Absolutely brother. I scored a pack od Bubbas Breathe. When I open it ill make the same offer to me mates. I can let a couple seeds go or some clones. Brb. 711 calls. Hehe. Im addicted to monster Java coffees please send me a link.
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Okay. But itâs still an S1 and not Pre-98 Bubba Kush, thats a clone only. 
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How do we end up at a clone only strain? I never understood that and I still donât get it now it drives me absolutely fucking nuts?
So now that I understand what exactly that is. It means for whatever reason. That plant only exists in female form. So selfing a clone will not give you that exact representation of that plant? So im doone buying any selfed seeds because even if a clone only strain is selfed its not worth even running?
I need to know for real. Ive bought a bunch of s1s. If thats not gonna give.me the exact representation of that clone then I dont wanna mess with it and for that matter im gonne leave a clone only strain alone. I could plant a Bubba seed and cut clones and lie.
I get tons of pms for clones from clone only strains. I do t even have the space to hold on to 20 mothers. It doesnt make sense to me. All MD weed has to be grown here. They couldnt fly clones in. If they couldnt import clones here. How did they get c/o?
The only clone only strain I have is the Skywalker. I guess thats as far as im gonna go. Ill keep that one around but I just donât have the space to keep motherâs itâs really disheartening just to know that the guys in legal states get it and our legislation just wonât let us get it it does mean it makes you fucking bitter.
Im gonna buy regular seeds and focus on things I can afford and enjoy. Im literally chasing ghosts. The calio s1s from csi another waste. I got like 20 packs alot of fems and selfs. Damn man. Why do people even but from dudes like Katsu if its not a real representation.
Time for an IG auction.
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Hey start leaving lists of clone only stuff. Im really freaking out. If these strains arent real everyone should boycott breeders who clame their reversals or selfs are that strain.
Ive wasted a shit ton of money. There should be a huge thread warning of stuff like this. I was lost coming home from prison. Lost on lights, strains everything. This is what itâs come to. A free for all for money. Im gonna find a good breeder I like and run stuff that isnt obtainable for me. Now I have to sick ot up like a man.
After this run all the bubba or shatever it is will be dead as well as the Copycat stuff.
Thanks for letting me know before I bought or grew another S or R. That sucks man. Who knows how many grand I blew? Fuck! Still whinning. Should I even grow fems?
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Yeah S1âs likely will not ever give you 100% representation of the plant it came from. Maybe if it was a super inbred line but then the regular seeds would be worth it then too. Hence things like the GG4 RIL, he took the clone and had some seeds, grew out the seeds and kept backcrossing to the clone only until eventually all the seeds always gave something pretty close to the clone.
IMO, any seed that came from that same batch of seeds the original âclone-onlyâ came from, likely has some plants in it that are just as good if not better than the clone-only. And the S1âs imo, arenât bad either, you will get some variation for sure no doubt, but at least one of the seeds should produce something pretty close to the clone-only. You just have all the female genes in the pool to work through.to find it. Might never find it. Who knows.
But anything you do find from an S1 still canât really be called the same name as the original clone-only as its not a clone. Still doesnât mean you cannot find some baller plants in there. It only means if you do you might not be able to get the $$ for it you could if it was the clone. And any breeding needs to be told itâs from an S1 and not the clone.
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Yeah Iâm just going to stay away from it it seems like a really big fucking ruse. Iâm not going to buy a pack of seeds that are " coulda, shoulda, wouldas". If Iâm going to pheno hunt through some seeds itâs not going to be through fucking selfed seeds lol.
Got you TG worked it try to stabalize and lock in good traits. Still its not GG because its not a clone.
Oh and whos got a âRealâ cut of Bubba here? Holler at me. Where should you get a real Bubba clone? And where should theyve gotten it and how do I know its real? Or for that matter any clone. How would you know its real?
Its disheartening. Ill just run old regulars for real. Im totally lost now as to whos a reputable breeder? Ill go sulk in my faux strain room. God Damnit dude I need a Win so bad. Literally I only have one strain thats real. That sucks.
So whos the best breeders in the World alive and pushing good gear? Top 3 breeders in the world? Now ill shut up. Ill let yall know when the auction comes up. Yall be safe. 
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I mean⌠unless youâre trying to sell seeds or herb to a dispensary or something, I donât see why it would really matter. If youâre breeding you just label it came from an S1 and not the clone-only. State dispensaries would have to do the same whether they say it or not since you canât legally ship cuts across state lines. They either do it under the radar or theyâre buying seeds and saying its the clone. Least for MD/IL and a few other states.
But yeah If itâs S1âd from the clone-only itâs still gonna be damn close to the original. Youâre not gonna get bap or something totally 100% different off a self from an âeliteâ clone. Hell you might find something even better than the âeliteâ clone-only. Sure some people WANT that clone cut for the same reason you bought those S1âs, to try and get the original, but that doesnât mean all the other seeds are trash or not real or something. If theyâre from that cut or original cross that gave that cut, should be good.
Also, whose to say whoever made it selected the best plant of the group anyways? And especially in worked lines, whose to say the choices they made are the oneâs you would? Maybe thereâs phenoâs in there you like better than what they chose⌠I donât think S1âs and such are worthless. I think theyâre all tools. I donât think the goal should be to find and hoard keeper cuts other people found, I think the goal should be to find and/or create something better ^^
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How did we get all the OG Kush phenos? Maybe you run the S1âs and you end up with a keeper pheno that becomes your very own clone only of that particular S1. Baltimore Bubba! Roll the genetic dice if it makes sense for you. Hit that two-two on a hard four! At worst you could try to recoup, but give a non-social media brotha a shot to bid. Maybe you could have âtestersâ for those S1âs and if a real motherfucker is found, you share the cut with that person, but retain control of any cuts beyond that.
Peace to you Lord Baltimore sir.
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Not that its a bad thing to run S1s, im just trying to distinguish it from the clone only. S1s are diffferent genetics, not a copy like a lot of people make it sound. Doesnât mean you have garbage, just that its a different âphenotypeâ if you will.
I asked because Iâve had real bubba and it works wonders for pain and insomnia. Something I would like in my stable. Though the Jabbaâs Stash (pre-98 bubba x snow lotus) I selected leans that way.
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I would like any fems you need to get rid of. Keep smilinâ
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S1 is a crapshoot youâll find like the movie Twins.
No guarantees on anything with these.
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You need to hit that Tropicana with some pollen and hunt through those. Once you start making your own seeds and growing them your gonna realize you can make seed thatâs just as good if not better than anything you can buy. Iâm dying to get some of Lucky dogâs chem lines especially the double Krush ,chem flyer or dog patch. Pick a male out of one of those and hit a couple of your favorite plants I guarantee you will find something nice in there. Itâs all about the parents.
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If you enjoy smoking them who gives a fuck not like your running a dispensary
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I got the sand out of my thing. I apologize for my attitude. Itâs been a realky really bad week. I cant let it get me salty at my friends. Yall are right. They give a guy like me a chance to even have a chance to taste it.
It sucks cuz I dont wanna wine. Its almost now like if your not in a certain âclassâ you canât play. Thats the way it is and I have to find a happy medium. I just see all these wicked clones and I ask where can I buy one/acquire/barter?
Unfortunately were not legal here and I have to be content within myself. Thays where it all starts. I have some awesome strains that are regulars and I shouldnt be complaining. Alot of good dudes donated amazing stuff to me.
So I apoligize first off. I just wanna play too. Ill keep at it. I have some 4 strains from Copy. The GMO and Plat OGKB. The Gelato is decent but not what say âVeranoâ grows. I will get that Mag Landrace they have. Ok. Ranting over.
Sorry yall. Im frustrateda touch.
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Iâm gonna load your mailbox down with cuts in like a month real/fake 𤡠I must say I was real sad to hear my blue dream ainât the real deal but Iâm still gonna smoke it so fuck it
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Thatâs exactly why I got that strain for real we had smoked it and itâs really good for pain and I knew something thats Indica leaning thatâs around 30% is what I like and I always enjoy that Bubba but I had no idea that it wasnât real pre 98 and if itâs not and there is a clone of it of course everybody wants to get it you know.
I understand that and I understand I canât have everything either so one day if it makes its way to me that would be cool if not Iâll just continue on plugging away.
I understand exactly what you mean about the s-1 and now youâre not guaranteed if theyâre going to come out perfect every time. Thanks for being easy with me. Have agood one bud.
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Noooo the BD? Iâm sorry Blue Dream didnât turn out to be a real cut.
I could have swore I heard is somebody actually paid $50,000 for a blue dream clone I guess if you have the money in the client base and youâre going to make that back off of it then itâs an investment but thatâs way out of my range.
Thatâs whatâs up dude you still got a few good ones you say that Mac is a real slow growing one?
Hopefully when you flower it out you find what youâre looking for because that one right there is really a really awesome strain
I would keep that MAC around but that ghost is amazing man Iâll keep that Ghost around forever for real I donât think my momâs even smoked that one yet. Hehe
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Yeah the blue dream is more blueberry leaning itâs actually very familiar to me itâs the blue dream that has been going around my area for years itâs definitely not bad just not hazy like the orginal one was to me
The ghost will stick around as long as I can hold it same thing with the Skywalker
The Obama will not be returning I donât like that it wonât stretch out any so compact really looking like a pain in the ass
I also took in a durban x triangle kush from same guy it seems kind of finicky but depending on how she smokes it may stick around Iâm down for dense Durban buds
The Mac was slow as shit in veg I put her into flower a couple days ago got 4 nice big clones of her rooted maybe sheâs a heavy yielder 𤡠I guess I should have read up on it a bit more lol
Of everything Iâve taken in the Skywalker is the best structure and vigor wise ghost has a similar structure but not half the branching
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yeah, I heard MAC1 is slow as shit in veg a couple of times. Iâve also seen some nice hand grenade sized buds from it. 
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