Sometimes a dog just needs a moment.
My guy will sometimes get distracted while on leash. If I allow him 5 seconds to get the lay of the land he’s right back on the heel. If I didn’t give him that 5 seconds it would become a tug of war.
He’s a good obedient well trained guy but very independent too.
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Umm yes. Everything you said in your previous post has been a topic and words that came of Cesar Millans mouth.
What type of negative reinforcement does he use? You obviously don’t watch him
lol, I’m not going to argue with you. Clearly I don’t know anything about Cesar…
Just know, there is a HUGE difference in relationship and bond between a dog trained using solely Positive Reinforcement, versus a dog trained using Negative Reinforcement.
Obviously Cesar teaches sit down stay - those are basic commands. It’s HOW he teaches them that makes the difference.
The majority of Cesar’s work sets up the dog to fail only to correct the dog in each scenario he puts them in. Prime example of his style of training. Don’t take my word for it, a quick google search will shed a lot of light.
Do children learn better when you push them too hard and yell at them or smack them? Or do they learn and excel more when you build up their confidence and slowly increase their tolerance/difficulty to said exercise over time?
You are exactly right about the negative re-enforcement.
I can’t comment on Cesar since I’ve never watched his show, but at Schutzhund trials it was easy to see the difference between dogs trained with positive reinforcement versus the ones trained with compulsion. The former were eager and bouncing with anticipation to perform, while the latter had slouched posture and would appear anxious looking to avoid the next physical correction.
Finding your dog’s motivation, be it treats or praise or playtime, is the key. You then exploit that to elicit the behaviors you desire. Provide the reward when they do well, and withhold their prize when they don’t. They’ll eventually want to do whatever you ask, even if they don’t receive the reward each time.
Do you have kids? Do you just award them all the time? Or punish them too?
did you read that article or just post it? Cesar compares treats not working to sociopaths that should be in jail… And that was his comparison for the type of dogs that one should use negative reinforcement on?
Subsoil never said he had a reactive dog. He said he has a stubborn dog - which is normal for bully/terrier/mastiff breeds.
Barefoot blazed has clearly been around dogs at a higher level of training and you can tell from his response.
some of the best child athletes that grow up to become stars are also “trained” in positive reinforcement. They don’t get time outs or beatings. They get to train, they love to train - when they don’t do well in school, the “punishment” is no training. That’s positive reinforcement.
I didn’t bring up the negative reinforcement.
I’ve trained dogs using his videos with success.
You said you know nothing about Cesar millan so I made it real easy for you lol
Negative reinforcement isn’t a bad thing especially when you also use positive reinforcement
You said he hits dogs too
No kids here, but that’s a valid point. An obstinate dog that doesn’t respond to your commands sometimes needs a correction so they respect you as pack leader. We aren’t talking about abusing anyone - they would receive the same treatment in nature as part of their pack. The theory is that you want to provide only encouragement while they are young, but as they mature they can handle being corrected better and it won’t inhibit their enthusiasm for working with you. Corrections should be short and sharp, and preferably not come from your hand. A quick tug on the leash (with a prong collar), or a low level zap from an electric collar, accompanied by a verbal reinforcement from you, should assert your dominance as pack leader. It shouldn’t ever be emotional with anger…
Exactly! 
That’s all this dogs needs
Future advice - Take the advice of a famous dog trainer not some random dude on a grow site
I agree with that. All I was saying was that Cesar Milan uses primarily, Negative Reinforcement. (That’s what he is known for!) And for a dog that you got at 1 year of age that’s been neglected, it’s not the best method for training.
let’s not take advice from a tv show with a dude who uses negative reinforcement (jerking, hitting, restraining, as his primary tool of training.
You can call me random but you don’t know my history with dogs because I did not say so. Plus I never gave any particular advice on what he SHOULD do. Only provided food for though that would help him come to a decision on whether he should get a trainer or not.
…the only thing I did say was the he shouldn’t use negative reinforcement on a dog that’s been neglected it’s entire life. Especially one that’s not exhibiting any fear or aggression.
You’re saying all the dog needs is Negative Reinforcement, but you’ve never seen the dog and have no idea of the dog’s temperament. Who’s giving bad advice? 
Well the “man” got mad when I was using shock collars on the kids…
Just kidding! I wouldn’t do that to the kids. I use a mix of punishment and rewards. It seems to be working, my 5and 8 year olds already say please and thank yous without being reminded
Are you really getting mad over a dog training post?
I said WATCH HIS VIDEOS and that’s it
Then you started saying he hits dogs and only uses negative reinforcement
The reason for me suggesting his videos is mainly because I think his leash training would be good for the dog. And a lot of walks
But you’re focused on the way he trains AGGRESSIVE DOGS. No one was talking about that
You seemed to have taken offence to me saying Cesar Millan was not the best person to be watching for dog training.
I posted two other great YouTube channels.
Because he does?
if you had just said that, I would have said I completely agree with you.
But to someone not experienced in dog training, watching Cesar Millan for advice might push them in the wrong direction.
I’m out of likes, but appreciate the constructive conversation. I should note that my experience was with dogs bred for high drive to make them easier to train, and this was for a working dog sport. These shepherds knew 40 commands in German and English, and were trained for obedience, tracking, and “protection” work (akin to police dog training where they search and find the perp, then bite when necessary and more importantly stop biting when it is not required).
read and enjoy.
They’re called minor adjustments and it’s a training method for AGGRESSIVE DOGS who already show aggression. He corrects it with a quick poke to get the dogs attention off of whatever it’s targeting/focused on. I don’t want to teach you myself though 
That problem is… that’s his go to method for all dogs he trains. He only takes on severe cases, and a quick smack in the hind leg to stop a dog from attacking something looks great for tv. It’s not a permanent fix though and takes a lot, lot, lot of on-going training we don’t see on his tv show to actually get the dog reasonably trained.
Have you ever tried to redirect a red zoned dog? If you’re not in a certain position, it is very possible the dog will redirect to bite you. Thus, a perfect example why most people watching should not try to be Cesar Millan.
