball male who decided not to break into regular leaves
The leaves get the most extra spikes while in hard veg. Once they start to bud, not so much.
Anyway, I’m going to try germinating again after this run with the extra dry time(last time was exactly a month after chop). I’m not expecting a miracle. If pre-cracking gets the rates up enough I’ll just make them super cheap and see what I gotta do with lemonadejoe to do that on the level. If they still sprout like crap, they’ll have to be free. I’ll be honest no matter what. I would just give them away anyway if I weren’t so broke. Cant even afford to run my bigger room right now. Child support warrant again. ect. I’ve been through worse though.
Here is a link to the huge thread about multileaf. Its a hard read. I used chrome because it has a built in translator, but our languages don’t translate well at all, and there is plenty of slang to make it even harder. I had found other threads by searching their forum and another forum on a deep dive, but I really don’t wanna do that again 
So most of the stuff about the guy who released it isn’t in that one, but they can be found if you look hard enough. I don’t mean to drag the guys name through the mud, but I also don’t want people believing false info that he peppered throughout that thread about his lil origin story or the genetics in it. He doesn’t know what’s in it.
https://olkpeace.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=92594&hilit=многолистка&sid=6b1375dc31c1cf1cf1b1bf0f7d17f828
Sorry about the humongous post. At least I think I covered everything for now. Thank you all for everything. My plants thank you too for all the wonderful tips I find on here. I’m a much better grower than I was when I first found the place.
If you ever mention this thread to someone and they cant find it, they have me on ignore from my drunkin stupor. That’s the worse part. The people who need the apology the most will never see it. All I can do is be better than that moving forward. Sorry one last time.
