Yes and still don’t understand how the system works, their best observations come from additive situations from their view point. Yes the simple just a bunch of bases in the correct order that are able to exert their influence isn’t quite working anymore. You have cross-over, independent assortment (TE, mobile/non-mobile), epistasis, and environment. These processes can be seen better if the combos are there, if we could breed 1000 plants at a time that could make hunting better. Thialand might be a good place for person to look at but…
Not yelling at you brother just that you brought up more info that poses these questions and I am just trying to find out what the system is telling me since I can’t grow an acre of this and observe what is happening and that is frustrating as hell!
I’m seeing more a derivative of the punnet square personally, if you have structured a selection behind the blank numbers and letters, why not. But it’s always the same story buddy, you can’t avoid the necessity to adapt your hands and your decisions to the context of each selection.
At one point you have to choose if you will burn the seeds until a pattern fit your diagram, or if you burn the seeds to can create it with reliable datas ^^
This 5% we are talking about is initially a quite vague prediction of the number of valuable specimens per 100 seeds. And these specimens are not really known, mapped and documented, in being the main argument of the sales.
AaBb = AAbb + aaBB … this is not how a segregation operate at a genotype’s scale even with a single pairing. Specially in don’t knowing the traits linked with the letters.
Aa can be the water uptake and Bb can be the root mass volume by example, both structuring the spectrum of how the phenotype hunted is expressing. At one point of accuracy, you can’t ignore the fundamental datas given by the plants and their context.
But a true Aa in practice is way more vicious (or we will be all very wealthy breeders ^^), the “A” being most of the time a guessed homozygosity and the “a” the real linked trait that permit to produce the expression. And it can be from a latent trait, never expressed until you apply the right epigenetic factor.
It’s not really a theory at this state for my eyes, it’s guessing totally the type and the range of phenotypes without any germination. You can eventually streamline accurate datas collected with averages, afterward, to eventually build a model of selection. Not my poison, but it will start to say something i’m sure ^^
Totally. And it’s only the visible side of the iceberg.
By example even with 100 seeds or 10 seeds, there is no insurance that you will get a constant rate of the same pheno. More seeds increase the number of cards of the draw, not the content of the draw and its order.
The starting point can’t be dodged anyway, and it’s the knowledge of the line with enough rounds under the belt to have at least in mind the main subgroups of segregation as a starting point.
This dynamic is set by the inherent diversity of the seeds but not only, the round itself create a dynamic and a pressure. The way you’re hunting the F1 can have a drastic impact on your F5, and it’s the bias of most of elite cuts around : they are not initially selected to be a material generating a given phenotype occurrence, but most of the time a direct selection of the result itself.
Heterosis is not an incremental generator, it’s more the torque of the cement that glues your expressions in a given generation. I think you’re pushing too far the role of heterosis, but you’re not wrong on the side constraints. A strain can be build to only produce a required output while in F1, but it’s generally made with long term IBLs and BXs behind at this level.
The most known problematic in the scene being a given combo of terps and phenols unable to work together without heterosis on a genotype scale.
Humans. And it’s a strict, frank and teeth-broken opinion.
It’s not a manner to see the allelic game that i reject, if you keep in mind that it’s doomed to be extremely contextual by definition. Like “Pheno A vs Pheno B of the Genotype AB”, on specific mapped traits.
There is not really a suppression, viewed as a whole. But looping recombinations in this context.
If by example to keep the weed XYZ extra-potent you have to kill the most vigorous specimens … it’s a matter of methodology, experience and failures to realize that the initial breeding plans and predictions are pretty much fucked ^^
I sincerely don’t buy one second the “THH 5%”, i think she have way more to give in leaving what is putting all of us in the shit since decades now : a pure phenotypical approach of a grower just searching a motherplant to smoke. Instead reliable genetic materials to outperform the standard, on the long term.
But i agree on the form, less on your hate of the “IF” use ^^
I think that the shit ton of elite clones without any stabilized version is the best proof that’s it’s more than a theory, but more a factor of the battleground. 100 times more now than 30 years ago, but it’s a pure personal opinion for this last sentence.
That’s my vision of the thing specifically for the SD.
At least a feminized and an auto version of it sold for 2 digits ^^
You make my day ^^ Kind of “chicken or egg first ?”
Now it’s cannabis also, without enough focus (then experience on your lines) and methodology there is no real dead end actually to be competitive.
Spot on. But also to enter a line in a true preservation project
This simple strategy just destroy technically your previous extrapolations and considerations ^^
This religion around the hardy weinberg demonstration, i just don’t get it.
You have to play with piloted segregations for this, or you will just map the chaos in loop. Just an opinion, i will be the first to clap my hands at you if you’e able to narrow a genoptype to its “5%” without any selection or empiric mapping.
Good practical demonstration
Stellar ^^
Extreme epigenetics factors help for this btw, it’s less hard-coded that it look at first glance.
That’s the most frustrating with the THH, no one want do the job. And with this kind of line, the more projects the better for the inherent quality of the line as a whole.
Easy not ^^ But yes.
It’s a fantasy. If you don’t have any methodology and that you’re blind in front of the plants … you’re just hunting a motherplant to smoke on 1000 seeds.
Hunting 1000 seeds have to be justified anyway by previous researches, the cost have to be consolidated in an genetical asset with some sort of insurance.
I’ll try to go back and read that intro. I always wanted to know how to better understand breeding, but I decided a while back I’m too old to learn the super science of it at this point. I just grow a lot and observe.
I grew up growing bagseed exclusively. I never knew what I was growing, but I was sure getting a lot of nice smoke. I’ve also grown some crosses here, mostly volunteers, that were absolutely beautiful trees but the smoke sucked. I know it was 2 strains from my yard, from good genetics, which would make you think you’d get a good finished product, but no, not always.
Realtalk 9/10 easily! Especially if you are used to old school fire that goes for hours and hours. A lot of new stuff will kick your ass! And give u sweats…. For 15-35 mins…. Then u gotta blaze again imo has lots to do with it when the market decided it was the ultimate and bread it with everything under the sun. There’s obvious exceptions but few and far between and once you start to see/identify the correlations it makes total sense.
I started this thread mostly to archive vic high’s article, who is one of the first to have a grasp on what was actually happening in his room. The text is a bit outdated but it did spark conversation.
Breeding or rather understanding breeding became an obsession, but the deeper I went, the less results I got lol.
I think knowing the basics of inheritance is important, beyond that, each decide how much time and effort they want to invest in it.
I’d simplify breeding like this:
There are 2 kinds of traits, simple inherited and complex inherited.
simple inherited traits are controlled by 1 gene and follow mendalian laws, like color, the auto trait, cannabinoid ratios, plant structure, seed size etc.
These are easily bred in or out in a couple generations
Complex traits are flavor, aroma, high, and the like, controlled by 4-8 genes, and the number of combinaisons is mind boggling. In this case you’re f**** and rely on luck.
Thanks man, I’m starting to shuck the skunk this weekend.
Back is good, I returned to work already and can say with confidence it’s as good as new. Tested it yesterday lol. Hauled a 100 sheets of 3/4 plywood from the curb to the second floor and started to install the subfloor.
Just didn’t really have a chance to sit down and give this and honest shot lately. Life’s been kicking me in the balls from the back in recent months, normalcy should return soon enough
Yeah it’s a lot more complicated than Mendel’s punnets.
You don’t need an acre, it would be nice in an ideal world but we are where we are today and the vast bulk of it hasn’t been made using acres of breeding stock. The bigger issue imho is that the traits of interest need to be identified in as granular detail as possible and in a way that can be measured. This sounds simple enough but is non trivial and why most of use rely a lot on intuition, luck and experience with abandoned projects and failures a part of the process. A stable test variety is a very useful tool for getting some idea of trait heritability and combining abilities etc.
I searched your name in a different context @Mithridate. and I find this thread. This post in particular. Great thoughts. Years ago I met a old guy. Likely 10 years younger than I am now. He watched me get my shorts in a wad over dumb stuff. Finally he calls me aside. “Quit pole vaulting over mouse shit. All you have to do is pick your feet up and walk.”
Everything doesn’t have to be a big deal. Coincidence? I just started some BOG Sour Strawberry a couple days ago, courtesy of our friend @TopShelfTrees1 .
Good on @TopShelfTrees1 for a lot more than that. His friendship not related to weed and growing is a lot more important to me. We clicked right off, let’s put it that way.
oooo looks like this one could be 2-2.5% yield! I like ones that look more like this. If I can count the trichomes without taking off my socks, it’s not good.
