Intuition had me reading that 262 loses a half of 1% per t.
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Sam and the IHA set the number probably off these maths of 1000-2000 (dioecious/monoecious) to insure a gene frequency rarity capture of one half of 1%. If the frequency ratio is 10 times that well do the maths.
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And again this male on this corner has about zero chance of pollinating the female on the opposite corner of the plot. You can fudge the maths big time to insure that does in fact happen.
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I think there are limits with the numbers for at 1000-2000 there might be more mutations that would possibly negate anymore loss; but still looking at this and getting more comfortable with the application and limits of these equations. Finding that Mendel might have gotten lucky in that he had peas and the appearance of cross over was not fully recognized due to the number of chromosomes involved. So it was a lucky start to present the simple and straightforward approach that ultimately led to drosophila and the recognition of cross over due the the linkage on same chromosome to produce the AB and ab phenotypes but then recognizing something else was going on also. Get the
This is where both the Mendel and chromosome theory were both incomplete for these small outliers were the recognition of the phenomenon called cross over.
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(2+2)/(48+48+2+2) = 4/100. 4% cross over this is tightly linked or close linkage
This example is where it broke from the expectation of 1:1:1:1
Obviously it is different for (15+15)/(35+35+15+15) = 30% thus higher cross over and linkage is further apart and has delineated the chromosome map size or cMorgans.
You can run into single, double, and triple cross over possibilities. Thus this is where the magic happens.
Epistasis: Thanks will look @TomHill
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I wonder if bulking pollen from males that are separated from females and then running through big air fan would distribute it evenly over the females. Wonder if 4 weeks into females flowering would produce enough high quality seeds?
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Collection is important you need be able to eyeball a gram of powder tehee, as you collect 1by1. You should always collect seperately and blow it on, it’s the biggest mathematical advantage available.
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Will do! 
@TomHill
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0.001908396946565 Or 0.2 % in theory yes!
1/(2*262) = 0.002
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That is totally lame man. Never ever be hung up on the maths. Zoom out, and look at shit from the window in the sky.
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I could have that conversation with you if I wanted but it is a useless conversation. An absolute wheel spin. It’s like the fort time gmt found springer link.
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I see it and makes sense in the fact that it gives a map to what you as a grower needs to shoot for. Open pollination is different and one that needs expansion and understanding. I think if people don’t want to do the math so be it and just need to know a method of how to properly do it.
Actually MIT; very good botany department 
. You nerdlingers generated these models, just decided to see how your math is applied to plants. Still picking this stuff up and getting an understanding of what I am looking at when reading about linkage and gene bands made up of all the alleles. Learning about the bi-valent complexes and how one gene complex can either be dominant or recessive depending on the parental lines in question. How can a person not be intrigued by something that verges on magic for lack of a better adjective.
This is very interesting stuff and what’s the harm?
Some complex stuff but the data doesn’t lie. Experience is best teacher and knowledge can increase the learning curve by knowing what to look at and move to next step.
I know what you are getting at and I know what I am getting at. All you botanist had a reason for all this and I am seeing why.
Need maps for this trip easy to get lost but also plow into new territory. Heard the devil is in the details.
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You want to kill stuff with your dogs right. I
Mean let’s be honest.
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touché,
“A grain in the balance will determine which individual shall live and which shall die, – which variety of species shall increase in number, and which shall decrease, or finally become extinct.”
Yeah you can do all the math in the world but you could pop 2000 beans and never see a particular cultivar, and then all your math is moot… It’s in the same way someone can pop an entire pack and get nothing but males, or vice versa. You could pop two beans and have all the genes for the whole line in just those two plants if things lined up correctly. Sometimes you have to “just cross the damn plants” and find out. The math is a good tool to help you discern things, but the reality can be entirely different.
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Hopefully I can make this sound reasonable. Unless you are able to go thru each and every bean made thru your breeding you’ll see the answers for what they truly are. When you divide your harvest you may be parting with your desired goals. When we purchase packs it’s breeder choice. Meaning if you get a larger amount of males that’s from separation. Breeders don’t have the ability to sort according to sex let alone genotypes expression. To accurately describe what you have bred, you definitely need every bean made, or else you are leaving parts untested. If you are able to quantify your results then restart for desired results then you can begin the true breeding program.
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Man, i missed a bunch!
I thought it was all about transgressive segregation and a packed cemetery 
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When two people hold a conversation WAAAAY above your head. 
You were talking about crossovers somewhere I can’t find it. That was the best shit I read in a long time. Mark this day. I will read what you have to say from this point on.
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You are correct, Mendel had no clue about crossovers nor do most folk. What we are basically talking about people is AA somehow giving genotype aa. It happens.
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I need to throw credit to @Mithridate for the info highlighted in yellow thank you for the data and direction and the website for additive qualities and such. You guys really know your stuff hehe
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