ok welcome to the OG first of all, its sad to see your plants but its ok, as someone pointed out we have all been there one way or another.
regarding the sexing and leaf fingers, as said above that is total misinformation, the number of leaves is usually dependant on the age and the plants in their early stages will have less ie 3-5 finfered leaves but as the plant matures they will become 5-7 fingers per leaf and in no way determine sex of the plant.
from seed you will need realistically a MINIMUM of 4 weeks vegative growth to ensure the plant is mature enough to flower. in this time the leaves will go from 2-3-5 fingers and the branching will go from symmetrical and opposite to staggered and alternative and also you MAY at this point start seeing preflowers which will help determine the sex of the plant, this is in the shape of a couple of tiny whispy white hairs at the base of the branches where the branch meets the stem.
you need to know why and how you fried your previous grow to make sure you dont repeat but it looks to me like either you simply didnt water them or you watered them and gave them nute burn and fried them, if the leaves feel crispy and brown its nutrient related and if they are soft and furry its probably no water that killed them.
i apologise if im wrong but it seems like you perhaps struggle a little so just keep it simple,
people are telling you NOT TO GROW YOHR BAGSEED…the simple reason is there are too many unknown variables which will lead to an unsuccesful grow or a waste of time and resources and potential risk for nothing mwhereby if you go from feminised seeds from a reputable breeder you are immediately going to be off to a better start and have a MUCH higher chance of a successful grow which is all we ALL want to see and will help in any way we can.
good luck my friend and you WILL get there
It could have been a combination of both, but I definitely stopped watering them 3 months ago. Unfortunately, I was not expecting the curve ball life threw at me, so I did not prepared an alternative way for them to be cared for.
If the reason for not growing bagseed is because it might be unsuccessful, then I’m definitely going to keep trying to grow these guys. I can’t afford to purchase seeds from a breeder right now anyway, and practice is still practice. If I keep trying with these guys, then by the time I can afford fem seeds from a breeder, I’ll already have the lights, growing medium, nutrients, and some practice under my belt. It’s better than sitting around doing nothing.
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I really appreciate all the advice! I love how much I’ve learned since I’ve come here. Thank you!
well if nothing else you are right about practice although as far as im aware its rarely free to grow weed and any money invested in an unsuccesful grow is ultimately wasted money and you can purchase feminised seeds for very little so any potential cost would be offset by the fact you will be much more likely to grow succesfully but if you wont take advice then theres little i can say,
if you insist on ‘practicing’ with bagseed then i would strongly suggest you learn the difference between female flowers and five fingered leaves as a means to grow. while starting from the bottom is not a bad thing and nobody knows it all, to present the plants you have to the forum But dismiss the advice that will correct these issues starting from the absolute ground up then im sorry i cant help you, you can lead a horse to water…good luck with your endeavours
you can also look to build a system that requires almost no maintenance so if those curveballs are thrown your way again you can hit a homer anyway, please dont think my last post was rude as i certainly didnt mean for it to come across that way and i totally understand that certainly from what it seems to me you have extremely limited knowledge as to what it takes to successfully grow cannabis but thats fine cos none of us was born with it and we all had to learn and my friend you are def in the right place for that, as i said good luck and if u ever need any help pm me and ill do my best to help
I’ve looked around at a couple seed breeders that have been recommended on this site. The cheapest seeds I found were for ~$30-$35 plus another $40 to do a wire transfer to the cheaper places that are stationed abroad. Any other cost, regardless if I’m using it with bagseed or bought seeds, would be exactly the same and significantly less in total than just the seeds from a breeder. I don’t believe practicing with my bagseeds is a bad idea. I would rather kill these seeds than seeds that I paid ~$70 and had to wait a few weeks before receiving. I’ve definitely learned how to identify females and males as you can obviously see from the friendly users who’ve already helped me a great deal. While originally researching I read that myth, and I asked here on this forum for a reason. I haven’t dismissed any advice given to me on this forum. I even listened to you. You said the reason I shouldn’t plant them is because they may be unsuccessful to grow (and by the way, there have been other users who told me they started their growing with bagseed as well), but if the only reason I shouldn’t is because you think it will be unsuccessful, then I definitely should! I want the practice! I would prefer to kill these than seeds I bought. I’ll need to get used to taking care of a different kind of plant than I’m used to before I start wasting money, and killing seedings I actually care about.
You did come off extremely rude and belittling, unlike what I’ve encounter on this forum so far. To comment on a post about planting bagseeds, but then give advice to not plant bagseed, then I’m sorry, I can’t help you.
I came here to learn a new skill and ask for help. Not to be told to give up until I can buy different seeds.
well if i came off extremely rude i can only apologise, look im not posting to waste my time or belittle or be rude to a random person on the internet and am in my own way only trying to help you, the reason i said what i said has perhaps been misinterpreted,
imnot saying for one second some excellent weed cannot be grown from bagseed at all,i mentioned being unsucessful and what i mean (and said) is simply that there are so many variables in bagseed that for a novice grower it will invariably end in either male plants that will then cross pollinate or worse still be all male and you have wasted a month minimum, or you grow females and find the weed is substandard and low yielding and shit (even if it came from a nice bag it dont mean you will grow nice weed with it unfortunately) also genetic variation if you are growing different seeds from different bags, all will cause issues and make the entire operation and work a complete waste of time…i always say that if you are going to grow weed then why would you waste time and effort with substandard weed or return of effort just to ‘practise’?? it makes no sense to me whatsoever but more power to you my friend in which case i apologise again and will refrain from posting on your threads again, good luck in your future endeavours
How do I unlike this? I liked this because you said you’d leave me alone. And then you came back and edited it further. Was, “i always say that if you are going to grow weed then why would you waste time and effort with substandard weed or return of effort just to ‘practise’?? it makes no sense to me whatsoever” really necessary? Did you really come back to look down on me for wanting practice again when you could have just left it where it was? I would like to unlike this now that you’ve only come back just to make a fool out of me for thinking that you were going to actually leave me alone.
Hi @CarissaTheEvil!
Welcome to overgrow. New folks are always welcome and there’s lots of knowledgeable folks around here eager to see you and your plants grow. It’s often hard to navigate all the available info but don’t lose heart and keep on trying. I have some seeds I can share with you if you’d like to try them.
Edit: I get frustrated sometimes with texting because so many parts of actual conversation are missing and it’s hard to accurately determine the point someone’s trying to get across. Maybe that’s the case with communication here sometimes
There might be some misunderstanding what was being said and the reason it was brought up. There is a couple of camps of thinking to growing seeds, particularly if you are trying it for the first time.
The first is the worry that something might go wrong and you’d rather not loose the cost of what can be expensive seeds and would rather risk a failure with little expense. And, in some cases, it may be more difficult to grow seeds of unknown origin and quality.
The other train of thought is that because the time to grow out a plant to full maturity is significant, try to obtain known/quality strains with fresh seeds that you’ll have a higher chance of success right from the start. If you are successful, the time and energy spent is worth the expense.
There is nothing wrong with either train of thoughts. I think some of the reasoning may have been lost in the textual nature of forum posts and it wasn’t meant to sound the way it may have been read. Best wishes on a successful run.
Just skimming through, try lindaseeds.com for cheap seeds. They have their own brand under “cheap seeds” (or somthing similar) theres some good deals to be had for people on a budget!
If I could have done anything differently, it would have been to pay more attention to my environment.
I also failed to identify a male early my first time around which led to some herm issues. Started with 5 and ended with two. Same bag seeds but one turned out purple and one turned out normal.
It was all a learning experience though.
If you are looking for seeds, I can vouch for Greybeard even though there have been mixed reviews over the years. I placed an order last Thursday and had my seeds on Saturday. Even threw in a couple of freebies.
if we weren’t in the worldwide health situation we are in right now I would send you some fems from Europe but I don’t think they’d get to you right now
good luck with your “practise grow”
I’m sure you will learn alot and don’t ever stop asking questions and reading
Who’s being rude?
The members who are trying to help you… or is it you that’s being rude?
You came here for help, but have pretty much disregarded any help from any member so far.
A lot of us already know how to grow cannabis and would like nothing more than to help you learn to grow it yourself, but you have to be able to listen to what is said to you and stop being so defensive.
No one here is going to give you bad information. We ALL started at the same point you’re at now… and I’d say a good majority also started with bagseed. I know I did.
In this day and age, you new growers have it easy. You have information at your fingertips with the Internet, grow forums and everything cannabis.
When I started growing cannabis in 1980 there was none of that! Everything was trial and error. There was no Internet, no grow forums and cannabis was very illegal globally.
What I would have given then to have someone take my hand and show me what to do… how to properly grow this plant from start to finish… that would have been awesome!
You have an opportunity to learn from some of the best growers the world has to offer. Will you be up to the challenge?
I Initially attempted to grow cannabis in 1970.
Back then there was no helpful information available anywhere to help me figure it out.
Libraries did not have any books. There was no interweb chock-full of valuable advice.
I struggled with obtaining smokable flowers from the bag seed available in those days.
I knew nothing about growing anything. I did not know any successful growers, and did not want to ask around for fear of legal reprisal. Severe penalties awaited if I were to be caught.
I continued my mostly failed efforts regardless.
And then I found a book (in 1974) in a local head shop, by Mel Frank and Ed Rosenthal which provided me with the information that I needed to grow some nice smokable and sufficiently potent flowers
I had absolutely no idea that I could grow indoors. Eureka!
New growers nowadays can get help so much easier, and are quite fortunate indeed.
Indoor growing back then was not even close to what it is now!
And you’re right, the library was no help and books on the subject were dismal at best. “How to grow Marijuana” by Mel & Ed was the first how-to-grow book ever released and I eagerly read it cover to cover many times over!
Grow lights weren’t a “thing” quite yet and we had to resort to other lighting options to get the job done.
I had already begun to learn a fairly extensive knowledge of plants, and how to grow them, by the time I started growing cannabis. Thanks to our huge family garden and the plants/trees that covered our property. I used the plant experience that I had gained since I was a little one to help me figure out how to grow cannabis. It wasn’t easy at first, but it got easier with each consecutive grow and I learned a lot about this plant while doing it!
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